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What if the story of music isn’t just about sound, but about how we hold it? We jump from campfires to gramophones, from crackly vinyl to clean CDs, from bedroom mixtapes to algorithmic playlists, and ask a simple question: did convenience cost us connection?

We start with the thrill of early recording—Edison’s phonograph and the gramophone’s shellac discs—then tune into radio’s power to make songs communal. Vinyl brings ritual and identity, sleeves as art, and turntables as instruments. Cassettes compress that magic into a pocket, birthing the mixtape and the Walkman’s private world. CDs promise clarity and durability, while hi‑fi towers become the pride of the living room. Then the ground shifts: MP3 compression makes sharing effortless, Napster detonates distribution, and iTunes tries to sell simplicity back to us at 99p a track.

Streaming reframes everything. Spotify, Apple Music, and Deezer swap ownership for access, with personalised playlists, discovery engines, and smart speakers putting music everywhere. It’s frictionless and addictive. But we pull back the curtain on payouts, how fractions of a penny reach artists, why podcasters often earn nothing, and what creators lose when platforms hold the keys. We balance nostalgia with practicality, laugh about pencil rewinds and ghetto blasters, and explore what might come next: AI voice clones, VR residencies, and hologram shows that let new generations “see” legends they missed.

If you care about how you listen—and who gets paid when you do—this conversation is for you. Hit follow, share with a friend who loves music history and tech, and leave a review with your first music format: vinyl, tape, CD, or stream. Your stories might make the next show.

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SPEAKER_07:

Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad.

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Bonus Daughter, a special father-daughter podcast with me, Hannah.

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And me, Davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world.

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Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view. And influences throughout the decades.

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Or you could choose one by contacting us.

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Via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. Today we're going to talk about Music Media.

SPEAKER_07:

We are indeed a Music Media.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a Saturday, it feels really weird.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, it really does feel weird because we are actually recording on a Saturday and not a Sunday because I've got to go into work tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00:

It it's it's made me think prematurely it's the end of the week, and that upsets me because I'm like, oh, work tomorrow. Oh Monday, Garfield. I hate Mondays.

SPEAKER_07:

Actually, you say that. I remember when I was a kid, right? And it would get to like Sunday night, and we used to see like when when Pryro Pryro Poirot used to come on. Okay. And that used to come on like sort of like eight o'clock, I think it was. I hated it because it meant that I had to go to bed because I got up for school.

SPEAKER_00:

School in the morning. Yeah. And we still think about that as adults well.

SPEAKER_07:

But I don't but Pyro's not on anymore.

SPEAKER_00:

What is Pyro? Pyro.

SPEAKER_07:

It was like um Hercule Poirot. He was like a French detective.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, cool.

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Yeah, it was like uh like you know, like Miss Marple, all that kind of bollocks.

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Um don't mince your words.

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Did you did you did you ever watch any? There was anything that you used to watch on telly that used to be on where you used to think, oh, I don't like this because I've got to go to school the next day.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I mean I used to watch Simpsons every day at 6 pm.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, you did actually, yeah.

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And I used to record it, didn't I, if I if I missed it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I was every single day I used to watch that at 6 pm. That is the only thing I ever remember actually uh like actually watching.

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What Simpsons?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like recurringly, yeah. Mum always had neighbours on.

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Oh god, neighbours do you know that's still going?

SPEAKER_00:

Is it really?

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But it's still going.

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They tried to get rid of it and then for one and then.

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Yeah, they tried to get rid of it and now it's on Prime. So and she still watches it.

SPEAKER_00:

That and Is it still Australian?

SPEAKER_07:

Oh yeah, she's she's obsessed with Australia. I mean, ev she watches everything Australia. It's like Australian Master Chef. We're now on Survivor.

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Is she going next year?

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Yeah, next year she's going. I ain't going.

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You know, I I had a feeling you wouldn't be. I'm not going.

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No, it's it's not that I don't girl trip. Yeah, it's not that I don't like Australia. It's just, you know, it's just I want to live.

SPEAKER_00:

You don't like all the things that live in Australia. There are things that, you know, every animals, not the people. No, the people the people are cool. I like the people. Let's not paint you out to be a racist. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_07:

The people are really cool. I mean, I like the people, you know, and I've actually got family over there as well. But but I draw the line at spiders the size of cars.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think they're quite that big.

SPEAKER_07:

They are huge.

SPEAKER_00:

But they're not the size of cars.

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They're massive, right? And they want to kill you, and everything over there wants to kill you. I mean, have you seen the kangaroos? Have you seen them?

SPEAKER_00:

Like massive. They are jacked up. They are playing. They are on the right, I'm sure of it.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, and they've seen that footage of the kangaroos like in the water where they try to beckon you in to drown you.

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They're like sirens. They are. The sirens of the deep w West.

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It's like, I mean, you you know I'm not a religious person, you know I don't believe in God, right? Oh, we're fully aware of that far. Okay, so let's let's just take, let's just say for for an instance, there was a God, right? There was a God. Right. And and God just went, do you know what? I'm gonna create every single dangerous animal I can think of and put them on one continent, and that was Australia. Right, you think that's what happened? I think exactly that's what happened. He's gone on day six. Yeah, I've really messed up here because these these are some pretty dangerous animals. What am I gonna do? I know, I'll put them all in one place so I can keep an eye on them. And we go there on holiday.

SPEAKER_00:

Maybe the Garden of Eden was in Australia because wasn't Eve tempted by the snake?

SPEAKER_07:

She was indeed. Yes, she was. Have I cracked it? Probably.

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Yeah. Let's go.

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You know the you know the um story of the Garden of Eden that comes up in other religions as well.

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I mean, of course it does. Like the Garden of Eden. They're all a copy of each other. We know this. The that landlord game was the original Monopoly.

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It was indeed.

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Heretic, we we know this.

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Yes, great film. Oh, you watched that, didn't you, with me? With you. You watched that with me, yeah. It's good, it's a brilliant film, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00:

Anyway, what what it was better than Parasite.

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Yes. Um, what are we talking about? What what's the this episode? Because I've already tangented.

SPEAKER_00:

You've already gone off to Australia. Yeah, exactly. Um we're talking about music media today.

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Oh, we are indeed. And the different types of music media all the way through the ages.

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Fantastic news.

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Have you read this script? No. No, of course you haven't.

SPEAKER_00:

Hey, we're recording two episodes that I have written today. This just happens to not be one of them.

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Actually, to be fair as well, one of the episodes that you've written I haven't looked at for a very good reason.

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Dum dum dum dum dum.

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Um, but we'll come on to that when it's that episode.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that would make more logical sense. Let's talk about music media, father.

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Okay, sorry, daughter. Uh so yeah, we're gonna talk today about how the way that we consume music has kind of dramatically changed throughout the ages.

SPEAKER_00:

How we munch it.

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Indeed. And in fact, it's kind of, shall we say, escalated. I don't know if that's the right word. Even in the past kind of 20 years of evolved. Evolved is the better word. That's the better word. You you're proper looking at music.

SPEAKER_00:

I I don't know what's going on with you. I feel like you're just using all the wrong words. I feel like the intelligent one among us today.

SPEAKER_07:

It's because it's Saturday and I'm all out of sync. I'm all out of source.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm only intelligent on Sundays. Saturdays are my day. Let's go.

SPEAKER_07:

So music, music has actually been around since the dawn of time, has it not?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

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Yes.

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Can you believe there are people in this world that don't like music?

SPEAKER_06:

No, I don't think that's a thing.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't understand. It must be a mental illness.

SPEAKER_06:

Not to be rude or horrible, but I don't think that's a thing.

SPEAKER_00:

I find it really difficult that people that there are people in this world that don't care to listen to music. Like what do they do when it's quiet?

SPEAKER_07:

Oh well, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

Do they think?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

They think?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. I had a conversation again the other day about the whole inner monologue thing.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, and someone just could not believe that I don't have an inner monologue.

SPEAKER_00:

No, neither do I.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, it's just weird. I don't know. Um, so anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

We're in the minority of that though.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Loads of people have just gone, huh?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Like you don't hear voices in your head? No.

SPEAKER_00:

No, that sounds like schizophrenia to me. I just I see pictures.

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It's it's bizarre.

SPEAKER_00:

Any whole movie up here without words.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Um so before like the 19th century, so the 1800s. Sorry, yeah, back on track. Back on track. We basically, there was no way to record music. So you had to go to a live performance to hear any type of music. So And when I say live performance, I don't mean like just a concert. I mean it would be, when I say performance, it could be any arena whatsoever. So it could be around a campfire, it could be in the village, it could be.

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So do you think people would go to say like, I don't know, I can't think of an artist of that time because Mozart. Mozart. Okay, let's go with Mozart then. Yeah. You go to a Mozart concert, do you think people in the next day were just like, you know, when you like relive your like festival moments and the next day they're like, hmm? Yeah, I think they did. Like Fur Elise cracking it out in the morning, like Waitan's fifth. Just cracking it out in the morning, like whilst whilst they're recovering from their cocaine high. Fur Elise. Do you think they hum it to each other?

SPEAKER_07:

Actually, did you see uh did I share that with you on Facebook the other day? The uh could be anything. Yeah, they were talking about cocaine, about the uh Coca-Cola when it was when it was first made and contained cocaine and morphine and caffeine and all that.

SPEAKER_00:

Sounds like the best drink ever. Exactly. What a cocktail.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, people got a lot of shit done.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I bet they did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Um, anyway, back to music.

SPEAKER_00:

Why do we keep her off on tangent? This is like tangent episodes.

SPEAKER_07:

It's because it's Saturday.

SPEAKER_00:

It's also the first episode of the day. We're not quite warmed up.

SPEAKER_07:

We're not at all. We're really not. But yeah, before so before in the 19th century, there was there was no recorded music or no recorded sound. There was there was no way to do it. You couldn't do it. I mean, there was there was nothing, so you had to go to a live performance of sorts or listen to music live. So there's no production, everything was done completely live. Um I suppose the only way that you could kind of distribute any type of music would be through sheet music.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You know.

SPEAKER_00:

I know, I know, I can't remember what time we might come on to this. In fact, I think we are. Um the the where they punch the hole in the bit of paper, and then that paper feeds through a machine.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, like the piano.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Like the piano.

SPEAKER_07:

I suppose you could you could argue that was the earliest form.

SPEAKER_00:

Form, but that's what I'm thinking. Like it was the whole punch, it it was like pre I don't know if pre-recorded is the right phrasing, but pre- Designed. Created.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, pre-created, yeah. Music, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you're that's the only thing I can think of.

SPEAKER_07:

You're right. So you'd have the piano in the in the room, you'd put the the paper in and it would play and it would automate.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it would automate the keys.

SPEAKER_07:

When you think about it, that's actually a really clever piece of ingenuity, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00:

It's a very like that's getting onto like automatron. Yeah.

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Fresh cut grass.

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Yes.

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Critical role.

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Right. Okay.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Um the my experience of that, by the way, that that mechanism is um Mitchell and I went to Alton Towers when the stargazing pods were first opened for the first time. Oh yeah. We went in, I think it was either it was either end of the season or start of the season. I can't remember which way around it was. And there was this, so we were staying in the stargazing pods, and there was like this basically this TP entertainment tent. Yeah. And we went in there and there was a guy with his guitar, like, you know, obviously doing an act of some sort, doing covers basically at Alton Towers.

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Yeah.

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And um, inside the tent before he played during his intermission and then after, this piano would play by itself.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

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And I was like, how does that work? And it was see-through, and you could see the paper inside.

SPEAKER_07:

It was so cool. I think the first time I saw one of those was probably like in a haunted house.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. You know, because they would, you know, then the I imagine the guy that created that was like, you know, what's a really good use case for this? Let's f people up. Like let's let's let's make them feel like that that piano is playing by itself.

SPEAKER_07:

Let's scare the shit out of them.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I wonder if that was his like use case for that. I bet it wasn't. People are gonna use this too. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

But you only think about how that works. So you've got to get the spacing exactly right, as well as the actual so that must have been a laborious task.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, no, because sheet music is the same thing, is it not? With the the brakes, the stressors, the beats, the bars. It's the same principle, except you're instead of laying it out uh left to right, you're laying it up to down.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, you're right. You're right. So no. And I suppose you could even mass produce it as well, couldn't you?

SPEAKER_00:

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_07:

So you just put it on like on a like some kind of press. I mean, I don't know if this is how it worked, but you put it on like a press and it jump all the little holes through.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, you could do several bits of paper at once.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, and almost like a guillotine.

SPEAKER_00:

C sharp.

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B sharp.

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Doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_07:

No, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_00:

Neither does E flat.

SPEAKER_07:

No, it doesn't. Or F flat. No, F sharp. E sharp. E sharp doesn't exist.

SPEAKER_00:

You can't have E sharp and E flat.

SPEAKER_07:

No, E sharp doesn't. There's no E flat. There's no there's no thing between E and F and B and C.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

B sharp, so there's no C flat?

SPEAKER_07:

Well, theoretically, E sharp is F. I mean it's Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, theoretically, yeah. But in the early 1900s, there was a man by the name of Thomas Edison. Never heard of him? Never heard of Thomas Edison?

SPEAKER_00:

No, never. Not once. Not once has he ever come up in conversation.

SPEAKER_07:

Really?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, really.

SPEAKER_07:

You've heard of Thomas Edison. Oh no, oh Hannah.

SPEAKER_00:

Did you seriously think I'd never heard of Thomas Edison?

SPEAKER_07:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00:

You don't know? I feel like that is a poorer reflection on me than it is you.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, it really is. And that was in 1871.

SPEAKER_00:

I know. What? I am shocked that you don't realise that I know who Thomas Edison is.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a weird Saturday for you, isn't it? It really is. This is a weird time for you.

SPEAKER_07:

It really is weird. It's Saturday morning. This is very strange. So yeah, so Thomas Edison in 1877, he invented the phonograph, which could both record and play back sound on tin foil cylinders.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. So instead of paper, they had the tin foil cylinders instead that had the markers in them. So it was just a rolling. But I imagine the longer the song, the the larger the tin reel. Yeah it would have to be. I don't know what the the coil or I don't know what the word is.

SPEAKER_07:

So yeah, so it's it's like uh it's it's like uh uh the the next lesson. Oh yeah, he's very good. He's very clever that bloke.

SPEAKER_06:

Very, very clever.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. And then uh ten years later, there was a guy by the name well oh I say it's a guy, I don't know if it's male or female, Emile Belina developed the gramophone. Remember the gramophone? Uh I don't No, but you've seen pictures of the game.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah, I know what a gramophone looks like. Again, something that I that I'm aware of in this world that apparently you don't realise that I'm aware of.

SPEAKER_07:

Do you remember the old HMV? The dog with the gramophone. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_00:

The old HMV. I think that's I'm pretty certain that's still its logo.

SPEAKER_07:

No, I mean as in I don't is HMV still going.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but in a one-way or thought, isn't it? Yeah, do you know what HMV stands for? Home movie. Nope. Home Nope. Mmm. Hire Hermit.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00:

Her no wrong gender. Harriet Wrong gender.

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You went her, wrong gender.

SPEAKER_00:

Hermione.

SPEAKER_07:

No, switch the other the other gender. Instead of her.

SPEAKER_00:

His his music. No.

SPEAKER_07:

His master's voice.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

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Yeah, his master's voice. Because of the dog.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh the dog. I get it.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, the dog. Yeah. So create so that was uh 1887, developed the gramophone using flat shellac records. So it's early. It's early vinyl. Early vinyl.

SPEAKER_00:

Shellac sounds like a type of car.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. I read that and I thought it said Cadillac. I read that and I thought it said Shellay for some reason.

SPEAKER_00:

There's no eye in there.

SPEAKER_07:

No.

SPEAKER_00:

Shellac.

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Shellac.

SPEAKER_00:

I feel like I've heard of Shellac Records. Shellac.

SPEAKER_07:

That sounds like a really cool um what's the name?

SPEAKER_00:

It sounds like a car, like Cadillac, but Shellac.

SPEAKER_07:

No, Shellac Records sounds like a good kind of like a record company.

SPEAKER_00:

It probably is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. And that meant that people could then listen to music without live performances.

SPEAKER_00:

They could buy the stuff like that. What time to be alive.

SPEAKER_07:

I know, so that that's as late as 1877.

SPEAKER_00:

1877.

SPEAKER_07:

So there's only 150 years ago.

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1887.

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1887, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Only 150 years. So it's only been in the last 150 years that we've been able to listen to music without a live performance, like recorded music. It's not that long when you think about how long humans have been alive. Homans. Humans have been alive. And then it was like that until the 1920s.

SPEAKER_00:

Whoa. We're not even in your time yet.

SPEAKER_07:

We're not even close to my time yet.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, we're getting there.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, okay. So in the 1920s, we yeah, there was commercial radio broadcasts free music to the masses.

SPEAKER_00:

Yay!

SPEAKER_07:

So you would listen to listen to the the wireless.

SPEAKER_00:

Early days Spotify.

SPEAKER_07:

Early days Spotify, yeah. Early days. Except you couldn't skip and put it on.

SPEAKER_00:

Or non did it. Oh, did they have adverts? They might have had adverts. I was about to say, oh they didn't have adverts, but actually they probably did like local ones. Like shoeshine. I don't know. It feels like a thing that they would have at that time. Shoe shine. Shoeshine. Shoeshine. I don't know. Things, yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. So the the then between the period of the 1920s to the 1950s, that's when vinyl was then created.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes.

SPEAKER_07:

So vinyl records, LPs and 45s. You know L LP stands for long play. Uh EP stands for extended play. Yes, and then singles. Um and it was Columbia and RCA Records who uh introduced those.

SPEAKER_00:

Dum bum bum bada bum bump bump.

SPEAKER_07:

What that also did was improve the sound quality.

SPEAKER_00:

Bam! And people say there is no uh better sound quality than vinyl. Yeah, I I mean hard disagree myself, but I mmm is people like that sound of the Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

It is it it the sound of vinyl is quite nostalgic, but obviously knowing a little bit about sound production and how the sound it's yeah it's not great. It's yeah. Um but jukeboxes were invented then as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yes. I wonder how many coins it was to play in a jukebox compared to nowaday coinage. Shall I find out?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Carry on.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, so I remember did did did you have a vi um no? I don't think we ever had a record player when you were alive.

SPEAKER_00:

When I was alive. Um no, I I have I have never owned a record player family. The only person that I know had a record player was my grandmother.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But that's not not mum's mum, dad's mum. To play one song on the first jukebox, it cost one nickel, which is a five cent coin. Oh, there you go. Five cents. Five cents. What is it now like? I think in Ed's Easy Diner it's 20 Ps.

SPEAKER_07:

Ed's Easy Diner.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, they had they had sorry, let me explain. Ed's Easy Diner, they used to have uh small jukeboxes on the tables.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think they had any purpose or function, but they played the music on the intercom. So yeah. Yeah. But they're 20p.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh god, we used to.

SPEAKER_00:

Inflation, am I right?

SPEAKER_07:

When I was when I was a kid, we used to have uh so we'd have like the high-fied towers things. So you'd have a record player on the top, yeah, and then you would have you'd have an amp, uh, tape deck, sometimes two tape decks. Uh then you'd have the equalizer as well with the you could do the manual equalizer with the EQ. Um travel based. Yeah, all and the and radio would be that and all be massive, great big thing in the cabinet.

SPEAKER_00:

But the record player You definitely had one of well, I don't know about the record player on top part, but I do remember a long unit of things.

SPEAKER_07:

You could you could buy them in separates, like separate ones and build and build your own, as yeah, sack them and build your own, or you bought them as uh bought them as one.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Um, but I remember the the record player. I mean, that's the other thing as well. The record players that you buy now, I mean, they seem really flimsy and really, really rubbish. But obviously, when I was DJing and I had my uh Technics 1210s, I mean, that was a solid direct drive turntable because you just get you get belt drives and direct drives.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_07:

So direct drives, the difference between direct drive and a belt drive is a direct drive will because you've got 45 and 33 and a third RPM revolutions per minute of the of the of the vinyl. So if it was a single, a small one, you'd play at 45. Right. If it was uh an album or an LP, it would play at 33 and a third.

SPEAKER_00:

So small.

SPEAKER_07:

Now a direct drive meant as soon as you turned it on, it would start at that speed.

SPEAKER_00:

Right, okay.

SPEAKER_07:

It was like straight in at 45 or 33 and a third.

SPEAKER_00:

Right.

SPEAKER_07:

Now, if you had a belt drive, which new marks were, and I did have a belt drive at one point, they went and wound up to that speed. Oh so when you were DJing, I mean direct drives were like you would you would hold you'd beat match, yeah, and then you would just let go, and you know it would be in that in that that same speed. But with a belt drive, you couldn't so of course it immediately went out of time straight away. So you used to do what so what you would do, and that's when you'd have your headphones and you'd do it, and then you'd be listening to that, and you'd then old star like Yeah, I get you. Yeah, but what I used to do is I used to give it a little push. It never worked, but you know, it's just just trying to have it. Just out of having, just give it a little push. But yeah, that was the the old the old vinyl. I mean, I love I mean I love mixing on vinyl. Love mixing on vinyl. But I remember when I was a kid as well, when we would have the singles, like the 45s, some of them would have a bigger hole in the middle, and you just have a plastic insert to put in the middle of the actual 45 to actually go onto the and you pop it out and use it on another one and another one. But because you know in jukeboxes you've got the bigger section in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I see, it was like a converter.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, you never really kind of grew up with vinyl, did you?

SPEAKER_00:

No, not really. It was it was before my time. Yeah. I i it uh vinyls had well and truly passed bad time because the the first thing I re ever remember playing music on was a tape.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Tape in the car. And even then, even having a tape in the car, I was definitely more CD revolution than I was tape. Tape was again towards the start of my childhood as opposed to the end. So yeah, CDs was my like the first media music media I ever bought was a CD.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean there really is something about going into a music shop and buying a big album. You know, it's just I just remember you go to Andy's Records in Lincoln. It was Andy's Records in Lincoln, and you I I remember going in there and buying They Might Be Giants. You know, Flood on vinyl.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm your only friend, I'm not your only friend, but I'm a little glowing friend, but really I'm not actually your friend, but I am. Is that song? No.

SPEAKER_00:

Scandalous. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03:

Make a little birdhouse in your soul. Say, I'm the only being you have it. Put a little bird house in your soul while you're at it. Leave the night light on and find the birdhouse in your soul.

SPEAKER_00:

I do know that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Oh yeah, I remember going and being really excited because the new They Might Be Giants help them come out. I remember walking out of Andy's records with a big carrier bag with the I bet you used to line up and cue for that shit.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

And you used to go in and like pick the records and then go and play them in the in there, there'd be record players in there as well that you could play.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you know what Mitchell and I did this week? We waited for something to land on Spotify.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh, was it the there was some that was something who just released a new album?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, for us it was Fickle Friends, and I don't think you know who they are. Uh huge fans. Um but yeah, like we we didn't have to go to a store or anything, we didn't the comfort of our own home. We just briskly on our phone.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, because where I lived in Sleaford, we didn't have a record shop.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

So I literally had to get on a train to Lincoln to get it. So that was yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Dedication.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I used to love I used to love record shop. Just go in the shop and just file through all the the vinyls. Just something. I think that's what it is. I think it's just that nostalgic kind of the flipping through. Yeah, I would like a record player, actually.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah?

SPEAKER_07:

I would like one, but I don't think like I say, I just don't like the I wouldn't like to buy you one because I wouldn't know what's good quality. No, I mean if I was to get one, I would get like a a decent techniques.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, technically I mean, but they gotta go for a thousand pounds each, they do, I think at the moment.

SPEAKER_00:

So not in my budget.

SPEAKER_07:

No. Um so moving on from vinyl.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's go to tape.

SPEAKER_07:

We then had tapes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It it it's crazy to me that tapes it says the tape revolution was the 1950s to the 1970s.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But I still remember tapes in the nineties.

SPEAKER_07:

That was when tapes were kind of started first coming out. I mean, you think the vinyl, it says there's 1920s, nineteen fifties, but vinyl was still around in the nineties.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You know, same with tape. I mean, at one point there was you could get it on vinyl, tape, and probably yeah, you get you could have all three. And some some things I did actually have in all three mediums.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Like the levelers albums, I had the vinyl, I had the tape, and then later on I bought the C D as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Why?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, exactly. And now I yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And now you have it on Spotify.

SPEAKER_07:

Now I have it on Spotify, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And you like songs.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. But the thing, oh, the thing is about tapes. Well, I think about pencil and the pencil. Pencil, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah. I remember they were really easy to f up. Oh, they they're just out of all of the mediums, compared to even vinyl, I guess vinyl, they were like, let's try and make something smaller and compact. I kind of get where they were going with. But I like how they went back to kind of that disc shape.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Because they went for the tape and they were like, ah, yes, we have we have made an error here. These are awful.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, we used to have I mean I I never used to have them, but there were there were things called eight tracks as well. And they were they were like these cartridges that you would slot into the top of a machine.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh yeah, they they that doesn't ring a bell to me at all.

SPEAKER_07:

Um my grandmother had eight tracks.

SPEAKER_00:

And I assume it contained only eight tracks. Yeah, so not a full album then.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh Frank's and Archer. Oh, I see, I see. Um yeah, so but yeah, the the pencil in the in the tapes. Yeah, I remember I remember doing that as a kid.

SPEAKER_00:

My karaoke machine growing up. Do you remember Bird's Cottage?

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I had a karaoke machine, that was tapes. I think it was tape in the bottom, maybe CD on top.

SPEAKER_07:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

I seem to recall that, but the karaoke actual thing was a couple of things.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah, it was. Yeah, it was, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And it had uh a microphone with it, maybe two microphones with it. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah, so cassette tapes. Yeah, that my first car had a cassette tape, even my first car had it was an X-reg.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

At Peugeot 106.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. But they did use they and I remember as well, because you would um because how you would how they would be able to record because you used to buy blank tapes as well. And we did that. I mean, that's the first kind of form of pirating.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because I seem to remember like uh Uncle Terry specifically owning, like he used to record like the top what, 40 or top 100 hits or whatever.

SPEAKER_07:

We do that on the radio on a Sunday.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so what's cool about that is you get to hear all of the old adverts as well. It's really cool. But yeah, something that is just kind of lost on the younger generation.

SPEAKER_07:

And we used to make mixtapes as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, I made mixed CDs, not mixed tapes, but mixed CDs for sure for the car again. Um when I went from my Peugeot to my KA. That was when the CD changer thing came in, and I was like, I'm gonna make myself some like so I had a rock mix and I had a rather than having a playlist, it was like rock mix of like 15 songs. And yeah, I remember burning your CDs on the um I still got a load of CDs, like blank CDs. Yeah, I I found a load of mine the other day actually as well.

SPEAKER_07:

But on the tapes, you used to have in the top, and on the top of the tape, there was like these these little flaps and you used to break them. When you break the flaps, it means you couldn't then record over them. Yes. But what you could do was use cellar tape. Yes. Cellar tape over the top to record to re-record over them. But I yeah, I remember if you were really lucky.

SPEAKER_00:

Once it's been burned, you can't, can you?

SPEAKER_07:

No, see there are one trick poney. There were rewritable CDs. Oh, there were rewritable CDs. There were rewritable ones. Damn.

SPEAKER_00:

Um but they were more expensive. I can't remember that being a thing.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I think so. But the I remember the tapes. If you I mean if you had like on your on your hi-fi system, you had two tape decks, you could put one tape in one and then play that tape and record. So you that would be pirate, you know, essentially.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's you yeah, copying the tape.

SPEAKER_07:

I remember doing that.

SPEAKER_00:

Um I bet you old pirate, you.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Uh so we went from tapes to then the digital age, which was in the like the let's go on to tapes, because have we not been talking about tapes? But keep go back to tapes because when you think about vinyl, yeah, vinyl, you're stationary, aren't you? You're in the room, you can't move around listening to vinyl.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, I see where you're going with this. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_07:

But the tapes, what happened with tapes when they came out?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, portable.

SPEAKER_07:

I know, portable. So you used to have you can have ghetto blasters in the like in the 80s. The old boom boxes. The old boom boxes with guys people cycling around. Yeah. And then you'd um I remember break dancing in the you know, the breakdancing case in the 80s.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

And you'd have like a boom box. How freaking cool is it? And then everyone would be dancing around the round around the ghetto.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I wouldn't give just five minutes just to watch one of that.

SPEAKER_07:

It's called ghetto blasters.

SPEAKER_00:

Ghetto blasters. In fact, what Why was it called a ghetto blaster?

SPEAKER_07:

Well, I I do know actually, when thinking about it, it's actually Is it the connotations of being in the in the ghetto?

SPEAKER_00:

In the hood, in the ghetto?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I think that's what it was. But I think one of my favourite um one of my favourite 80s films, uh a film called Say Anything.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just a slang term for a portable stereo system, yeah. That's where it came from. Um Boom Box.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. But I remember one of my one of my favourite films of the 80s was a film called Say Anything with John Cusack.

SPEAKER_00:

Is it the one with the outside of the window? That's exactly it.

SPEAKER_07:

That's a really fun and that is one of my favourite scenes where he's just standing outside of the window playing like playing with the playing with the boom box.

SPEAKER_00:

The ghetto blaster, the term emerged because of the boom box's popularity in urban communities.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there you go. But then moving on from the ghetto blasters and the boom box, we then had the Walkman.

SPEAKER_00:

Of course, yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, the Sony Walkman. Yeah, and you could clip onto your belt, and you'd have the little orange first iPod headphones. Essentially, yeah. It's the first iPod. Yeah, and it was the it was the first way you could actually move around listening to uh to music. That's crazy. I remember Walkman. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know if I don't think I had a Walkman, but I do remember either I owned it or my cousins owned the CD, the portable CD player.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It was obviously it was round like a CD player, like a disc, and you could have your headphones in and walk around the house with that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

But yeah, then in 1982 it was, 1982 was the we call this the dawn of the digital age.

SPEAKER_00:

The dawn of dawn.

SPEAKER_07:

And it was C D's.

SPEAKER_00:

C D's eighty two.

SPEAKER_07:

I remember, and I think it might have been Saturday Superstore. With Philip Schofield and Sarah Green. Um that long ago. Canceled Culture. Yeah, kids kids programme. And I remember that when the CD was first coming out, um, or it might one might might have even been Tomorrow's World. No, I think it was Saturday Superstore. But they they spread jam on the CD. Right, because the whole point of the CD was because tapes got ruined and they said CDs were indestructible. And they wiped it off and then played it. And then played it. Actually, before CDs, there was the laserdisc. I'm just remembering.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I don't I I think laser discs were around such a short period of time that I never saw them.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't ever remember laser discs being a thing.

SPEAKER_07:

No, I mean I I never knew anybody who had one.

SPEAKER_00:

Were they just uh were they only in like commercial settings as opposed to domestic?

SPEAKER_07:

But they were in domestic, but they yeah, they're just like basically like 3D TVs, they just stayed around for about a year and a bit of a fad.

SPEAKER_00:

A fad, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Bit of a fad, a bit of a fad. Like the like the beta Betamax versus VHS.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yeah, but we read we know that the VHS was way more popular because of the porn industry. So I'm wondering if CD's in a similar situation.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well it kind of well, yeah, yeah. Not porn specifically, I just mean like, yeah, it was just easier to mass produce.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Cheaper to mass produce.

SPEAKER_07:

But they were yeah, they were they were better quality, they were more durable, and they were I mean they weren't indestructible, but they were they were hardier than what tapes were.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

So people did move. And then I remember you could be and also I think as well, they looked better because they were like mini vinyls.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

So it was like a safe space or like a save a space saver.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

And I remember you used to walk in like see people would have racks and racks with CDs.

unknown:

Damn.

SPEAKER_07:

And you get different types of racks. So you'd have like um almost like uh like a bookshelf with CDs in. But then you had these racks as well where you would slot them in.

SPEAKER_00:

I remember we had the spot you want, didn't we? Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. So that was yeah, and I suppose that's when but you kind of you had CDs, didn't you?

SPEAKER_00:

I had CDs, yeah. They were the first media I bought, but I to think of I mean, I think people would uh people do display their vinyls and see and uh vinyls now more so in modern day as as more of a wow, like I don't know, more of a what's it called, a decor piece.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess CDs back in the day they took up so much room, DVDs took up so much room, but it but it was almost a feature, like you had a C D uh uh column or whatever because that was the decor at the time, like that was a part of the the look of the house.

SPEAKER_07:

It also showed off because we've showed off what you got, I suppose. Yeah, and all we mentioned this before in another podcast, like where music is part of an identity.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

So it did, it's like you were and it was almost like showing your musical tastes and your musical identity by your CD collection.

SPEAKER_00:

See, I wouldn't look any I wouldn't I wouldn't let anyone look at my like songs. I've I've I've just got so much of a mix in there.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, but you would judge that yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Um and then of course MP3.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I mean MP3 was 1993.

SPEAKER_00:

We owned a couple of MP3 players growing up.

SPEAKER_07:

Yes, we did.

SPEAKER_00:

Mum recorded my seven times table on an MP3 that she had so that I could learn my times tables.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean MP3 is still a thing. It's still a little format.

SPEAKER_00:

Well well, we tend to use MP4 now, don't we?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, well uh no, MP4's video as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean this yeah, I was gonna say the podcast is filmed an MP4.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, well the sound.

SPEAKER_00:

But the sound is MP3?

SPEAKER_07:

No, these are WAV files.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

SPEAKER_07:

Better qual better quality vibe. So I can exactly so I can export as an MP3, but I don't export it as a WAV file. Yeah. Nice. So they were much smaller. I'm I remember, yeah, so that was 1993, the M first MP3s came out. And again, I remember that's still not alive yet. Yeah. I had a couple of I knew a couple of people who would like make a real big point about, oh look, I've got an MP3 player.

SPEAKER_00:

Really? Yeah, it was like oh I've got what I remember the first iPod you ever got was when you got made redundant from Warworths. Oh. And it was that little one that had a built-in, this sounds so crazy to think about, had a built-in USB.

SPEAKER_07:

It did, you just plug it into the PC.

SPEAKER_00:

Take off the bottom end of it.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But how I think I think, and I'm this is a memory thing. I think it was 128 28 megabytes.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

A megabyte.

SPEAKER_07:

I don't think it was that much. I think it was like 32.

SPEAKER_00:

No, I think uh first iPod? I I don't really know.

SPEAKER_07:

But yeah, then because then after because the MP3 players kind of got went by the wayside because of the iPod.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

It was the iPod that took over. I did have an iPod, I've still got an iPod classic somewhere.

SPEAKER_00:

I know you oh found it. I found it. Oh god, can you remember what this was the one?

SPEAKER_07:

That is the one.

SPEAKER_00:

Um I mean that one specifically is uh one gigabyte, but yours definitely wasn't. Yours was uh yours was much lower. I think it's 128 meg.

SPEAKER_07:

I think it was, yeah. Damn. Can you remember what happened to you?

SPEAKER_00:

I do. Do you know what? I've not thought about that in years, and that just came into my head as well. I bought an iPod, or thought I was buying an iPod off eBay, and that was when eBay was kind of first a thing, I think, you know, uh buying and selling on basically um a massive um auction site, essentially that's what you're still around today, obviously. But yeah, I bought my first I remember like saving up all my money and wanted to get this particular iPod, and I remember this iPod's colour was really appealing to me. It was like a it was kind of a burgundy actually, which is really not what I'm wearing today. It was like a burgundy colour, and I thought I thought that was so pretty. Um iPod didn't do a burgundy colour iPod because this wasn't an iPod, it was a it was a counterfeit iPod that basically was just a glorified radio inside an iPod casing. Yeah. And I got scammed.

SPEAKER_07:

You did. You were so upset about it.

SPEAKER_00:

I was because I was I felt like you feel quite violated when you're scammed like that. And I was just a kid, and I got I mean I got all my money back, but it was just like the heartbreak of I've I've messed up. I've done so much. I was, I was. I was so excited. And then I got for anyone that's like iPod nerd, I then got the purple chromatic one after the. You did, didn't you? Yeah, yeah. And then when that died, I had the green one.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Chromatic one, and then I got the tiny little shuffle. I never was an iPod touch gal. Yes. Never had a touch. I always had, I was very much focused on my iPod was for music and music only. Yeah. I was very in that vein. But the oh, the chromatic had the oh, the clock face where you could, mmm, oh that that's so good. Sometimes it didn't work and it was actually really shit, but it was oh, what a time to be alive.

SPEAKER_07:

But then when you think like, you know, like iPods, so the iPod classic that I had, I had my entire, it was that big. I had my entire music library on there.

SPEAKER_00:

How many gigabytes was that?

SPEAKER_07:

Something ridiculous like 160, I think it was. I mean, I mean it doesn't sound that ridiculous now, but do you put put in the iPod Classic? It's still at home somewhere.

SPEAKER_00:

Classic iPod.

SPEAKER_07:

Um should sell it really, because that's probably worth a bit of money.

SPEAKER_00:

It might have been 160 gigabyte.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. It was the big one that I had.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it was 160 gigabyte by the looks of it.

SPEAKER_07:

That's the And I remember just downloading all the tracks and putting them on there.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there was everything. That was like the family iPod. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

That was it had everything on there. We could put playlists on there and also But to be honest, what did we use it for?

SPEAKER_00:

Who actually listened on it? For what though? Where like around the house? Like how did you did you ever plug it into the car or was that before the car? No, I just put it on Because in the car it used to be like orcs to orcs. Yeah. And then Oh yeah, no, it did just plug it in the car. Did you? I don't remember that. Yeah. I don't remember. Yeah. But you must have done. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

So I had and then so then really, I mean it then it was pretty soon after that that the iPod then itself became obsolete.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Because of the introduction of So iTunes, iTunes yeah, legal digital downloads 100 uh 101. 2001.

SPEAKER_07:

Actually, let's go back I was five. Let's go back a couple of years. Ah, okay. And the introduction of the website that completely revolutionized, changed, and also killed the music industry. The music industry, and that was Napster.

SPEAKER_00:

1999.

SPEAKER_07:

Which was file sharing.

SPEAKER_00:

We're now in my time zone.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. Yeah, the whole file sharing kind of thing with Napster. I mean, that absolutely destroyed music.

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, that's probably where pirating really took itself off to another level.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, that was pirating on a nuclear scale. Yeah. Um, I mean, there was another website called SoulSeek as well, where it was the same thing. And but when you think about it now, you were sharing files with other PCs. So people would dial into your computer and essentially steal your music, and you would allow them.

SPEAKER_00:

It's crazy. Yeah, we we don't allow generally we don't allow people to our computers anymore.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, um crazy. So that yeah, and then in 2001, so it's two years later, iTunes were like, Do you know what? This is the way the music industry is going.

SPEAKER_00:

We can make some money out of this.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, the digital downs. Yeah, actually, because it wasn't streaming originally, was it? It was downloads.

SPEAKER_00:

No, no, downloads, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

You would buy the song and then.

SPEAKER_00:

They were like 99p, 89p, 79p, depending on how big they were.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Albums were cheaper than your physical copy. They were like 299, I want to say, something like that. Two to five ninety nine, maybe.

SPEAKER_07:

Our first EP that we released, Wake Up, was you could digitally download that. You didn't stream it, you could you could yeah, you could buy it. So I'm I remember people buying, because that's why we released one of as a single for the 74p, I think it was.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I think it was because it then you could download and then you owned it. That's right. Now on Spotify you you don't you loan it, you st you loan it off Spotify, you you stream it. I mean, yeah, you can save the downloads to your phone, but you can't once you've deleted the app you don't own it. Your downloads are gone.

SPEAKER_07:

Again, it's well, it's like everything, it's all streaming services, isn't it? You don't own any media anymore.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, it is literally money for old rope. Yeah. For for the for the companies. Yeah. For the artists, the artists get scammed.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, absolutely not. Absolutely scammed. Which is why Taylor Swift famously took all of her stuff off streaming services, you know. She was, you know.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, I had we had um I actually got an email yesterday from uh emu band saying that my royalties have just come in. Oh, how many pence for this quarter? I I reckon it uh it'll be it will be peanuts. Two P. Because it's 0.01 pence per stream. I mean, sorry.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's just not good. It's not good.

SPEAKER_07:

And I know we've said this before as well. It's like this, and even like our podcast, we don't make any money from podcasts. No, no, even you would think people streaming this would make us money, but they don't pay podcasters.

SPEAKER_00:

We we get literally nothing for this podcast. Yeah, Spotify, we we if anything, we're out of pocket because we pay for Bud Sprout, we pay for I pay for like my editing, yeah, the software. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Um and Spotify do not pay artists, bearing in mind as well, this is the other thing. So so a mus a a song, don't get me wrong, what goes into making a song is expensive, it is a lot, but it's three minutes three minutes of what of of what people digest. This when we do it 45 minutes, it's and Spotify are selling that to people, and we get nothing.

SPEAKER_00:

Nothing.

SPEAKER_07:

Like, not even a fraction of a pence. No, nothing. Get nothing, absolutely nothing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Nothing at all.

SPEAKER_07:

I think there needs to be a revolution here.

SPEAKER_00:

Should we start our own service?

SPEAKER_07:

No, no, not start our own service. I think Spotify needs to be held to account and start paying the cre creative people more money.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

That includes musicians as well. Podcasters, podcasters, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. And also voice actors and audiobooks and there's a lot of audio. Pay them more money.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Pay them more money anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

So i tuned with 2001 streaming services. Spotify came in at 2008. Yeah. How old was I in 2008? Do you know?

SPEAKER_07:

Uh nine, ten, twelve?

SPEAKER_00:

Twelve.

SPEAKER_07:

Twelve. I'm not very good with numbers, you know that.

SPEAKER_00:

I was 12 years old when Spotify came into it. I don't remember having Spotify at 12 years old, though. Uh I think I had a Spotify more in my adult life.

SPEAKER_07:

We we had Apple Music to start with, and I think it's because Did we? Yeah, we did. I think it's mainly because I remember that. Because we had everything on Apple anyway because of the iDo.

SPEAKER_00:

Made sense, made sense. Ooh, I had another streaming service, Deezer, before Spotify. So is Deezer still a thing?

SPEAKER_07:

Deezer still a thing. I had a Deezer account as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Was that a musician thing?

SPEAKER_07:

It yeah, it was so when you when you DJ, when I was DJing, what started um DJing again not that long ago and when I did my radio show, remember the um live and unsigned radio show that I used to do for unsigned artists? Yes, yeah. Yeah on the I couldn't Spotify wouldn't connect to virtual DJ Deezer was before Spotify 2007. But Deezer did. So I could use the tracks from Deezer for the radio show. But not Spotify. But I couldn't use Spotify because Spotify wouldn't connect. Similar to now with my new decks, which I still haven't had set up, by the way. Bone of contention at the moment.

SPEAKER_00:

Um Domestic.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah. They so Spotify, if I was to use uh record box for it, Spotify won't connect, but these will and Tidal will as well.

SPEAKER_00:

Mmm interesting.

SPEAKER_07:

But Spotify won't.

SPEAKER_00:

Because Spotify are dicks. They are indeed. They are indeed. Find us on all the streaming platforms.

SPEAKER_07:

Even though you're probably listening to us on Spotify. Do you know what? Honestly, it really just goes to show you, doesn't it, what slaves we are.

SPEAKER_00:

We are, yeah. Yeah. We could make a stand, but we can't, because then we wouldn't be heard.

SPEAKER_07:

Exactly. That's that is the they've got us by the shorten curlies.

SPEAKER_00:

They do have us by the shortened curlies.

SPEAKER_07:

But yeah, then of course your phone, everything goes through the phone now.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. You know, you don't have a separate uh thing to play your music on. You can play it on your phone.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Now you can connect a speaker to your phone. So the old days of that ghetto blaster boom box outside the house is now pink. So a little handheld.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, in our house, we've got the Sonos beam.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_07:

Uh as a basically to for watch the telly as a as a a soundbar. Yeah. Then we've got another Sonos in the kitchen, one upstairs, and I also have a roam. So that was if we were to go outside, we can take it outside as well. Oh, I see. And you just connect it via your phone to any it's like a a click and it's done.

SPEAKER_00:

Our house is powered by Google. We have three. Yeah. It turns on my lights.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

It turns on my music, everything.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

But also the thing is with streaming services as well, you don't have to go looking for songs.

SPEAKER_00:

No. So I did um they're pretty much handed to you on a platter. They really are.

SPEAKER_07:

I mean, I I put on uh I put on a track the other day, and of course, I wanted to listen to that one track. Then I just left it playing, and then before I knew it, it was like two hours later, and I was like, this is really a really cool playlist.

SPEAKER_00:

Release radar's good. Yeah. Uh Weekly Discovery's good. Um, or Discover Weekly, can't remember what it's called. I like Spotify's playlist that it makes for you.

SPEAKER_07:

Well, the DJ one.

SPEAKER_00:

No, no, no. You can go on and be like it you could type in the word instrumental, because I do this quite a lot. I'll I'll type in instrumental, and then it's like instrumental playlist made for you, and it bases it based on your music taste, but only instrumental tracks. Oh, okay. Spotify's been doing it for years, but yeah, there's loads. So I could put in workout, for example, and it's like workout hits for you, and it and it's made it for you. Um, another one that I like to type in sometimes is cheesy hits, cheesy hits made for you. So it's all like my cheese, not like the global cheese. My cheese. Um, my throwback playlist again is based off of my music taste, etc. etc. So yeah, you can make your own playlist still, but Spotify created ones are pretty good, and then they just chuck in some random ones that you you might like this.

SPEAKER_07:

Uh well, what I was gonna do for your mum and Anya is when I finally do get my deck sorted out, is I was gonna make their running track list. Uh so like a mix do you like a mixtape? Essentially do a mixtape, continuous mute but between the certain BPM of what they want for their um for their running, depending on like if they want a slow run or a quick run to say well.

SPEAKER_00:

Sadly, Spotify can also do that for you as well, because you can put in the BPM and see this is just it's taking away all the creativeness out of it. It's creating all the fun. It's taking all the fun out of it.

SPEAKER_07:

And I'll create them as uh as an MP3 and send it to them. I'm still gonna do that though for them.

SPEAKER_00:

Still do it for them because it's to do with their uh their headwear, isn't it?

SPEAKER_07:

It is exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Um So what's in for the future of music media?

SPEAKER_07:

So it's um well, AI. I think AI is gonna be the one thing, isn't it? Actually, yeah, and I Becca came over last night. Right, so Becca was over. Becca also plays DD, yeah, and she is an amazing musician as well. Um she might be oh no, I can't say that. That's a secret. I was gonna say something then and I was like I'll tell you afterwards, I'll tell you afterwards, but that is a massive secret I nearly let out let out then.

SPEAKER_00:

That's okay, we can edit this.

SPEAKER_07:

That's fine. Uh but there is uh she I played her one of those DD AI tracks. Oh yeah. The fireball one, yeah, yeah. And I said, I feel dirty playing you this because this is AI, but I actually really like it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it is good. It is good. Um you've you've written down here VR concerts and holograms, but that's all that's not a future thing, that's a real life thing now in the sphere.

SPEAKER_07:

ABBBA have already done it, haven't they? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh ABBA have already done it, but now there they have performances in the sphere because guess who's in who's got residency next year in the sphere?

SPEAKER_07:

Who?

SPEAKER_00:

No doubt.

SPEAKER_07:

You're joking.

SPEAKER_00:

No.

SPEAKER_07:

Really? Yeah. What the the the full the f the original band?

SPEAKER_00:

I mean, Gwen Stefani is is promoting it at the moment, so presumably? I don't know.

SPEAKER_07:

Really?

SPEAKER_00:

Go go go look it up.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh amazing. Go look it up. Song, end the podcast now.

SPEAKER_00:

Immediately goes to find out, yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Really?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um I always keep up with the sphere because obviously because I went to Vegas this was it was this year. It was February this year. Um I always keep up now when I look, I was like, oh, I wonder who's at residency there.

SPEAKER_07:

Oh amaz. I love no doubt. Absolutely love no doubt.

SPEAKER_00:

She has not aged going to find out.

SPEAKER_07:

No, she hasn't. She really hasn't. Um but yeah, uh, what do you want to think about VR? The the first kind of hologram that I know that popped into my head is Gorillas with David Damon Album. Yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Is that in key? Yeah, kind of, kinda, kinda. Um I can't do that.

SPEAKER_07:

But I mean you could oh they you could go down a little bit of uh because they have I think they have done this with artists who are no longer with us. Yes, create hologram versions then. So I mean you could essentially go and see go and see Queen in concert, like as a hologram, or Michael Jackson's show, or you know, because we've done the music legends now, haven't we? So it's some of the names that came up in that.

SPEAKER_00:

To be fair, that would be pretty good to see. She was more like beauty queen from a movie scene.

SPEAKER_07:

But it is all gonna be, I think the future is gonna be AI, technology, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00:

Especially for the dead ones. I I can kind of understand why it's a thing.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

For the living, I'd probably rather go see the living.

SPEAKER_06:

Yeah, absolutely. If they're still living. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But yeah, um, I'm not against seeing a holographic content.

SPEAKER_07:

No, I'm not against it. I'm not against it, but I do get to experience it again. It it's strange. Again, I I have this argument with myself all the time, and I've mentioned it on this podcast numerous times as well. I am so I so flip between one and the other when I was a big thing.

SPEAKER_00:

I do and I don't though, because I can't help when I was born. Uh Queen was long disbanded before I was born. Oh, yeah, no. So how can I uh how can I experience that experience in a in the same setting if it wasn't a hologram?

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You know, I I think in that instance, to me, that just feels like I I'm not missing out on a very cultural, yeah, prolific thing. Like LiveAid, Queen Live Aid, for example, is like apparently one of the best concerts of all time, but I will never experience that because I wasn't alive.

SPEAKER_07:

That's not that's not my fault. Yeah, I watch I watched that on telly. Yeah, exactly. 1986, I think that was.

SPEAKER_00:

But you would have seen it live.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I could watch it now, I guess. I could watch the live production, but imagine me being able to experience that almost as lifelike as possible. Like that's pretty that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_07:

The thing is, well, when you say that, when you say about experiencing it, you know it's already happened, so you know what to expect, but when we watched it, we didn't know what to expect, and it was But you say that, but I've only ever watched I think I've only ever watched maybe Bohemian Rhapsody.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think I've watched the whole set.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, I know, but you going into the set knowing that it was such such an amazing set. I guess. You've already got that preconception.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess, yeah, no, I get you, I get your point. I get your point. Whereas you don't see it. Isn't it better to have experience experience it than not experience it at all?

SPEAKER_04:

No, it is better to experience It's just better to have loved than loved than loved to have loved at all.

SPEAKER_00:

Why did you just turn into Mrs. Doubtfire?

SPEAKER_04:

That wasn't Mrs. Doubtfire.

SPEAKER_00:

Hello dears. Hello dears. The people uh people want to get on with their tea. It was the drink that killed him.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, wasn't he alcoholic?

SPEAKER_00:

No dears hit by Guinness truck. Um it was a drive-by fruiting. Oh god. We should probably end the podcast there so people can get get on with their days. Yes. Um their journey to sleep or journey to work or whatever you however you're listening to this podcast. I don't freaking know how you listen to our podcast. How do you consume us? How do you munch us? We want to know. Um no, we actually do know because we we get the stats of how you listen to us and it is Spotify, so actually on.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah, actually completely. I just got my phone.

SPEAKER_00:

Father, we're trying to end the podcast episode.

SPEAKER_07:

I know, I just I just thought I would just mention. I thought I would just mention if you're giving stats. I'm gonna give some stats.

SPEAKER_00:

Why? We do that at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_07:

Do we? No, but I just wanted to say how many but do you know 51 countries. 51. 51 countries.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, thank you, 51 countries.

SPEAKER_07:

400 country cities.

SPEAKER_00:

Well You can't upset anyone.

SPEAKER_07:

All countries are cool. Do you see what I did there?

SPEAKER_00:

I do see what you did there.

SPEAKER_07:

I see what I did there.

SPEAKER_00:

Just just what's the what's the first one your eyes land on that you're like, oh, no, obviously. Singapore?

SPEAKER_07:

We are so Singapore's cool. So the top countries are UK, United States, Singapore.

SPEAKER_00:

Singapore's in our top three.

SPEAKER_07:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Damn. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07:

Next one. Ah, the next one. Okay. I do apologize for everything I said about your country at the beginning of the episode. It's Australia.

SPEAKER_05:

Australia is the fourth. Then Brazil, Canada, Paraguay, Ireland.

SPEAKER_00:

So everything in the country wants to kill us, but they we're their only reprieve. And we just sit on them.

SPEAKER_07:

Thank you, Australia. We love you.

SPEAKER_00:

Bye-bye. Thanks for joining us on Bonus Dad Bonus Daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye-bye.