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From Kinder Eggs To TikTok Bans In Everyday Life
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A book about censorship gets censored, a chocolate egg gets treated like contraband, and a pair of glasses becomes a privacy nightmare. We sit down as Bonus Dad and Bonus Daughter and pull at the thread behind “banned” things, because once you start looking, you realise bans are rarely just about safety. They’re about fear, politics, reputation, moral panic, and who gets to decide what everyone else is allowed to read, watch, eat, play, or share.
We jump from Orwell’s 1984 to the long-running Kinder Egg ban in the United States, then into films that triggered international backlash like The Interview. From there we get into banned songs and the double standards around sexual lyrics, the weirdness of people panicking over words they cannot even understand, and why some cultures get labelled as “dangerous” while others are treated as normal. We also take a detour through Eurovision, because even that ends up colliding with the idea of what lyrics are “acceptable”.
The second half turns towards modern life: Google Glasses and the problem of recording without consent, body cams as both evidence and deterrent, TikTok bans and data privacy concerns, plus Pokemon Go restrictions when play spills into real-world security zones. We finish with the tough calls, like foie gras bans rooted in animal welfare, and the arguments around violent media such as A Clockwork Orange and the video game Manhunt.
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Welcome And The Banned Things List
SPEAKER_00Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad.
SPEAKER_04Bonus Daughter, a special father-daughter podcast with me, Hannah.
SPEAKER_00And me, Davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world.
SPEAKER_04Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view. And influences throughout the decades. Or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Hello and welcome to a very special podcast episode by Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. We're going to talk today about banned things. Yes. Things that have been banned.
SPEAKER_00Yes, not banned as a music band. But things that haven't been talking about. Things that haven't been banned for a reason. Yes. And why they have been banned.
SPEAKER_04Yes. This is a blind react from me. Have not looked at the script.
SPEAKER_00It is a complete blind react from you. And I've got two things on here actually that we spoke about earlier in the previous podcast. So I'm going to gloss over the first one quite quickly because I forgot that I'd actually written this one in here.
1984 And The Irony Of Censorship
SPEAKER_00But the first one is a book.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00And it is was 1984, was banned at one point. And it was banned in various countries and schools because of its political themes, sexual content, and criticism of author authoritarian governments. But when you actually look at it, so you've got a book that is about censorship was being censored.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00What do you think about that?
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Pretty much speaks for itself, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00It does, doesn't it? Um like the irony of that.
SPEAKER_04I I don't I I understand protecting it from young minds.
SPEAKER_00I don't. I d disagree.
SPEAKER_04I think depending on how bad the adult themes were in it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I suppose there is a couple of sexual scenes in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think that's a little inappropriate.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04But yeah, it's it's not it's not giving the right message.
SPEAKER_00It it was I mean, but the book is basically saying, like I said in the previous episode, it was a warning. It was this this is if we don't do something about this is how we could end up. And I'm not joking, when you actually look at the way the world is now, there's a lot of stuff that Orwell wrote that you're like actually He predicted the future. He hit the nail on the bloody head.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00He hit the nail on the head with a lot of things. So, but yeah, we'll we'll just do that one quickly because we did discuss 1984 quite at quite length in the previous episode. But the next one, and this was something that was banned in the United States for years, because American law prohibited non-edible objects inside food products due to choking concerns.
Kinder Eggs And Choking Panic
SPEAKER_04So the kinder egg.
SPEAKER_00The kinder egg. Go on, Hannah. I know you want to say something.
SPEAKER_04I want to say, why should one person being an idiot ruin it for the rest of us? It's a frickin' kind. I mean, I mean, they're a large part of my childhood. They're actually a large part of my adulthood. I will stick up my hand and say, I've had a few kinder eggs in this year. Yeah. This year. I'm almost 30.
SPEAKER_00I love a kinder doob.
SPEAKER_04I love a kind egg. The chocolate's so good and I want that little toy.
SPEAKER_00Kinder doobie.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they're great.
SPEAKER_00Um But so I mean, I'd I'd love to I should have looked at some stats on this really.
SPEAKER_04How many people have choked via like is that does that mean they're also taking gifts out of cereal packers?
SPEAKER_00Actually, actually, I will just say something. They are quite dangerous. Oh, I've I've I did something with the kinder egg once, which was I nearly swallowed because you know that you know you get the kindergarten, right? I'm aware. Yeah, and you break it open and you've got the the lovely milk chocolate on the outside. And then you've got the white chocolate in the middle. Yeah. Yes. How did you eat the kinder egg? Do you break into it or did you give it one? Give it one.
SPEAKER_04My mouth's not big enough to give it one. So I I I go for a little gentle up the top and then and then shake it out, and then and then I eat the rest of the chocolate and then I build my fries.
SPEAKER_00Build your toy. Yeah. So what did the toys come in?
SPEAKER_04Uh a plastic egg-shaped nugget.
SPEAKER_00Like a thing that you have to pull apart.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. You press them now.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And they're very they used to be quite difficult to pull apart.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_00So I used to pop them in my mouth and and I remember once it did shot the big So you're the reason it's banned?
SPEAKER_04Did you go to hospital? No, no, no.
SPEAKER_00It just but it just shot into my mouth. It didn't go down my foot, it just shot into my mouth, and I was like, oh, could have called that.
SPEAKER_04They're actually not like that anymore. They're connected now, so you can't do that.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_04They're like um yeah, they're not like two parts that come away. Yeah. They've got like a little hinge now. Right. You can't do that anymore.
SPEAKER_00Oh, okay. Okay.
SPEAKER_04Fear not.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, kindergarten in America. So look at the the irony of that. What do you mean the irony? Of things that aren't banned in America because guns are okay, but those kindergarts lethal.
SPEAKER_04Lethal. Exactly.
SPEAKER_00Let's not go into the gun debate. But just that was I brought it up. I brought it up, but I'm not going to go into it because that's a whole other thing. But the the fact that yeah, that kind. Yeah. And we we were eating them for decades. But I would love to definitely see what the stats were on that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. I bet it was just two. No, just like can't have fun.
SPEAKER_00Was it anybody or was it just the perception?
SPEAKER_04Perhaps. Uh I mean, I mean, they've they've been putting stuff in cereal for a while, but then you normally pour out the cereal and it drops into the bowl, the gift.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Or toy or whatever it is.
SPEAKER_00Um actually, that's a good point. I'm pretty sure that I've seen American shows and American scenes where the toy was in the cereal.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, which is weird because for us it was either laying on top or just in the box.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04It was never in the cereal.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_04Was it? I don't know. I don't ever remember pouring out my cereal and then, oh shit, a toy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You used to get toys and happy meals as well, didn't you? You still get toys and happy meals.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. You get either a toy or a book.
SPEAKER_00Did you you got toothless once, didn't you, in a happy meal?
SPEAKER_04I've got loads of things over the years.
SPEAKER_00I can't, I couldn't possibly um What sort of things did you use some 'cause I'm just trying to think now because I I remember, you know, you've got your kinder egg, you've got the the thing inside, but I can't actually remember many of the toys that you actually had.
SPEAKER_04They're mostly like animals or their themes. So for example, like they'd have a Mario time and then you'd have like loads of Mario characters.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And then they'd come away from that and they'd be like dinosaurs, and then they'd all be dinosaurs, or like they're always like a theme of some sort.
SPEAKER_00They're animals at the moment. Little monkey, which you used to like on a hanging thing, it used to Oh yeah, yeah, something like that.
SPEAKER_04The little frogs as well that they jump. They normally do something as well. Like the toy is not just a toy. Um, like recently I got an Easter one and it was it had like a little chick inside, which was quite cute. Yeah, I mean they just vary and sometimes they're themed.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
The Interview And Political Blowback
SPEAKER_00I don't know if you've seen this next film, but it was banned in it was pulled for many cinemas uh after threats linked to North Korea over the film's assassination plot. Is this film called?
SPEAKER_04Is it the interview?
SPEAKER_00It's the interview, yeah. Seth Rogan and James Franco.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I I don't think that that film was made for someone like me.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_04I don't understand the nuance.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And unfortunately, I'm not one of these people that find it funny. I don't find it offensive either. I just don't I just don't see the humour in it. No. I I I I I just can't, yeah. James Franco and and Seth Rogan just yeah, doing you quite like Seth Rogan though, don't you? I do really like Seth Rogan. I'd like James Franco as well, I guess, but I just it's just not my type of humour on the film. Um but I can understand why it was banned.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was banned and pulled from many cinemas.
SPEAKER_04For many reasons, yeah. And that's quite a recent one as well.
SPEAKER_00It is.
SPEAKER_04How what when was that?
SPEAKER_00Um I don't know. If you've got your laptop or your phone, you'll have to have a little Google on that one.
SPEAKER_04What was it? The interview.
SPEAKER_00The in the film, yeah, the film was called the interview.
SPEAKER_04I've seen it recently.
SPEAKER_00And it was, it was about the guys going over to North Korea to interview the Kim Jong-un. Well, it wasn't.
SPEAKER_042014.
SPEAKER_002014. I can't even remember if it was even Kim Jong-un or if they just said it was the leader of North Korea. I don't I can't remember if they gave him a name.
SPEAKER_04I feel like they called him Kim. Did they not say that?
SPEAKER_00Did they kill him Kim? It might have done. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, but you but you've you have seen it. Yeah, yeah, I've seen it recently. Yeah, it's just not my thing. Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_04Sorry.
SPEAKER_00Do you did you find it interesting at all?
SPEAKER_04I just it's just I don't really like satire things. I've never really enjoyed satire. Even I mean even the classics like Black Adder and things like that, they're just not my thing. That's just not my type of thing.
SPEAKER_00Did you did you like Team America?
SPEAKER_04No. Again, see, that's one of the other ones. I just it's just not my thing.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I'm sorry. It's I I I understand why people find it funny. I just don't I'm not offended by it either. I just I just it's just not my thing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Sorry.
Banned Songs And Moral Double Standards
SPEAKER_00Um I looked at a couple of I cut at a couple of songs that were banned.
SPEAKER_03Songs?
SPEAKER_00Songs that were banned.
SPEAKER_03Oh my.
SPEAKER_00No, because the first thing that first song that popped into my head as being banned was a song um by Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Relax.
SPEAKER_02Don't do it. I don't know, lyrics. What are the lyrics?
SPEAKER_00Ah, that's part of the reason why it was banned.
SPEAKER_04Why were they banned?
SPEAKER_00When you gotta suck her to it. Relax, don't do it when you want to sucker to it. Suck.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I so because he was insinuating oral sexual. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Is it the fact that it was oral sex or gay oral sex?
SPEAKER_00Exactly.
SPEAKER_04See, that that's where I draw the line because there can be you can have uh many straight men and straight women uh singing about oral sex as much as the cows come home, but as soon as there's any like homosexual connotation, nah that's banned. Yeah. It's it's oh it's it annoys me so much.
SPEAKER_00It was banned in the 80s for years.
SPEAKER_04But you've got Nicki Minaj, My Anaconda don't.
SPEAKER_00This is the thing.
SPEAKER_04Like, I don't get it. Yeah. I don't get it. I've never understood this.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Other than people just hating the gays as as per. Like, it just really pisses me off.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But yeah, it was but it was banned in the 80s. It was yeah, banned from it was pulled from uh radio shows. But I mean, even when you think when you think in in other songs, so let's take let's uh The Shaman, band called The Shaman, Ebonese are good, right? So they they they released that song, it went, it went quite viral. It was played in a lot of clubs in the 90s, and the choruses E's are good, ease are good, uh, easebonese are good, but they put the ebony's a good, but ease are good, e's are good.
SPEAKER_04Oh, ease as in ease are good, exactly.
SPEAKER_00Got any mandi? Sorted. It's all in the song, and it's it's in there, but the general public were completely clueless. Yeah, completely clueless, and I mean, even like pulp, sorted freeze and whiz, and and then like independent love song as well. Yeah, you know, the connotations inside independent love song. I just I'll show you how to take me. Go down, go down, like you know, jerk it out the Caesars, jerk it out the Caesars, yeah. I mean the Bloodhound Gang. There's so many baby ain't nothing but mammal, so let's do it like they do on the Discovery channel. Getting horny now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00It's like yeah, but but relax got banned.
SPEAKER_04Just it's it's got banned. I think it is uh annoyingly, it's the homosexual connotations of that, but they'll let any other uh any other thing slide.
SPEAKER_00But that wasn't that actually wasn't the song that I chose bizarrely in. Oh, yeah. That was the one that was gonna, but interestingly enough, we spoke about it. But there, you know, Loué Lué. Whoa no, you must be a lue. It was banned. Why? Because authorities believed that the lyrics were obscene, leading to investigations and radio bans, even though nobody could understand what the words were. So they couldn't understand it.
SPEAKER_04It was the threat of not knowing what they were. It's the fear of the unknown.
SPEAKER_00It was the fear of the unknown, and the FBI actually spent actually investigated it.
SPEAKER_04And they just ask the people that freaking wrote it. What does this mean? Oh, do you know what? We took a load of drugs and we just thought it was a funny sound. Yeah. Cleared up.
SPEAKER_00Oh, we've got a mate.
SPEAKER_04There you go, I just saved you a bunch of money on the FBI.
SPEAKER_00We've got a mate called Louie.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like, stupid. Yeah, but again, it's the same people not understanding it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I mean that's that's when I go back to when I mentioned about the satanic panic.
SPEAKER_04Satanic panic.
SPEAKER_00And not understanding DD. And you know, it was banned because people thought we were playing people were messing around with the occult. Sort it out.
SPEAKER_04It's just a game. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_00Would somebody think of the children?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like relax.
Eurovision Ban Talk And TV Chaos
SPEAKER_02Don't do it.
SPEAKER_00This next one.
SPEAKER_02Yo.
SPEAKER_00I can actually understand why they were banned, and this is quite an interesting debate. Oh my. So I'm gonna get your.
SPEAKER_03Oh my gosh, I'm really tangled. Oh no.
SPEAKER_00Um, but the interesting thing, I'll just say this one is I just wanted to say that this is also a blind react episode from you. I didn't mention that at the beginning.
SPEAKER_04Oh.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because your laptop's up there.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I swear I said that the day. Did you say I was blind react?
SPEAKER_00Oh can't know.
SPEAKER_04Oh, anyway.
SPEAKER_00Um we are on blind react. We are on episode three.
SPEAKER_04I actually feel really tired today. I I watched Eurovision last night. How did you how did that go? Bulgaria won, thank god. Very close call.
SPEAKER_00Where did we come?
SPEAKER_04Where did you come from?
SPEAKER_00We were last, weren't we?
SPEAKER_04Guess how many points we got?
SPEAKER_00Nil point. Nope. No, how many? One. Was that from Ireland?
SPEAKER_03I actually can't remember who the one. Gave us a point. I don't think Ireland did actually. They don't really like it. No one likes us.
SPEAKER_04Spain pulled out because Israel's taking part.
SPEAKER_00Okay, fair enough. Well, not fair enough, but see, yeah.
SPEAKER_04And Israel came second.
SPEAKER_00Israel came second. Okay.
SPEAKER_04We were bitten nail biting a little bit last time. Really? Yeah, yeah. We're like, oh dear. Okay, so they can't host, obviously. So where's that gonna go? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Well it would have gone to the person who was second.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, which would have been Bulgarian.
SPEAKER_00Which is what happened with Ukraine and us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, is Australia still in it?
SPEAKER_04Yes, isn't it? They did so well as well. They're act as well good, yeah.
SPEAKER_00What was your favourite? What was your favourite? Was there any any one stand there?
SPEAKER_04Uh everyone in the house liked Moldova, which is basically some chap going, Viva Moldova, like I'm like all the way through. I personally, I really liked Croatia.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_04Basically was four female part harmony. Right. All dressed as like witchy nuns. So cool.
SPEAKER_00Oh, awesome. Witchy nuns.
SPEAKER_04Witchy nuns.
SPEAKER_00Sorry, I can't get that image in my head.
SPEAKER_04Pagan nuns.
SPEAKER_00Oh, right, okay. Sorry, I I went traditional Catholic kind of nun, but then we put witches in there as well. I can't see it. Sorry, I should have pagan nuns. Right, okay.
SPEAKER_04That was pretty good. Enjoyed that.
SPEAKER_00Was Graham on form?
SPEAKER_04Graham was on form, yes.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04He he just kept saying how long it was. I kept it he mentioned it quite a few times, like, get on with it. Like, especially when they do the jerry votes, like uh, I can't think of a country at the moment off the top of my head, Azerbaijan, and then they just have this little like, oh, we love the world and we did everything. Not necessarily Azerbaijan did this, by the way. It was just a random country I picked. And then they just go, and you're like, oh my god, who are you giving your 12 points to? That's all we care about.
SPEAKER_00Who did we have giving them points from England? It's normally Scott Mills, isn't it? But I don't think he would be doing it.
SPEAKER_04I actually don't know their name. They're a drag act. I don't know their name.
SPEAKER_00Uh someone beginning with B?
SPEAKER_04I have no idea. Red dress, blonde hair. Couldn't tell you any more than that.
SPEAKER_00Okay. I'm just trying to think of the um some bow somebody? I can't remember, no.
SPEAKER_04I don't I don't know them at all. I wasn't familiar with them.
SPEAKER_00But was it was the show good in general, just in just as a whole?
SPEAKER_04Uh it lacked a bit of rock this year, to be honest with you. Yeah, not a lot, not a huge amount of rock. Serbia were cool.
SPEAKER_00Were they?
SPEAKER_04Um didn't score very highly, but they were cool.
SPEAKER_00Finland normally pulls something out of this.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Finland weren't rocky this time. Um kind of what Finland did. They were they were they were fairly up there because Finland was blind channel, I think. Put your middle fingers up, take a shot, d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Oh no.
SPEAKER_00I completely forgot Eurovision was on last night. Normally you watch it. But um, because what was who was our entry? I don't even know who our entry was.
SPEAKER_04Ein zwei Drai. Pop from us. Yeah. Yeah. Some geezer. He sounded it sounded like park life. Like, is that the kind of type of song?
SPEAKER_00Was it any good? Was it diabolical? Excellent. Was it really bad? Did we even uh sort of should we have got that point? No.
SPEAKER_04Um Sam did his best.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, did he?
SPEAKER_04He had these um people with like fuzzy TVs dancing on their head. And as we're on a topic of the episode, one of the songs was gonna get banned. Right. Because the lyrics were choke me, choke me. Um and she uh she was asked what the lyrics meant, and she was that it said her mental health was choking her and stopping her from breathing.
SPEAKER_00Oh right, rather than rather than a Michael Hutchins type scenario.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but to be honest, I I think the lyrics weren't that at all. Did pretty well. It did really well, actually. Brilliant. More than I thought it would. Yeah, Australia did well. She was she was awesome, vocally amazing. Um yeah. So did okay as well.
SPEAKER_02From As of Bajang, Armenia, Fortn's that Miss World contest.
SPEAKER_00But those of you who haven't seen it, just think it into either TikTok or Facebook Reel or Instagram, whatever it is the funniest thing.
SPEAKER_04These elegant ladies, and they're all saying their countries like United Kingdom, Armenia, which is the funniest thing. It's almost like she wanted to say Francais, which is what French is fr France is in French. Yeah. But she just kind of She messed it up. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01So good.
SPEAKER_00I do like watching that just for uh just for just and giggles. There's that one, and I like the Parks and Wreck video with Chris Pratt as well when he improvs Kim Kardashian.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I thought you were talking about um I've put your symptoms into Google and it says that you have internet connectivity problems. You seem to be suffering from internet connectivity problems. Kim Kardashian. Yeah, she's got come on her back.
SPEAKER_00The fact that that was improvised and that everybody lost it. That was brilliant. It's so funny. Uh anyway, shall we go back to the episode? Yeah.
Google Glasses And Hidden Recording
SPEAKER_00Um Google banned Google glasses.
SPEAKER_04Google glasses have been banned.
SPEAKER_00We're banned.
SPEAKER_04Were banned, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because people were worried because obviously you're wearing these Google glasses, they could be filming anything. You know, you could this is an interesting debate, isn't it? So you could you could walk into the toilet and film somebody, and you would never know because you've got camera on your and your glasses.
SPEAKER_04That's true. I never really thought about it, but yeah, that is true. Someone could come into the bathroom and film.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and but you wouldn't know because you got you assume that someone's just wearing glasses.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you'd like to think it would steam up, I suppose. Yeah. I'm thinking of shower, but no, if someone was just having a piss, maybe not.
SPEAKER_00But even but even it's it's not just even from that side of things as well. You know, this is this is. I was thinking privacy. Whole privacy. Whole privacy.
SPEAKER_04I think you know people wear them on roller coasters a lot, which I think is fine because it's a P of E, but yeah.
SPEAKER_00See, I would I'm I'm for them for things like kayaking, stuff like that. Because if you got if you got them in set of sunglasses would be good, and you're kind of paddling and you're filming, you want to film, but I do think as well, the the problem with those, because your head moves a lot, you'd have to have some pretty good anti-stabilisation on them.
SPEAKER_04I think I think Google glasses would be great for me if they could detect when people are using sarcasm because I just can't detect it myself. So if the gl if the glasses like glowed yellow around my face, I'd be like, oh, okay, someone's using sarcasm. I should laugh at this. I think it needs to give me social cues. That would be a good use for Google glasses for me. Social cues.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. But how would you fit how would you feel? Just say like us two now talk. Funny thing is, right, we're actually filming, so that this kind of doesn't work. But if we were having a normal conversation, right, and I was filming you just randomly, would you feel comfortable with that?
SPEAKER_04If you'd said I'm wearing these glasses and I'm gonna film this conversation, I'd be like, Okay, no worries, but I wouldn't want to be filmed unaware. I think that's the difference. Yeah. I mean, there's there's certain things in my life that I mean I put a lot of my life online, I suppose, but there's some things I don't share. Well, exactly.
SPEAKER_00You're having a private conversation with somebody and they've got that conversation on film without your knowledge.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, without the knowledge is definitely the worst part of it, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Um I mean when you think ev even like in a workplace setting. Because I think about when you're being filmed, you act differently. I think so. So let's take okay, give you an example. The police, uh, certain security services as well. And even now, when you look at them, you go into a shop, and quite a lot of people, retail workers, also have them now as well. And it's body cams.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So body warm video cameras.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Now, some of these body warm cameras.
SPEAKER_04They have them in some weather spoon.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, they do, yeah. Yeah, they do. So what you probably don't know, and this is this is a psychological thing as well, why they work so well, is so the certain body cams, they they record on a 30-second loop all the time, constantly recording, over and over in the 30 seconds. So when you hit record, it's already recorded the previous 30 seconds.
SPEAKER_04Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_00And that information is really useful because, say, for instance, we're now talking, right? And you suddenly decide to attack me. Yeah, I hit record, you've only got the attack, but but because it's recorded the 30 seconds beforehand, it's got the bit leading up to it as well.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_00Which is probably the bit that puts it into context of what happened before the attack and why I attack him. But from a psychological perspective, quite often when people when somebody gets into someone else's face or they start escalating to a certain point, as soon as someone says, I'm now recording this conversation, they stop.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So it's not necessarily almost like a deterrent. Exactly. So it's not necessarily even about capturing what is happening for use later on. It actually works as a psychological safety device as well. Yeah. Because that instant that somebody knows they're being recorded, it flicks them out of that mindset because they know what's now about to happen is now going to put on record. It's actually saved, not saved people, well, yeah, probably actually saved people's lives, but it it de-escalates situations very quickly.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_00But that is knowing that you're being filmed, and this is where I'm going with this. Yeah. But Google glasses, you don't know as well. Yeah, I'm I'm I think again, with with these, I think they're useful, but they can be abused.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And it's the abuse of the And I guess it poses a question of people that do wear glasses like myself being questioned on whether they're Google glasses or something like that as well. There's the implications of that side of it. It's a completely innocent party.
SPEAKER_00If they had like a little red recording light.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. On air.
SPEAKER_00Or something, yeah. There's a little there's a little projector on the on the bridge that put projects on air onto your forehead. Or recording. So what do you think? What do you think to them?
SPEAKER_04I can see I can see use cases for both.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04A hard one. I don't know if I can come up with a decision right now here on the podcast. I need to think about it a bit more.
SPEAKER_00Alright. We might revisit that one later date.
Harry Potter And Witchcraft Claims
SPEAKER_00Harry Potter.
SPEAKER_04Yes. Yes, it was banned.
SPEAKER_00Harry Potter was banned or challenged in some schools and religious communities over claims it promoted witchcraft.
SPEAKER_04You're a wizard, Harry. I think the key word in there is promoted.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_04You can't promote something that doesn't exist. Oh, it does. I don't mean to be a bitch, but come on. It's it's a make-believe world.
SPEAKER_05Yep.
SPEAKER_04Once again, DD strikes again. It's the same thing. It's exactly the same thing. Oh, this promotes witchcraft. Sorry?
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04This is a made-up story about a boy.
SPEAKER_0012-year-old boy. Yeah. Like who goes off to a school called Hogwarts.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Again, doesn't exist. Like, oh, just that again pisses me off things like this. It really annoys me when they're just it's just unfounded. There are so many there's so much literature out there on vampires and demons and and witchcraft. And then they're like, oh, yes, let's take this children's book off the market, shall we?
SPEAKER_05Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_04Idiots.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, JK Rowling kind of does deserve it, but not the point. Not the point of this podcast.
SPEAKER_00No. But yeah, again, you're right. It's that. So you think of like those people who did want, and that's why I did that um sound earlier on that. Oh, well, someone think of the children. The Simpsons kind of thing. Yeah, yeah. It's that, isn't it? It's just so people don't know what they're actually looking at, and so they go, ban it, ban it, can't have it.
SPEAKER_04It doesn't promote witchcraft.
SPEAKER_00No, it doesn't. And even if it did, so what? We did an whole episode on witchcraft.
SPEAKER_04We did do a whole episode on witchcraft. It's actually really good as well. After I just shat on it. Yeah. I just mean in this context, it's just not real in in that world.
SPEAKER_00No, not the what the world format is not real. Yeah, you you didn't mean to be petrol. You can't really cast expecto patronum, or what is it? No. Expensive petroleum.
SPEAKER_02I love him so much.
SPEAKER_00Uh next
Segways And E-Scooter Safety
SPEAKER_00one.
SPEAKER_02Yo.
SPEAKER_00Chimpanzee riding on a segue. Chimpanzee riding on a segue. Chimpanzee riding on a segue.
SPEAKER_02Was the video?
SPEAKER_00No, not the video, segue's.
unknownSegways.
SPEAKER_02Oh. He's got a helmet on and he's wearing overalls and don't that lady look surprised.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Chimpanzee, rad and other segments. Why was Segway? Well, I can understand why Segways are the monkeys are taking over. Segway, bam, bam, bam, bah, bam.
SPEAKER_04Were they worried about like Planet of the Apes situation?
SPEAKER_00No, no, it was it was banned because officials worried that the devices were unsafe for pedestrians.
SPEAKER_04To be honest.
SPEAKER_00They are.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. They're not the best mode of transport.
SPEAKER_00No.
SPEAKER_04Roller skates are definitely you've got way more control over. You've got eight wheels there.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah, but your legs go.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but at least that's only you getting hurt. Do you know what I mean? Like it's a self- I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Have you seen funky monkeys? That can be garnage.
SPEAKER_04True. I did end up in hospital myself. I do remember, but have you ever been on a Segway? I can't remember if it was me or Mitchell has. I think Mitchell has.
SPEAKER_00I've never been randomly. Because have you seen them other ones where it's just you put your foot either side of the the wheel and you like tip forward to go forward? Hoverboard. No, no, not a hoverboard. The wheel is in the middle and you tip forward. There was someone really famous who stood on one of them and just like straight into a wall.
SPEAKER_04They're funny.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think they are quite dangerous, admittedly. I don't think they should be used as like public transport, but you know, at they do some like at Thetford Forest and you go on a trail. That's fine. I've got no problem with that. Yeah, I mean when you're bulky wheels. Road use that I think I would probably be like, yeah, not the safest option.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I've got a thing about e-scooters as well. I'm not that keen on e-scooters because of the way that they bez around.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, Mitchell. Because it's not great on an e-scooter either.
SPEAKER_00Because the funny thing is, e-scooters aren't actually banned to a degree. But we've got the council-run ones that aren't.
SPEAKER_04Yes. I'm not I'm not entirely sure how that's.
SPEAKER_00And there's a whole thing about the lithium batteries because the lithium batteries have a tendency to explode.
SPEAKER_04It's the drink driving thing that's the issue as well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Technically speaking, it is drink driving.
SPEAKER_00But EV scooters, segues. But again, I think I think they're useful if they're used correctly. I think I think that's part of it as well, because they were just thrown into society and everyone was like, off we go.
SPEAKER_04The push, like, did you ever have those scooters as a kid where it was like metal and it folded up?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04And if it clanged your ankle, annoying. See, that's kind of fine because at the end of the day, you're only hurting yourself. You can't pick up enough speed to hurt someone else, I don't think. Really?
SPEAKER_05No.
SPEAKER_04Whereas an E, you probably have less control because the speed is determined by lack of pushing. Um, I'm not really sure.
Pokemon Go And Restricted Zones
SPEAKER_00Uh, next one, Pokemon Go.
SPEAKER_04Oh, where was that banned?
SPEAKER_00So it doesn't say where it was banned, it just said it was restricted in some places due to security concerns after players wandered into military zones in restricted areas.
SPEAKER_01But I need to catch Pikachu! There's a Mewtwo, quick. Can you imagine?
SPEAKER_00Right? Sorry. A cyber? I'm I'm not I'm I'm not making a joke about war in any way, shape, or form, but there you are on the front line. And you've got old mate with his phone walking in the middle looking for Hubble Duggle or whatever.
SPEAKER_04Can you name any Pokemon that I haven't just said?
SPEAKER_00Pikachu.
SPEAKER_04That I haven't just said.
SPEAKER_00Nebuchadnezzar.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_00No, no, the the the turtle.
SPEAKER_04Which one?
SPEAKER_00The the the the the green one.
SPEAKER_03Squirtle.
SPEAKER_00Squirtle, there you go. Squirtle. You used to play Pokemon Go, didn't you? You did. Didn't Mitchell used to play it as well.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, we're quite high level.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04Do you know what was something to do in lockdown when it was and it got us out of the house and it got us moving?
SPEAKER_00So you know what? Did you go to any uh restricted science and or military zones?
SPEAKER_04Not knowingly. I did walk into a lamppost though. That was at the UEA. Was it? I told you about it. I told you to look on the camera. I was outside Elizabeth Fry.
SPEAKER_00Oh, right, okay.
SPEAKER_04And I walked slap bang into the lamp street. Like the streetlight, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Brilliant.
SPEAKER_04Like, like it's one of them cartoon, like dong. Yeah, I was outside Elizabeth Fry.
SPEAKER_00Oh, excellent.
Foie Gras Ethics And TikTok Privacy
SPEAKER_00Excellent. Um, this next one I can completely fully understand why it was banned.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_00And I agree with it. Foie gras.
SPEAKER_04Oh, it's baby fish eggs, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, no, it's banned in some areas because the production process involves force feeding ducks and geese.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I don't know what foie gras is.
SPEAKER_00Foie gras, it's it's a delicacy. It's like a Greek and uh like a geek. Is it though? It's it's a meat. It's like a pate type meat.
SPEAKER_04Oh, I thought it was fish eggs. Oh, is that caviar?
SPEAKER_00That's caviar. But what you do would force feed the ducks and the geese with a certain type of food to give it the flavour and it used to stress them out and stress the meat out.
SPEAKER_04No, no, that's no, that's no.
SPEAKER_00It's basically ethical, you know, it's a whole mobile.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's yeah, I I couldn't I can I I can get down with that one being banned.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I'm I'm that's fine. Yeah, that's that's okay.
SPEAKER_04That's not a censorship issue.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, the the production of the production of foie glois. Okay. Um in some areas, old TikTok was banned.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And there was a massive debate.
SPEAKER_04Asia pretty much have it banned. Don't they? They don't have Google, do they?
SPEAKER_00No, they don't. They don't have Google. I hadn't I knew someone who didn't.
SPEAKER_04Not the whole of Asia, by the way.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I know. No, but I did know someone who did work in China, and they did say to me, and they did talk to me about the census. It was quite a while ago, and I can't remember the full extent, but they said the census isn't censorsm. Censorship in China. There's lots of shh shh shh shisho she shows on the shisho. Um was quite was quite high. It was quite high. But yeah, it was banned by several governments over data privacy and national security concerns. So there was there was that um American uh Senate hearing, and they had the guy from TikTok, and you've got to watch it.
SPEAKER_02Oh really?
SPEAKER_00You got to watch it, and he because he says, uh he says, Oh, so you're Chinese, and he says, No, I'm from Singapore. He goes, Well, and then later on he says, Um, so as somebody who's from China, because they were talking about how I have seen this. You can see him, he's like, mate, I'm from Singapore.
SPEAKER_04I'm Singaporean, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Singaporean, I'm not Chinese. And I said, have you you know, have you got any uh any ties to your Chinese or to the your government in China? It's like Jesus Christ, how many more times?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I'm not Chinese.
SPEAKER_00I'm not Chinese, I'm Singaporean. Um, but yeah, but there's that whole thing about people spying on you through through Tiki Tok. Well, if they do, I'm screwed because I'm on TikTok all the time.
SPEAKER_04I don't go on TikTok.
SPEAKER_00I quite like scrolling through.
SPEAKER_04You're you're a doom scroller man, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Like scrolling through.
SPEAKER_04I'm an Instagram gal.
A Clockwork Orange And Copycat Fears
SPEAKER_00I mentioned this book, Clockwork Orange.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, why was it banned? Can you tell us in this podcast?
SPEAKER_00Yes, this is a really interesting story.
SPEAKER_04So it's got quite adult themes, hasn't it?
SPEAKER_00It was, yeah. So the film was banned. The film came out, it went out into the cinemas, and then it got pulled. The reason why Stanley Kubrick himself, the director, pulled it.
SPEAKER_04Oh.
SPEAKER_00Uh first first time ever That's unusual. Yeah, the first time ever a director has pulled his own film and banned it. The reason being people got the wrong idea, they didn't understand what he was really trying to say. So there were copycat crimes, there were people going around dressed as the drooges, and there was a there was a rise in violence.
SPEAKER_04Well, good for him for pulling his own film, realizing that people were mistaking it.
SPEAKER_00And he basically said, What like the film's not about that? The film is about the depravity, it's about the morality, it's about government overreach, it's about all this, but you're seeing it as just a fun, violent film. He said, That that's not the message that I was sending.
SPEAKER_02Oh, damn.
SPEAKER_00So Stanley Kubrick himself pulled it. So I because I didn't watch A Clockwork Orange until quite late. It was quite late in the 90s, the first time I saw it, because it was banned.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00Because even The Exorcist, because the Exorcist was banned.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I thought The Exorcist would be coming up. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00The Exorcist, that was bad. Like, have you watched it now? Like, really?
SPEAKER_04It's nothing.
SPEAKER_00It is absolutely nothing. And then, of course, you've got all of the other type films from the 80s, you've got the driller killer and all of those.
SPEAKER_04I think the inner uh Exorcist, though, was the inappropriate use of the cross. Yeah, it was.
SPEAKER_00It was they saw it as being blasphemous.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, which I can kind of understand why that would upset them.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, back then. Yeah. I mean, but even like Life of Brian was banned.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. She said it was it was in and there's a really good interview with John Cleese and Michael Palin, and they're saying about we and that you've got a bishop on there as well. And he said, Well, you're taking the Mickey out of Jesus. He says, We don't. He said, Not once do we point. He said, You've got the you've got the the image of the sermon on the hill, and that's all done very respectfully. He said, The joke is the guy at the back who goes, speak up.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00He said, He's the one we're we're mocking, not Christ.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. They did it very cleverly, actually.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and that's why they did Brian. He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy. At no point do they ridicule, ridicule, Catholicism or Christ.
SPEAKER_04No.
SPEAKER_00Even when Brian's on the cross. Like, it's not Jesus.
SPEAKER_04No, no.
SPEAKER_00And they did it, they did it for that reason. And Michael Paleon and John Cleese went this interview, and you can see them getting warmed up with this bishop. It is so good. Oh, damn.
Breakdancing Panic And Cultural Racism
SPEAKER_00So, so good. Breakdancing was banned. Why? Breakdancing was banned in some schools and public spaces during the 90s because adults associated it with gangs and gangs. Gang violence.
SPEAKER_04I knew that would be basically that's not actually what they were worried about. I'm assuming it's more of the black connotations actually with it and the racism and the world. Yeah, well, that's it.
SPEAKER_00The gang culture. Gang culture.
SPEAKER_04So culture, black culture, that's what they called racism back in the day was gang culture.
SPEAKER_00Exactly that. That's so stupid. I tried to learn to break dance when in the 80s.
SPEAKER_04Did you, heck?
SPEAKER_00I did. I could do the caterpillar to a degree, and I could do the spinny thing, but some I had wanted to spin the spinny thing. The spinny thing with a line's legs. But I went to school with somebody who could actually do spin on their head.
SPEAKER_04It was insane. I would have actually paid money to see you do the worm.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_04Can you do it now? No, I'm 50.
SPEAKER_00Oh brick something.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I did do the jump up for my knees the other day, and I thought now I'm getting too old to do that now.
SPEAKER_04I I always enjoy when you get up from the sofa and I just hear there's like three clicks. One's one's one knee and one's your foot. Yeah. And then the other click is just miscellaneous.
SPEAKER_00It could be in the back. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, well, it's um years years of uh You literally crack when you when you I mean I will get there, so I shouldn't really laugh.
SPEAKER_00Years of aboose. Years of abuse. Years of abuse to my body.
SPEAKER_04What we got left,
The Satanic Verses And Real Threats
SPEAKER_04boy.
SPEAKER_00We've got the Satanic Verses. Oh book by Salman Rushdie. It was banned in several countries after protests after claiming the novel was bla blasphemous towards Islam. Salmon Rushdie actually got death threats over that. He went out to go into hiding. Oh, that's because he wasn't. Yeah, it was quite bad. And he did get attacked once. I think he did get stabbed.
SPEAKER_03Oh my.
SPEAKER_00I must admit, I don't know much about it, and I've never read it. I've never read the satanic verses, so I don't know, I really don't know that much about it.
SPEAKER_04It is a tad unusual to find someone getting blasted for being against um or saying bad things about Islam. It's normally the other way around, isn't it? It's normally the saying bad things about more Christian or Western religions.
SPEAKER_00It's all you know, you've got pockets in all religions, haven't you? I know, I know, I know.
SPEAKER_04But I just it does seem a little actually unusual for the time, perhaps. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00So this was a weird, weird one.
Food Dyes And Processed Food Debates
SPEAKER_00Yes, red, a certain type of red dye was banned because it was she lick a frog.
SPEAKER_04I don't know why my mind jumped to that.
SPEAKER_05But it's true.
SPEAKER_03I know, I know. I'm I'm fully aware. Not that I lick frogs, by the way. This isn't like a confessional or anything. By the way, Dad, I tech drugs and uh is frog licking.
SPEAKER_00Where's Hannah? She's in sharing them looking for frogs. Sheringham? I suppose it got bottomed to a head. Froggy corner.
SPEAKER_03The froggy bump. Um froggy corners.
SPEAKER_00This was a food diet. Right. It was banned after like blue smarties.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Oh my gosh. Sorry, carry on.
SPEAKER_00After possible uh cancer risks.
SPEAKER_03Oh, they've been easy. That's fair enough.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. We'll allow that one. But then but then it got onto the debate about processed foods and the like.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think blue smarties was something to do with the e-numbers and making children hyper.
SPEAKER_00There was a whole thing about e-numbers and that's how I remember that being a thing when I was young.
SPEAKER_04But yeah. The orange smarties taste like orange smarties, but why didn't the other smarties taste like uh other fruit flavours?
SPEAKER_00Well, what does blue taste like? Oh, I suppose you could have blueberry or blue raspberry.
SPEAKER_04Um like blue raspberry is like the blue stushy flavour, isn't it?
SPEAKER_00What would green be? What should green be?
SPEAKER_04See, apple chocolate sounds weird and lime chocolate sounds weird, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_00Well I don't know. Oh you chocolate lime, said mint, mint.
SPEAKER_03Why did we not say mint? Sometimes that's another pound in the swear jar. What would green be? I was like, apple would be rubbish, lime would be rubbish mint, obviously. That's what most I was thinking, what's the green terries chocolate?
SPEAKER_04And I was like, oh yeah, it's mint.
SPEAKER_00Um yellow would be lemon.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, lemon chocolate. Lemon chocolate? Banana chocolate?
SPEAKER_00Banana chocolate, banana chocolate.
SPEAKER_04The brown would just be standard.
SPEAKER_03Just chocolate. Let's not discuss what brown will be, please. Oh god. Strawberry Dream would be the red.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Manhunt Bans And GTA In Real Life
SPEAKER_00So the the last one I've got was a game, um, was a P was I thought it would go computer games. Oh uh, and it's a game called Manhunt.
SPEAKER_05Oh, that rings a bell.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was banned uh in several countries because of the graphic violence and alleged links to behave violent behaviour. Okay. So it links to behind, but yeah, basically you would just go off.
SPEAKER_04Which is why it's called prop hunt now, where you where you disguise yourself as a prop.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Right, makes sense to me.
SPEAKER_00But Manhunt was there was another game that Rockstar brought out, because I think like Grand Theft Auto, Magic Redemption. They brought another game out called Bully, and that got banned as well.
SPEAKER_04I think I think Grand Theft Auto seems to get away with a lot, and there's no real competition for it because people can't seem to do it right, you know. No, um, they get it too violent or yeah.
SPEAKER_00Grand Theft Auto's got the right level, it's right level of silliness to be not real. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I saw this video, it made me die the other day. Yeah, I was gonna tell you about it and I completely forgot, so I'm glad it's come up. There was a guy who took his girlfriend to Miami and he was driving-to Miami. He was driving around and she was like, Um, you said you'd never been here before. He's like, No, no, no, but I know I know the roads really well. It's all because he'd played GTA GTA, yeah. Um, that he that he knew he was like, uh like he was going past all these places, and I did I I'm not that well versed in in the world.
SPEAKER_05Yeah.
SPEAKER_04The one I remember the most is Sandreas for some reason. But when they were going through Miami, he was like, he was filming bits that were in GTA in GTA as well. He was like, I know these roads so well. Like he's just like, yeah, I know I know where we're going, don't worry. Oh, you want to go here? No problem. Like it was really funny. And she was like, I don't understand. How do you know how do you not how do you know where you're going? That's my terrible American accent there, by the way.
SPEAKER_00That was almost valley girl.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I don't know. That's the only one I can do. Oh my god, a little doggy. Yeah, I don't, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, but yeah, but it got back because it was and I um I must admit, I've never played Manhunt, I've never seen it, but I remember the stills and the images from it, and I thought, yeah, that's a bit much.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That is a bit much.
SPEAKER_04I mean even like when you're Crop Put's funny though, when someone disguises themselves as like a plant and they have to escape the shooters.
SPEAKER_00It's quite funny. Yeah. Anyway, sorry, carry
Final Thoughts And Where To Follow
SPEAKER_00on. But there you go, that's it. That was all of them.
SPEAKER_04Nice. That was all of them. Dun and dusted.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
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