From Chaplin To Panel Shows In Britain

We start with a dedication to our friend Mark, because when you lose someone, comedy can feel like the only honest way to breathe again. From a story about trying to leave flowers in the right place to the little moments that would have made him laugh, we keep the tone warm, real, and a bit chaotic, exactly as life tends to be.

Then we zoom out into the history of comedy and British humour, from Restoration theatre and music hall to silent film slapstick and the craft of Charlie Chaplin. We talk about why physical comedy worked when film had no sound, why satire keeps coming back in every era, and why panel shows like 8 Out Of 10 Cats, Mock The Week, Never Mind The Buzzcocks, Big Fat Quiz Of The Year, and Taskmaster feel so addictive when comedians bounce off each other.

We also get into the messier side: offensive comedy, intent, and how “the line” shifts with time. We unpack why some jokes are built to challenge social norms, why context matters when old scenes get cut on streaming, and why being offended on behalf of others can backfire. Along the way we share what actually makes us laugh, from dry humour and surprise to the genius of Bob Mortimer and the psychology behind Jimmy Carr.

If you enjoy comedy podcasts, British comedy history, and thoughtful chats about censorship and culture, hit subscribe, share this with a mate, and leave a review. What comedian always makes you laugh, no matter how rough the week has been?

Transcript

Welcome To Bonus Dad Bonus Daughter

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A Dedication To Mark

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Via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Hello and welcome to a very special podcast episode.

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A very special podcast episode.

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Today we're going to start on a slightly more somber note. We are going to dedicate this episode to a dear friend of ours that we lost this week called Mark. So this episode is for Mark, and we wanted to do an episode on comedy. So it was nice and fun because I'm sure that's what he would have wanted. So yes, we're going to do an episode on comedy today.

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Do you want to just say what you did the other day when you went to put flowers down where he was? Or what happened?

SPEAKER_00 0:59

Yeah, it's quite a funny story, actually. So so we lost Mark, unfortunately, um in a in a motorcycle accident. Um so I went down to the road where we live, and uh I I couldn't I couldn't find uh uh uh an obvious place to to put the flowers down. So I ended up putting them near a marker, like a stone marker near the Barford sign. And it was like um it was like, you know those stone markers that say like Norwich 15 miles away or what it wasn't that it was like seven miles or whatever it was. I just put the flowers down and was like, sorry, mate, I'm not really sure where you parted us, but um I hope you kind of appreciate the effort as such. And I put them down, I was like, sorry, mate. Just put them down and then uh I said a few words and then I went away. But I thought uh I thought he'd quite enjoy the fact that I didn't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:44

But he would have laughed at that. I think he would have laughed at that.

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Yeah, I think he really would have laughed at that. But yeah, uh a bit of a bit of a sad one, so we thought we'd we'd we'd do an episode on comedy um and make it.

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And dedicate it to our dear friend Mark.

New Studio And New Tech

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Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I'm on my phone today because um well today.

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Well as you can see.

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Oh yeah, sorry, we're in a new studio.

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We're in a new studio. We are kind of well, we're saying we're in a new studio. We normally we we do the episodes from Hannah's house. Yes. But today we're doing it from mine.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Yeah, which means I forgot everything that I possibly needed to bring, such as my laptop to have a read of the actual read the script. And I thought that I forgot my headphones, which is weird because my headphones are sitting on top of my MacBook right now, but you also happen to have the same pair of headphones in your bag. Yeah. I think there's a glitch in the Matrix because they are definitely sitting on my thing at home.

SPEAKER_03 2:40

No, they're not, they're on your head.

SPEAKER_00 2:41

The only thing I can think of was I did recently buy some new in-ear headphones and I was gonna use them instead. Right. And now I'm starting to think, did I put those on top of my MacBook? And not and not these headphones. Possibly. Because obviously these headphones are here. Possibly. Very confused, very confused. So yeah, I forgot everything because normally everything's in my house, so um, yeah, I completely forgot everything. Are you okay then?

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Yeah, I am. Yeah, sorry, that's better.

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Sweet. Yeah, I sound a bit more softer now.

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Yeah, we because we're in because we're in a new room, uh it's taken a little bit of time to get the sound kind of. Thank you. Yeah, there's a little bit of echo. Little bit of it, which isn't great. But no, we are we are in my house today. So we're in the we're actually in we're actually in the garage.

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Yeah, we are. We're in the garage.

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And we've we've got something different in the setup today as well, haven't we?

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Yeah, we've got a bit more professional now.

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We have. So normally we have the YouTube video is done through the lapel mics.

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And the iPhone.

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And the iPhone. But I went out and I bought myself a new MacBook.

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Woo!

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So we're actually running the sound that you are going to be hearing through the roadcaster is going directly into my laptop, which is over there.

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Which means the sound quality should be better. And it means that we can also use the marvelous soundpad.

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Good evening.

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Yeah, and now that YouTube can appreciate our funny quips on the soundpad.

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They can indeed. Yes. They can indeed.

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Yes.

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So let's talk about comedy.

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Let's talk about comedy. Yeah. Yeah. I haven't read the script. I know you haven't, you never do.

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You never do. So I've gone a little bit like I normally do, looked into a little bit of the history of comedy. But then uh I thought we'd talk about some comedy shows and also how comedy from a from a sociology perspective how comedy actually works. Because I got this idea from actually I listened to an episode, uh, a podcast episode with Jimmy Carr.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Ah.

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And Jimmy Carr was being interviewed. Funny man. He is a very funny man. He was being interviewed by Louis Thoreau.

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Ah, yes, yeah.

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And it was a very, very good episode. Very, very good. And I thought, oh, actually, I just your inspiration. Yeah, and when I was listening to Jimmy Carr speak, because he's uh Jimmy Carr's one of those comedians who uh let's just say you either like him or you don't.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Yeah, I think he done what was the show where he was like, This is my career-ending show, because he done a lot of uh He does a lot of very He does a lot of jokes that are very close to the line.

SPEAKER_03 5:06

Very close, yeah, very close. And he tells a lot of career-ending jokes. Career-ending jokes, that's what I meant to say. But there's I'll come on to it later on, but he there's actually a science behind it and what he does.

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Nice.

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And because of course, with comedy, especially with comedy that is, shall we say, uh offensive.

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Yeah.

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Right. Well, offend offend again, the word offensive is subjective. Some people might be offended by certain things and other people don't.

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Yeah.

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Um, but what he kind of says is that this is a safe space.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, this is a safe, and that's part of what is what part of what comedy is is sort of thing you shouldn't be laughing, yeah, but you do. Yeah. And it's all to do with not probably what's being sent, but being said specifically, but rather the intent behind it. Intent comes into a little bit of a lot of it.

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Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah.

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So um let's go back in history.

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Back in history. Uh time warp. We should have a time warp sound.

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We should. We really should. Actually, because I can do loads of little sound.

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We could do the oh no, I don't know if we'd get copyrighted, actually. I was thinking like the Doctor Who theme tune.

SPEAKER_03 6:11

Oh. So we were gonna do a life update, but of course we we haven't actually really got anything to say because we haven't really done anything.

SPEAKER_00 6:19

I've been so poorly. Yeah. You've been poorly as well.

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I've been poorly, and I've been doing a lot of my um Tails recordings as well. Yes, and I've done a few more recordings on here as well, which we might get to use today, hopefully, which will be quite funny. Yes. So, what where was I going with this? I started off something.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

Uh, you said we were gonna do a life update, but then realised we hadn't done anything, and then I don't know where you were going with Jimmy Carmy Car convention.

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Yeah, I actually completely lost my train of thought.

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Okay, well, that's fun.

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Happy Sunday.

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Go back to the script. Okay, what it's there for.

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This is a good start.

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This is a great start. I'm having a great day. Yeah. Oh, I did bring breakfast though.

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You did bring breakfast.

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Uh it took me ages to get the breakfast, but it was all correct.

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Actually, that's what I was gonna say. So I even text you this morning and said, please remember an extension need and please remember this, and please remember that, and you've brought none of it.

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I brought the table. That's the one thing I remembered. My Mac is sitting at home on the stairs. I just forgot to pick it up when I left the house. Yeah. It's because I had like the table in my hand, which is quite it's quite a bulky table, even when it's down. Yeah, and I was lifting that through, and I just closed the door. I got distracted as well because my neighbour is on holiday at the moment, and um they have like a cat sitter coming. Um, and he was really nice, and I was just chatting to him outside. Again, he distracted me from everything that I needed. I will make a list next time you can remember everything.

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I'm sorry. Yes, okay. Well, we could just bring we could just keep it. Do you actually need this table?

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Yes.

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You do, oh okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

In my defence, it has been a very, very weird week.

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It has been a very strange week. Yeah, it's been a very strange week.

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It's not been uh it's not been the the most mentally uh happy week. So uh I'm not surprised that I've forgotten a few things.

Comedy Origins From Stage To Film

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No. So yeah, let's go to pre-20th century comedy in theatre, essentially where comedy kind of really kind of started to go, shall we say mainstream?

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Oh mainstream comedy. Let's go.

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During the restoration period, between the years of 1660 and 1700, and this was kind of after the English Civil War. Okay. Okay, British comedy started to flourish on stage during during the Restoration period, essentially.

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They needed some cheering up.

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They did need some cheering up. And you had playwrights start uh people like William Congreve and Richard Sheridan, and they started to write witty satirical? Satirical comedies. Gotcha. Uh, and they that kind of started poking fun at sort of social norms. Okay. Things like that. So, and then in the 19th century, we had a thing called vaudeville, the music halls.

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Vaudeville.

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Vaudeville. Is it um They were kind of like German? Music Hall acts. Can you remember like music hall acts? And they were kind of they were stand-up skits, slapstick routines, because early comedy was very slapstick.

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It was like Charlie Chaplin.

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Yeah, calling off things and stuff. Oh yeah, come on to Charlie Chaplin. Um, but yeah, slapstick was that kind of really I mean when you look now, modern day slapstick, you're looking at things like well, I say modern day, modern day for us, or more like bottom things like that. That was very slapstick.

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I think of when I think of slapstick, I think of only whores and fours.

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Only fools and horses. Yeah.

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Only horses and falls.

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I don't actually find slapstick comedy that funny.

SPEAKER_00 9:28

It's not my cup of tea. I don't find Dad's army funny either.

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No, I don't find it that funny.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

Even Black Adder, I quite like Black Adder 4, but because it's a little bit more intelligent slapstick.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

Well, it is, yeah, that's the thing. It's the int I prefer the intelligent comedy.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

Yeah. I don't like, I don't know, I don't like beating up for the sheer of beating up.

SPEAKER_03 9:46

No, I don't, I just don't find like things like the three stooges, you know, where they hit each other with planks. And I just don't find that funny.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

No, I'm not. I'm not into it.

SPEAKER_03 9:54

I really don't. I know a lot of American comedy is kind of slapstick.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Yeah, I think I think I should have started this podcast episode with a caveat saying I actually am not really into comedy because I find because I find comedy like a little bit sometimes I don't understand it. And I think it's like the nuance of it, like the sarcasm of it sometimes I don't always understand.

SPEAKER_03 10:14

See, that's the thing about the British humour is we are very sarcastic.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

Yeah, like something like Austin Powers Gold member. As a kid watching that, I just thought everything he was saying was was normal. I didn't realise every single line was a joke until I watched it as an adult, and I realised that every single line in that show is a joke. There's there's not a single, there's not a single reprieve of comedy from that. No. I still love the movie, but it's yeah, I I don't think I realised, I don't think I always understand the nuance. And people that make me laugh are like Richard Ayowardi.

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So yes.

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It's more that kind of humour. I don't know what you'd call that.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

Yeah, it it's very dry. Dry, yeah. I like dry humour. Dry humour. Yeah. I mean, when you look at someone like uh, so we've been watching the last one laughing again because a new series is that.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Yes, I've watched the first two episodes.

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Now, obviously, there's you've got the ridiculous side of comedy, which is things like Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer. Yeah, shooting stars, things like that.

SPEAKER_00 11:09

Bob Mortimer just gets me. I don't know what it is, but it's just so random and so off the cuff that it just makes me die.

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That is exactly what it is, and that's what unexpected comedy comedy so intelligent. On the face of it, you think this is just nonsense. But when you actually look at it and look at what he does and how funny it is, yeah, it is genius because it's random.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Yeah, yeah. It's absolutely random. It's so off the cuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. When he got Richard Aowardi in the last one, yeah. That was so funny.

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Yeah, I mean, he is Bob Mortimer, he is an absolute genius. He is a genius. Absolute genius.

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He deserved to win.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. See if he wins again. Yeah. We don't know.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

So other things that happened in vaudeville were things like vaudeville were burlesque, things like that. It was all very dancy, that type of thing.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily call burlesque comedy, but I guess it is kind of a a more satirical take on well, lap dancing, isn't it? I guess it's it's more of a satirical take on sexy dancing.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

Yeah, it kind of it kind of is. Yeah. Um, and then of course we come into the earliest 20th century, which is the radio and silent film. Yeah. And you've already mentioned him, the genius that was Charlie Chaplin.

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Yeah.

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Uh, and that was the silent film era. So the earlier film era, the earliest 20th century saw the rise of physical comedy and slapstick routines with figures like Charlie Chaplin becoming international icons. Now, when you think of the silent film, it had to be visual.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

It had to be. That's what I was just about to say. Maybe that's where slapstick kind of really got its uh origins because they couldn't do sound, so it makes sense that they would do physical comedy, which is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

And of course, it's very over the top as well. Yeah. I mean, when you actually look at what Charlie Chaplin did in some of those silent films, he did all his all of his own stunts. Yeah. Now there's one particular famous scene where he's standing in front of a house and the front of the house crashes down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And when it crashes down, he's standing in the open window, and the open window just goes around him again. Yeah. Now, you think about the physic or the the actual measurements that they had to do to make sure that he didn't get hit by the house. That had to be precision.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So, you know, that's just insane.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely insane.

SPEAKER_00 13:21

I think as well, someone that I think of, when I think of physical comedy in the more modern day, although he I don't actually think he does comedy anymore or has retired, is Lee Evans.

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Yeah.

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He done he done a mix of kind of stand-up, but he also done a few, he didn't do stunts as such, but he kind of made his face contort into certain things. And when um like I really love his sketch of the self-checkouts.

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That's brilliant.

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When he when he like puts over the thing and it's like, item not recognized, item not recognized, sprouts, and he goes, like it was like an amazing, like a miracle thing that it suddenly realized that he was scanning his sprouts. But yeah, it's it's kind of he used as a mixture of the two that kind of stand up, but also that he's got that physical element to it that his facial expressions really make it.

SPEAKER_03 14:05

Yeah, he he uses his body to tell the rest of the story as well as the sound. I mean, there's there's one really funny sketch where he is uh he's giving himself an appraisal. Yeah. And he's playing his boss and him, and he keeps switching chairs.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and it's genius.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

See, that's that's funny. Yeah, that's funny.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

Yeah, yeah. And he's seen the one where he does the um I drive the coach.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Yes, yeah. Yeah, yeah. He was he was a real like big star in his day, wasn't he, Lee Evans? He was he was the one that you kind of heard of. Yeah, or I felt like he was the one. If you thought of comedy, you thought of Lee Evans. Yeah, yeah.

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100%.

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He kind of looks funny as well, which I don't mean disrespectfully, I just mean he's just got a very comical kind of look about him as well. He does. His facial expressions and stuff.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Comical man.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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And then uh after the silent film error, we had the radio in the 1920s and 40s, and then we had things like The Goon Show.

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Mm-hmm.

Offence Intent And Changing Lines

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Um started being on the on the radio. And also we had the rise, especially up in like the 60s, we had a guy called Alf Garnet come on the scene.

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Okay.

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Especially in England, and he did things like Till Death Threw Us Part.

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Okay.

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Now, Alf, when you watch some of those shows now, they wouldn't fly today.

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Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 15:15

They wouldn't fly today. That's you think about the time there was then, and there, you know, there was a lot of jokes about racial stereotypes, culture stereotypes, things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And misogyny, that type of thing, which at the time was funny.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

I feel like, yeah, misogyny particularly is the one I struggle with the most. I'm I don't believe in censorship because I believe at the time, you know, it w it it was more acceptable. Should it have been acceptable? Probably not. But you know, I I like to think that things made in their time, I appreciate that that was in a time where that's it, it wasn't bad.

SPEAKER_02 15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:46

Although it was. It's just one of those things that I think misogyny nowadays, if people joke about it, people just think, oh, you you are just so uh behind the times. It's not seen as funny anymore, it's seen as more you are so out of yeah, you are so out of the the the modern day. Like those jokes aren't funny anymore because we've moved on.

SPEAKER_03 16:07

There's uh you've you've seen Jim Jeffries.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

He's an Australian comedian.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_03 16:13

Jim Jeffries is again, he he does this amazing skit.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Oh, is he on is is he the Australian comedian on Last One Laughing?

SPEAKER_03 16:22

No, no, no, no, it's not him, it's not him. No, Jim Jeffries does this amazing monologue on gun uh on gun crime in America and about the Second Amendment. I mean he quite famously says the line, it's called an amendment. Yeah, you know, you can change it. The clue is in the name. Yeah, and he does this amazing thing on guns. He says about, you know, there's there's one bit in the in the thing where he says about, you know, well, the the gun is uh locked away in the safe drawer, right? Or in you know in a in a closed safe, locked safe. He says you've got a burglar coming in and you're trying to remember the combination. You're saying, hang on a minute, just a minute, like what he said to your wife, what's the combination? It's our anniversary, like I'm gonna remember that. You know, it's you know, it's it's it's very, very good. Yeah, but what he says, the reason I mention him is because a lot of his jokes are quite close to the line. And he said, like ten years ago, you can't cancel me for a joke that I did 10 years ago. No, because the line was here then.

SPEAKER_00 17:19

I agree.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

He said, now the line has moved. Yeah. So I don't go past this line now. Yeah. So you can't. I completely agree with that. Yeah. Doing doing comedy when the line was here back then.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Yeah, I I completely agree with that. Yeah. It's it's it's a show of more of how we've moved on as a society. In fact, if we don't, if we start locking down on those things, if we start making people apologize or other, we won't see the progress we've made.

SPEAKER_02 17:45

No.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

There there is there is nothing. That's like ripping down statues and stuff of certain people. Like, I don't agree with that either, because again, it's a product of the time. We need to keep that history alive, we need to learn from our mistakes, not you know 100%.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

In in fact, because as as we know, Jimmy Carr does, I mean, one of his career-ending jokes was the Holocaust joke. Holocaust joke, yeah. The Holocaust joke. And he actually said, you know, this is gonna end my career, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:09

And he does it, and he does it in such a way where it's it's it's a very sensitive subject. Yeah. But he delivers it quite well.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:16

And and he does and that actually reminded me of something I was thinking about the Holocaust, something that you've just said, which is quite poignant. Now, obviously, during Germany, during the Second World War with Hitler, now the Germans, uh, I know they they teach this in history, and it's basically saying, look what we did.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

But they do it in such a way so that the German population who are alive now were not it's not their fault.

SPEAKER_00 18:45

No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03 18:46

You know, they weren't there. No. You know, but what they do, the reason they teach it in history is so that it doesn't happen again.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 18:54

And that is so true. It's like we should, you know, you said we should learn from our mistakes. So tearing down, cancelling things, doing that, no. Because what you're then doing, you're not then realising what happened back then to make sure that it doesn't happen again because we learn from our mistakes. So we have to teach those mistakes to not let them happen again.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

I really struggle with censorship as well in old old TV shows. The classic example, there's two, there's two examples. Scrubs is one of them, Gilmore Girls is another. So uh in Scrubs, they have removed a scene where JD does blackface. Now, I do not agree with blackface, just want to propose that. Like, I understand the implications of blackface.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

I have a picture that says different.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

I know. Which is what's gonna get me onto the Gilmore girls thing in a second. Please don't make me out to be a racist.

SPEAKER_03 19:39

We will we will explain that. Can we please explain that? We'll explain that too much a little bit later.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

So the Scrubs one is they're making they're making the joke that you shouldn't do blackface. So what JD and Turk go to a party, Turk has white on his face, uh, JD has black on his face, and they go to a party and they say, Oh, we must stick together, otherwise it will it will look like JD is being racist, right? Um, and then for some reason they get split up and then JD gets beaten up for being blackface. But they've cut on Netflix or wherever it, I can't remember where it's actually being shown, it's completely cut that scene. The whole problem, the whole point of that scene is to say that it's bad. So the reason I the reason for cutting that is just so incredibly strange to me. I don't understand. Now, Gilmore girls, same thing, uh, not the same thing, sorry, all they're doing is sitting there in face masks.

SPEAKER_02 20:28

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_00 20:28

And there, and she just happens to be wearing like a brown face mask, like a chocolate face mask, which I also done as a kid. I had also a chocolate face mask, and now it's a kind of a picture that we can't even share. No, because it looks like I'm doing that face, but all I was doing was wearing a mud mask. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

There's a picture of you. Chocolate flavoured mud mask. Yeah. There's a picture of you and your mum, and your mum's got a very pink mud mask on, and you've got a very chocolate-coloured mud mask on this chocolate mud, doesn't it? Yeah. So what I've done is I basically crop that image and I've saved it in my phone, and every now and again I send it to you and go, don't behave. Otherwise, this is going public.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

It's it's it's it's one of those pictures that like genuinely could be incriminating, even though I'm six, seven in it. Like you just got this little smile on your face. I was well happy. It smelt like chocolate. Yeah. But the thing is, like, again, I wasn't, I didn't even have a concept of what blackface was then. You know, it's just a mud mask. And the same thing in Gilmore girls is that they're chilling on the sofa with mud masks on. They've cut the scene. Yeah. And I'm like, it doesn't, it's not, oh, that that's just that's not racism.

SPEAKER_03 21:32

No.

SPEAKER_00 21:32

It's just not. It's it's it's it's it's mud masks.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

People just seeing things on the surface and not understanding what they actually are.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

And I think if you actually ask the minority population that that could offend, if it offended them, I'm pretty certain they would say no.

SPEAKER_03 21:46

Well, there's there's another That's the problem. There's a TikTok video of um a guy who dresses in full uh in like Chi in Chinese culture um garb. I can't remember if I can't remember if it's Chinese or Japanese, I can't remember. But he actually walks down the street. In China and Japan, and he asked people, he says, Is this offensive what I'm wearing? And the population are going, No, you look great.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

Oh, right, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

It's like, no, you actually look really good. Yeah. You know, so it's it's when people get offended on behalf of other people.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Other people. That's the problem. That is the problem.

SPEAKER_03 22:16

Yeah, because to me, that's actually offensive because you're then saying that you're better than Yeah, that you can decide for them.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

Yeah, exactly. The same thing. Yeah. That's the same thing, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:26

It's the whole thing like with the Mexican hats in Pedros.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_03 22:30

I mean, just yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

It's so silly. It's so silly.

Britcoms Stand Up And Panel Shows

SPEAKER_03 22:34

So with the uh kind of after the Second World War, kind of post-war, we had a lot of satirical kind of TV shows come up. Black Addict. Black Addict, like yeah, the the that was the week that was in in the 60s, and that used humour to challenge political authority and comment on social issues. Then in the 70s and 80s, it challenged propaganda, I think. It really did, it really did. And in the 70s and 80s, we saw a significant rise in stand-up comedy. And this is where I started getting uh interested in comedy.

SPEAKER_00 23:07

This is more your uh era.

SPEAKER_03 23:09

I mean, we had things like the comedy store was a big was a big thing. And I'm gonna say some names now, and you'll immediately recognise them. Lenny Henry, Ben Elton, Rick Mail, Adrian Edmondson, Alexi Sale, French and Saunders.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Didn't Ben Elton have something to do with Black Adder, didn't he write? He wrote it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

Yeah, he wrote it.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

And Rick Male was drop dead Fred.

SPEAKER_03 23:28

Yes, he was indeed. He was indeed.

SPEAKER_00 23:29

Damn straight. And I've met Rick Mail. Have you? Yeah, did the Skyber Drama Festival. R.I.P. R.I.P.

SPEAKER_03 23:35

Yeah, yeah. He's a very, very nice guy. And then you've got the things like Fry and Laurie. Stephen Fry, who is an amazing man.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

He's a very intelligent man.

SPEAKER_03 23:44

He is. Because that's the other thing you know, is that comedians, especially stand-up comedians, are actually incredibly intelligent people.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

Yeah, I think that's what makes it funny.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Yeah. I mean, Stephen Fry, I would say he's probably one of the most intelligent people that we've got. I mean, I've spoken to him personally a couple of times, and he is so intelligent. I wonder what his IQ is.

unknown 24:04

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 24:06

Not that IQ is that good a test for intelligence, but I just wondered.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

Yeah, but he is an incredible and he's a lovely guy as well. He's tall.

SPEAKER_00 24:13

I hear yeah, I hear he's tall.

SPEAKER_03 24:15

He's massive.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Is he like six five, six, seven?

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Yeah, something like that. Yeah, very tall. Very, very, very big man. Very big man, but absolutely lovely. Really, really nice guy. Gentle giant. He really is. He really is. Um, so yeah, we things that were then born uh like with sitcoms, especially in the UK, things like the young ones. Uh, and then of course, but which when went on to bottom, uh, things like that. And then in the 1990s, we kind of had what we call the Britcom boom. Britcom boom? Britcom boom. And things like Absolutely Fabulous, The Office.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:51

Did you not like The Office? No. Thought it was very, very clever. Very clever. I wasn't a fan of the Office. French and Saunders. I don't know. Did you ever watch French and Saunders?

SPEAKER_00 24:58

No.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Absolutely fabulous as well. Never watched that. Probably a little bit too I'm too young. Too young for that. Um much too young. But you've heard of um I'll I'll tell you one comedy show which was absolutely genius was Father Ted.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

I've heard of Father Ted.

SPEAKER_03 25:14

Father Ted.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

I've heard of Father Ted.

SPEAKER_03 25:18

There's a there's a brilliant comedy s there's a brilliant um Is it religious satire? It is. Father Ted is Ted is a I hear he's a priest, he's an Irish priest, and there's this one scene, I hear you're a racist now, Father.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Ah, okay, okay, I get you.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

And there's one hilarious scene where Dougal, who's the Dougal, shall we say, is the character of Dougall is intellectually challenged. Okay, and then you've got Ted who is the the main priest. But they're all it's just yeah, it's very, very funny. But Dougal is in a milk float.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:52

Okay, and he's traveling, and of course, milk floats don't go very fast, do they? Like five miles an hour tops, and it's a take-on speed where he's not allowed to go below four miles an hour, otherwise the bomb will go off on the milk float, and you've got Ted knocking away all of the obstacles so that Dougal can carry on driving this milk float. And there's this brilliant bit where there's a load of boxes like in the road randomly, like there wouldn't be a pyramid of boxes in the road for any reason. And then you've got Ted just trying to take these boxes down before Dougal, he can just see the doing this. It's just ridiculous, but it is so, so, so funny. Um, you've heard of the Edinburgh Fringe Festival, haven't you? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, um, a lot of comedians, actually, especially stand-up comedians, they uh they they kind of got debuted there. Yeah, you got things at Darl O'Brien.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Oh, mock the week. Great show.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

See, that is the thing. When you put a load of comedians in a room, yeah, and you do something like eight out of ten cats.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

Yes. I love eight out of ten cats.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

And mock the week.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

I like Big Fat Quiz of the Year as well.

SPEAKER_03 26:56

Big Fat Quiz of the Year is an is another. Never mind the Buzz Cops. Never mind the Buzz Cops. Yeah, that's when it's you've got Taskmaster, Taskmaster, you've got comedians bouncing off each other.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:06

It is just absolutely hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

I find a lot of those shows funny when they all bounce off each other.

SPEAKER_03 27:12

They are very, very, very good. Um, yeah, and then of course in the 2010s, as we're coming up, we've got things like alternative platforms like The Last Leg. We've already said kind of mock the week. Uh one other comedy show which I absolutely adore, and I I just can't wait for the end of the year for it to come on. It's only over half an hour, but I just really look forward to it, is Charlie Brooker's Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Yeah, the screen wipe. Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_03 27:41

Because again, Charlie Brooker is another, as far as I'm concerned, genius of comedy.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Yeah, yeah. He does the Black Mirror stuff, doesn't he? He writes Black Mirror, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:48

He's he is an amazing writer.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

Um, one other show I just suddenly thought of was Russell Howard's Good News, which is obviously satirical of news. Yes, yeah. Um, very politically driven, and I think it's funny if you are more left-wing, I have to say, because he's a bit more left than he is right. I I find, or I used to find some of it like Mr. Long Legged Kleggy Waggy, oh, just stuff like that, and the goat when he's like, Yeah. Right, goat? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:17

There was actually one comedy show that I've missed off in the 80s, and that's this comedy show called Spitting Image, which you reminded me when you're saying about very politically charged. Yeah. Spitting Image was brilliant. Oh, okay. Brilliant. Actually, there was another show in the 80s as well when we talk about racial stereotypes, a show called Hello Hello.

SPEAKER_00 28:33

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is that the one with um Peggy Mitchell in it?

SPEAKER_03 28:37

No. Oh, no. But it was set in World War II, and you've got like the stereotypes of the of the you know the French, you've got the res resistance fighters, the two British airmen stuck up in the loft, they're hiding them.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Right.

SPEAKER_03 28:50

And then you've got the um, as it the fall of Madonna with the big boobies, which was the painting that they were always trying to find.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

But again, you couldn't show it now because it's so stereotypical.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:01

It's so stereotypical.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

I understand.

SPEAKER_03 29:03

Yeah. But then, of course, we do have uh people like John Bishop, Jack Whitehall, uh someone else.

SPEAKER_00 29:10

Jack Whitehall, when he gets drunk on F1, just the most hilarious thing in the world.

SPEAKER_03 29:15

That's great. You've got the likes of Sarah Milliken, who I find hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 29:18

Yep, Sarah Milliken, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Uh, and then you've you've got kind of then you've got the the offensive side of comedy, which is Frankie Boyle, Jimmy Carr, and uh Ricky Gervais to a degree.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

I'd say Ricky Javais, Ricky Javais as well.

SPEAKER_03 29:34

But they but they do explain it, and that's why why I do like them. Yeah because they explain, you know, yes, it's offensive, but we're doing it for a reason. We don't we don't actually mean this.

SPEAKER_00 29:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:45

We don't mean it, but we're saying it for another reason. Yeah. And it's it all comes to do with the the intent behind it.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

If you don't think of it as a literal meaning, if you don't think of it literally, it's funny.

What Makes Us Laugh

SPEAKER_03 29:57

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, but why what is it about comedy? You know, what what do you enjoy about comedy? I know you said it a little while ago, you don't really like it, but I don't like many comedy films.

SPEAKER_00 30:07

Like I'm not a massive fan of like everyone's always like, oh, watch The Hangover, or which I've watched.

SPEAKER_03 30:12

Again, but I don't find that funny, that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

Grown-ups, stuff like that. I just don't find those sort of comedy films. We both are not a fan of Will Farrell, like that kind of thing. I do like Ryan Reynolds. I think his humour is quite funny, but again, I think it's kind of very British in it in a way.

SPEAKER_03 30:27

Ryan Reynolds does a lot of improv in his films.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:30

So that cut you scene, he's probably done about five different takes of different things that he's tried out, and then they take the funniest bit.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

I also really enjoy Seth Rogan's humour.

SPEAKER_03 30:37

Seth Rogan's.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

I really enjoy his humour. I think he it's just kind of uh because I've been watching the TV show Ted from the films. I find the TV show a lot better.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:47

And I think with Ted, it's just so funny. It's the similar concept to in Buzzcocks when they have the lineup and they all say that guy looks like he would drive a bus or something like that, and it and he looks like a bus driver or something like that. I think in Ted they kind of just do that, but kind of over-exaggerated. And they do that in most mostly every episode there is one person they kind of pick on and and and they they rattle them off each other, and that's so funny to me. Um I think for comedy for me, it just has to be I I I I don't I don't want to say it has to be funny. It's not that, it's just that it I there has to be some sort of dryness to it for me to understand it.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

I don't like slapstick, I don't really like comedy films, but I would happily watch I like James Acaster, I think he's really funny because he's just so dry. And he I think James Acaster I find so funny because he says what I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

So it's almost like I have to it has to be relatable for me to be able to understand it.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Like Russell Howard, for example, there's a couple of things, the political side of things, that I don't really understand the jokes, but I find kind of the shouting goat quite funny because it's just off the cuff. So anything that's that takes me by surprise really makes me laugh.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

That's it. I like it. What makes me laugh? Yeah, it's the unpredictability of that.

SPEAKER_00 32:06

Well, I think that's why I like Bob Mortimer so much, is because you just don't know what's gonna come next. No. And it will just be completely random. Yeah, just randomly completely out there. I could not do last one laughing because I'd lose it.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

I would lose it. There's there's a brilliant tick there's a brilliant TikTok video I saw the other day, and it was Bob Mortimer. Yeah. And he's just he's just got his his phone like this looking at it, and he just goes, day six. And I'm still stuck under the antifreeze, and he's just got a top of anti-freeze on his leg. It's like I haven't been able to move for six days. He said, and that was the the worst thing is I even bought it myself. It's just like so random.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

Yeah, just like and I think it's that kind of humour that gets me. And I I think again, I like Richard Aoardi because it it's just he he says what I'm thinking. It's kind of that when it's so funny that I never forget that scene of the last one laughing when he enters the thing and someone goes to hug and him. He goes, No, I don't do hugs. And it's just so funny to me. It's just so like it it's it's just challenging those social norms, I guess, that just make me laugh so much because I'm the same and I don't like hugs. And I don't know if the real Richard Ayowardi, because I think he's playing, he plays a really good character.

SPEAKER_03 33:18

He plays an amazing character.

SPEAKER_00 33:19

Maybe he does like hugs, but for me, I find that so relatable, it's so funny.

SPEAKER_03 33:23

What gets me about Richard Ayowardi, because he is so good at it, it's when he cracks and you can see the this the corner of his mouth start to smile as though he's like, Alright, they've got me.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

Yeah, yeah. It's pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 33:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

I also someone we haven't mentioned as well, Noel Fielding, I find him hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 33:41

Noel Fielding is He's just had such an interesting life.

SPEAKER_00 33:44

I'd love to read his biography. Like I would I'd be so interested in that.

SPEAKER_03 33:48

So when he have you ever heard the story about when he ended up working in the charity shop?

unknown 33:53

No.

SPEAKER_03 33:54

This story. So is when they when they were filming The Mighty Boosh. Yeah. Right, which again is the moon. I'm old Greg. Old Greg is brilliant. But when they were filming the Mighty Boosh, and he went to a party and he met this girl and they went back to his place afterwards, and the next morning he she had to go to work, and he felt bad because she was gonna be late. So what he ended up doing was he ended up going to the charity shop with her, opening up the charity shop, and ended up working half the day in there to help her out. Apparently, everyone on the film with my mighty boosette was where's Noel? He's like, Well, I'm working in the charity shop.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

So funny.

SPEAKER_03 34:50

But there was there's funny. I mean, there was uh in Nevermind the Buzzcocks as well. They had they had Noel Fielding, Howard Marks, and Talisa on on the No Jamali. No Jamali. This is this was years ago. This was years ago, and uh I can't remember who was who was hosting it or who was hosting it at the time, but they they said uh they said something or whatever, and and Noel Fielding said, Well, he said, Well, Talisa's been up for 48 hours because she's been doing a music video. We've got Howard Marks, who's the biggest stoner in the world. He said, and you've got me, we're Team Fuzzy. He said, You're actually lucky, we're actually even facing the right way.

SPEAKER_00 35:26

I love Noel, I think he's funny. And Jamali gets me, he their dynamic is really good. Their dynamic is hilarious. I I love Jamali's again outlandish, so funny the things that he says. Yeah, and he's so blunt about it. I think I think again it's the bluntness for me. With with Richard Eowardi, it's the bluntness, it's the surprise, the element of surprise for me is just the funniest humour.

SPEAKER_03 35:48

Yeah. Yeah. There's uh I'll mention another comedian just as a guy called Bill Hicks.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

I've mentioned him a few times. I think he is an amazing comedian. He's American. Um, not that Matt doesn't know why. He's American, but Oh, shock horror. Yeah, he was a comedian in the 80s and he did uh he did a show called Revelation. Now I urge everyone to go and watch that show, that that stand-up skit. It's one of his last ones just before he died, and he tackles political social norms as well. He does this entire thing about drugs, which is absolutely brilliant. It's really, really good. And he yeah, it's just a very, very good show. It's an it's only an hour, but if you ever get the chance to see it, watch it. It is just genius. He was so far ahead of his time with challenging society's norms. He really was.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

I think we also need to mention Sean Locke.

SPEAKER_03 36:38

I was gonna leave him till last because out of all the comedians, yeah, that man was sheer genius.

SPEAKER_00 36:45

He was sheer genius, and his death really got me.

SPEAKER_03 36:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

Like when he died, I was so shocked. And there is nothing more funny that Sean Locke did than Carrot in the Box.

SPEAKER_03 36:56

Carrot in the Box was genius.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Him and John Robinson. Richardson, thank you. I think he said Robinson. Yeah, John Richardson. Uh John Richardson, again, another funny, very funny comedian. Um, but his it's just so funny. And uh please watch it if you haven't. It is one of the funniest things. Because there's part one and part two that he uh he does he does the carrot in a box, it's just it was a it's a game they came up with which is so ridiculous. It's just a bluffing game.

SPEAKER_03 37:25

It's a bluffing game. It's a bluffing game. But he did it so well, yeah, twice. Yeah, yeah. Someone else as well who we mentioned is Joe Wilkinson.

SPEAKER_00 37:31

Oh John Joe Wilkinson.

SPEAKER_03 37:32

I love Joe Wilkinson, I think he is absolutely hilarious.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

He's got this kind of vibe that he's just so it like lives in the bushes. I don't know what else to I don't know how else to describe it, but he just looks like he lives in a bush and he just comes out, they just get him out for like family events. That's how it feels.

SPEAKER_03 37:48

He he does so he does that random kind of comedy as well. I mean, when he was on Last One Laughing and he did his Joker and he was standing there and he just quoted a thing out of the R and L I, but it's one of the funniest things I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00 38:00

I couldn't, uh yeah, it's just he's very dry as well. Very dry. I think it's dry humour that I that I'm that I'm funny. So um what is I guess what is your favourite comedy show slash TV?

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Uh that's quite difficult. I don't really know.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

I think it's when comedians are all together. I like shows like Buzzcock, Mocks Mock the Week, 8 Out of Ten Cats. Like I love that side of things. I think that's that's the funniest for me. Um they're the ones I enjoy the most and want to go back to. Whereas I don't really enjoy I don't enjoy comedy films that much.

SPEAKER_03 38:36

No, I mean some of them are funny. I mean, we watched Fakam Hall the other day with Jimmy Carr, and he he wrote that with his brother, and that was actually very funny.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Yeah, I really want to watch that actually.

SPEAKER_03 38:45

Yeah, it is really good. Yeah. It is really good.

SPEAKER_00 38:47

Fackham Hall.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

Well, we've got it. We we ended up buying it because it was like so. If you wanted to watch it, you can watch around here. But it is it's very good.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Yeah, it's definitely on the list.

SPEAKER_03 38:56

But what Jimmy Carr does in that is he's uh so for instance, he's he's he plays the person.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

I get the impression that Jimmy Carr might be your favourite comedian, the mount you've mentioned him during the show.

SPEAKER_03 39:05

I what I like about Jimmy Carr, I don't find him overly funny, but I like the psychology behind him. Okay, and he's actually a very intelligent and he's actually a lovely guy.

SPEAKER_00 39:14

Yeah, he sees.

SPEAKER_03 39:16

You know, when he does his or when he does his audience work.

SPEAKER_00 39:18

I've noticed that. Like he'll he'll be.

SPEAKER_03 39:20

He's actually sweet and he's very respectful.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Really respectful of the hecklers for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:27

He really is. And you know, there's there's one there's one scene where I can't remember what it was, but I think his I think a guy went to see him and his wife wanted to see him, so he but she died before he went.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:42

And Jimmy got him up on stage, because then he said about the the whole thing about, you know, you die twice.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 39:47

So he said, you know, you die when when you die, but you also die when somebody says your name for the last time. And what Jimmy did was he made him say her name on camera. Yeah. So she was immortalised.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

Yeah, yeah. Just little things like that. It's is he is very sweet like that. He's definitely got he's a dad as well, isn't he? Yeah, I'm pretty sad he's got children. Yeah, he is. You know, and I just think, yeah, he's he's a really he's just a class act, really, just all the way through. Even if his jokes are offensive, I just think he's just a nice guy. But I think that's kind of what makes him so good. Yes, the tax evasion thing people were pretty annoyed about, yeah, but he came on and he was just like, Yeah, I did it, I'm sorry. Yeah, and it and and I think the fact that he was just so blatantly like, yeah, I tried it.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

On eight out of ten cats, that the day are all the same. Sean Locke was where that happened. And Sean Locke, so and j Jimmy Carr just looked at Sean Locke and Sean Locke just smiled. That's all he had to do was smile and everybody lost it.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

He just knew what was coming. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

You just knew it and he really just owned up to it. It was just like, yeah, I did that.

SPEAKER_03 40:47

Yeah, he did. And he still does it now. He still, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:50

I mean, wouldn't you though like to avoid paying for tax? Well, it was his accountant. Yeah. It was actually legal.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

What he did was legal. It was legal, it's just immoral. It's ethically. Ethically was immoral. I mean, there was one type of humour we've not mentioned. And we've kind of mentioned it with the Mighty Boosh, the surreal humour.

SPEAKER_00 41:08

Yeah, it's it's not it's not the most I don't find it the most appealing. Like, I think Mighty Boosh is funny, but I it's not the funniest thing I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_03 41:17

I find Might Mighty Boosh is hilarious to me.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

Yeah, you find it really funny.

SPEAKER_03 41:20

I quite like Monty Python as well.

SPEAKER_00 41:22

Yeah, you also like um what we did in the shadows and stuff like that. I love that show.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

Yeah, what we did in the shadows.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Yeah, it's not that's not my type of humour. Yeah, again, not my type of humour.

SPEAKER_03 41:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:32

But I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 41:33

I think one of the reasons why I like it is because when I when I did go to drama school and I studied it, there's uh there's three practitioners that I studied. One was um Stanislavsky, which was very naturalistic acting, the other one was Bertolt Brecht, and the one that I enjoyed the most was Antonin Artaude, and Artaude was theatre of the absurd.

SPEAKER_00 41:52

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

And I really enjoyed doing the absurd theatre stuff, it was really good, and that that surreal comedy plays into that.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

So I I I I respect it for what it is, really. Okay. For what it is.

SPEAKER_00 42:03

Yeah, I know what you mean.

Dark Humour Games And Friend Banter

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Yeah. Um, do you all do you often tell a joke though, Hannah?

SPEAKER_00 42:07

Do you like telling a joke? I mean, I try on the podcast every single episode. I try and squeeze something in that I find I think is funny.

SPEAKER_03 42:14

Um you are quite funny.

SPEAKER_00 42:16

Well, I don't know if I am. I don't I don't think I am funny, but people do laugh about the dry stuff that comes out of my mouth sometimes. So I guess I am funny, but I don't know I'm funny.

SPEAKER_03 42:26

It was what did you send me the other day on text again? I can't, but it is you you are very quick witted, especially when it comes to being sarcastic with me. You are incredibly quick witted.

SPEAKER_00 42:37

Which is funny because I really struggle to detect sarcasm in other people. I like I've often said to Mitchell, like, your siblings are really horrible to you. It's like, no, no, no. That's a joke, that's funny. And I'm like, I don't find that funny. Like it sounds like you're like really mean to each other. But then my sarcasm is like very much like I don't know. If I I'll I'll I think a lot outside the box. I think I'm not very sometimes I don't always see it at face value. I I think I see that a lot. Like I'm I'm not very good at I think there is some sort of autism in me somewhere because I can't always detect like uh the nuance of the conversation, but over text, I feel like I'm funnier.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

Well, I I have a very sarcastic humour with my friends. And this is quite well known is that if I take the mick out of you, it's because I like you.

SPEAKER_00 43:23

Yeah, I think I think that's kind of the the the difference, isn't it? I think you joke among friends. Like there's some things that I would say to my friends that I would never say out loud in another setting because I know that my friends know I'm not being serious.

SPEAKER_03 43:35

Yeah, I know my audience as well.

SPEAKER_00 43:37

You know your audience, yeah. I think I think that's where comedy comes into play a lot is that sometimes it's the safe space or the confidence to do stuff. Like when we play Quiplash and things on uh online uh jackbox games, like I will say some hideous stuff that I would never say. Cards against humanity, another one that you would I love cards against humanity.

SPEAKER_03 43:56

Because again, the reason why cards against humanity is so funny is because it random You don't know what's coming out. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:02

Like, I will never forget, maybe she's born with it, maybe it's backwards knee. Was the funniest thing that Mitchell has ever said. I was crying my eyes out. Because it rhymed as well. Like it's just so happened that that card came out. Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's backward sneeze. Oh, just so freaking funny. But the thing is, again with Cards Humanity, what I get annoyed about is like Madeline McCann is the Trump card. Yeah. Bigger blacker dick is the trump card. Yeah, but we kind of noise.

SPEAKER_03 44:31

Trump card. It's it's not really, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 44:33

No, it's not. There are funnier things. But um, but yeah, yeah, that could be quite offensive.

SPEAKER_03 44:38

I mean, I can be quite dark sometimes with myself.

SPEAKER_00 44:41

Your your humour can be quite dark. I've got a colleague at work who's got quite dark humour as well, and I'm like, whoa, yeah, sometimes mine is a coping mechanism. I laugh at it, but it's more like like I know I shouldn't be laughing at this, like I'm going to hell for laughing at this, but it is quite funny.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:59

Yeah, so I yeah, I can but also I I do say some things. I'm quite quick witted in some things that I say, and sometimes it just comes out. Uh I mean, I mean, taste the penis was probably one of my finest moments.

unknown 45:12

God.

SPEAKER_00 45:13

Yeah. I'll pork your oven was a funny one from you. I'll pork your oven. Oh god. No. That was in front of Michy, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 45:23

Yeah, it was, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

Hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 45:25

Yeah, brilliant. But anyway. Anyway, anyway, anyway, we we rattled on quite a lot. I didn't even get to really talk about the psychology of uh comedy. No.

SPEAKER_00 45:35

I thought that was the end. Uh no. I saw the word conclusion and I thought. Oh, there's more.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

There's more. I wrote loads of stuff. I wrote loads of.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Do you want to do a two-parter? We could do. Is it interesting enough?

SPEAKER_03 45:47

Uh no, it's more about psychology, which we kind of discussed slightly.

Closing And How To Support

SPEAKER_00 45:51

Yeah, okay. We'll leave it there then. We'll leave it there. Well, we hope you enjoyed this episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter Comedy Edition. We hope you found it funny, above all things. We weren't actually that funny. No, we weren't.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

No.

SPEAKER_00 46:02

But yeah, this episode was dedicated to Mark. Um, and uh yeah, we um we wanted to do that because it felt right. Um so yes, join us for other podcast episodes. So we've got plenty in the bank and um cute outro. Thanks for joining us on bonus dad, bonus daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye bye.