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What does it take to earn the title legend, and who deserves it now? We dive into a spirited, cross-generational showdown where one of us champions classic icons and the other fights for modern game-changers, revealing how the rules of greatness have shifted without losing their soul.

We revisit the artists who rewired popular music: David Bowie’s fearless personas and cinematic scope, Freddie Mercury’s once-in-a-lifetime range and Live Aid command, Michael Jackson’s storytelling videos and choreography, Axl Rose’s razor-edged intensity, Annie Lennox’s androgynous finesse and activism, and Ozzy Osbourne’s metal blueprint with all its chaotic lore. Their stories remind us that sound, spectacle, and reinvention built the foundations for what we still expect from the stage.

Then we argue for the new guard. Youngblood’s fan-first ethos and fair-ticket vision, Pink’s soaring acrobatics and radical honesty, Lewis Capaldi’s disarming vulnerability and mental health support, Taylor Swift’s catalogue control and record-breaking Eras Tour, and Chapel Roan’s theatrical, queer-forward pop that turns a set into a statement. We ask whether today’s legends are defined as much by advocacy and community as they are by vocal fireworks and hit singles, and we land on a simple test: if an artist changes how people feel, think, and gather, their legacy is already underway.

Come for the singalongs and sharp takes; stay for the question at the heart of it all: is legend status about the music, the moment, or the meaning we give it? Follow the show, share it with a friend who loves a good music debate, and leave a review telling us your pick for the next artist destined for legend status.

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Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter, a special father-daughter podcast with me, Hannah. And me, Davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories within our ever-changing and complex world.

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Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades. Or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook, or TikTok. Links in bio. Hello and welcome to a very special podcast episode. Hello deers. Hello deers. We are going to talk about music legends today.

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We are. We've what we did is Yeah, we want to know what we each each wrote down a group of people who we consider to be music legends.

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You heard it here first, folks. I prepared for an episode.

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She did. I was actually worried because I prepared, and then for like ages and ages and ages, there was nothing on your side. And then finally, finally, one day they just all appeared.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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So I did all my research in one go.

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So I uh to be fair, to be fair, I've actually because it's been a while since we wrote this ages ago.

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We did, yeah, yeah.

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Um I I've actually forgotten which which ones uh on yours.

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Ha, well.

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So I've uh because originally I said to Hannah, I said, How do you want to do this? Do you want to do like I'll do a music legend, then you do a music legend, but Hannah said, No, no, do all yours and then do all hers.

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Yeah. I think I think we ought to do it that way. And also this is kind of going back against uh back back into our roots a little bit of where we start this podcast with the generational differences.

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There's gonna be a lot of generational differences.

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This is there's gonna be a huge one, and I've done that on purpose as well, because the people that because you wrote yours first, the people that I considered music legends to me are a lot of the ones that you have picked, to be honest. Really? So what I've done is I have picked uh uh people that I perceive to be music legends of our day, our current Oh, okay. That's what I've done. That's how you've done that.

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Okay, okay.

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So as as it stands, of 2025, yeah. These are the people that I think uh would be considered music legends in the future, perhaps maybe.

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I see what you mean.

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And I've got my reasons for picking those things. Yes. But I thought it'd be interesting to have a difference in in those music legends, because you know, that it's going back to the the end of our podcast, but or sorry, back to the beginnings of our podcast, but also it's interesting for our listeners to have a wide range of musical Yeah. Musical legends that that we'd both consider in their own right. And I'm not saying you wouldn't agree with some of the ones I've picked, but there's probably some in there that you'd go, nah, that's that's not a music legend, but I I think I can justify all of the ones that I've picked.

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Okay, yeah, okay.

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Yeah. Oh so I've gone modern and you've gone legend. I've gone I've gone I've gone modern legend here we go.

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Yeah, yeah, and I've gone sort of like 70s, 80s kind of which is what I where I expected you to go.

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So this has worked out well. Um hopefully you know every single person on here because we consider them to be.

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Well, even if you don't, there'll be a short little bio about that person as well. I mean, I don't think my first one is a surprise at all.

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No.

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Because I think this particular man is was an absolute legend. Was a legend.

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And actually, I think are all of yours dead? Uh and mine are all alive.

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Yes, yes, no, no, yes.

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Mine are all alive, as as it stands of today. Wait, no, we better not kill anyone off in this episode.

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One of them has recently died.

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Ah, okay.

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So you'll see you'll know that one of my legs so you'll know one who one of my legends is now. Um but this particular person was a visionary, he was a musician, he was an actor, he was an artist, and he was known for his uh genre-defying music and theatrical alter egos.

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Uh-huh.

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The one, the only Mr. David Bowie.

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Yes.

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A man who I am actually named after.

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I knew you were gonna pick David Bowie anyway. Before I even saw the script, I was like, he's definitely gonna go for Bowie.

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I love Bowie.

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I know.

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Bowie is he's phenomenal. I mean, yeah, when you look at the some of the act uh some of the characters he played, such as Ziggy Stardust, the Thin White Duke, Aladdinsane.

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The Goblin King.

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The Goblin K-I mean that those those were just musical people, you know. You know, Ziggy played guitar, jamming good with Weird and Gilly, and the Spiders from Mars. Amazing. But also how much singing were we gonna do in this episode? Probably quite a bit. Um, but I mean, not only did he, you know, create the characters on stage, such as the Stardust, The Lad Insane, The Thin White Duke, he also was an amazing actor. I mean, yeah, the Goblin King. I mean, he is he's Jared in the Labyrinth. He is also now one of the best films. Uh there's a film called Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence.

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Oh, yes, yeah.

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Yeah. And he is in that, and he played a phenomenal part in that film. Uh, he was also the man who fell to earth in that as well. He was he was he was very interested in space.

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Yes.

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He was very, I mean, life on Mars, uh, Starman.

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There's a Star Man waiting in the sky. He liked to come and meet us, but he thinks he'd blow our minds.

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Um, I actually wrote a I I'd wrote a like a mime to Starman. Did you? Yeah, back when I was at school. Uh so I mean he did the albums such as Heroes, Low, Hunky Dory, Let's Dance. I mean, he he changed his persona so much.

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Yeah.

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He really threw out time.

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He does, but also you can tell it's him when he's singing because he's got such a unique voice.

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Such a distinctive voice. Such a distinctive voice. Do you know what his real name was? I don't. David Robert Jones was his real name. It was his real name. He changed Bowie. Uh, so some interesting facts about Mr. Bowie is that we we mentioned this before. He's got one, he had one permanently dilated pupil due to a teenage fight giving the appearance of different coloured eyes. Um, he also helped produce and co-wrote Iggy Pop's The L The Idiot and Lust for Life. I see. Uh he also he did a lot of c collaborations as well. I mean, the most famous what Mick Jagger, Dancing in the Street.

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I was thinking of another collaboration with your next music legend as well.

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Uh he did do, yes, a lot of collaborations with him as well.

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What a great segue you could steal from.

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I indeed. Uh he also he uh declined a knighthood from the Queen in 2003.

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Did he? Declined.

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He declined, he said, no, thank you, I don't want to be a sir.

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Oh.

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Sir David Bowie.

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He could have been Sir David Bowie.

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He also played Nikola Tesla in The Prestige.

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Right.

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He was he was he was a true artist.

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He he was um he's like a triple threat.

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He was.

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He could dance, sing, and act.

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You remind me of the babe.

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What babe?

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The babe with the power. What power? The power of voodoo. Hoodoo. You do what? Remind me of the babe. There. Dance magic dance.

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Oh great song. I love the one that my favourite song in Labyrinth is the one where they're in the ballroom.

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Oh.

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Great song.

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Yeah. Yes. But did you know as well, he released his final album, Blackstars, just Black Star, just days before he died. Yeah. And it was the whole album was about mortality.

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He knew.

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He knew. He knew. He knew. He was he yeah, he was saying that is a true music legend. True, true music legend. Yeah. Uh my next one, again, I consider to be an absolute legend.

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The co-star on um Under Pressure?

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Indeed. Mr. Freddie Mercury.

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Of course, yeah.

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Uh I mean he was he was flamboyant. Um, he was he I think he was Egyptian.

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Uh no, he wasn't Tanzanian. Tanzanian. Oh, it's actually from Zanzibar.

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Yeah, Zanzibar. Um, he was the I mean his vocal range was phenomenal.

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He's a very similar to kind of um almost like mon modern day Brandon Ure, a little bit.

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Yeah.

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With his range of what he's got from low to high.

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Yeah. Um he can actually sing in four octaves.

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Yeah.

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I can sing in two.

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Barely sing in one.

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He can sing in I can sing in two octaves and then um certo. That's it. He four octave vocal range. I mean that's just nuts.

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That is a range. You can't even call him a tenor or a soprano or anything because he just he's in all of them.

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Yeah. But also, when you think of Queen, I mean, also because he was bisexual, and that's part of the reason why Queen was called Queen. Um, but when you when you think of Queen, do you what what genre would you say Queen was? Rock. Rock. Dad rock. Dad rock. Really? Operatic rock? Think of Bohemian Rhapsody. Look at all the different genres they did as well.

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They they really spun rock in a in lots of ways. Yeah. Queen.

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Yeah. I mean, phenomenal musicians. Yeah. I mean, but even Roger Taylor, the drummer of Queen, you know, in you know the highs in Bohemian Rhapstee, the falsettos. That's Roger Taylor.

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Yeah.

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He was the one singing the falsettos.

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I've I've seen Bohemian Rhapsody the movie, and I know obviously a lot of that is pulled from from true true stories, etc, etc. But um, but yeah, uh incredible, yeah, incredible band.

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I mean, when you think of that the 20-minute live age show that they did, bearing in mind Freddie Mercury was ill.

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He was on his last legs, wasn't he?

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He was dying at that point, and that performance is considered to probably be one of the greatest live performances of all time.

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Yeah, crazy.

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It was the way legend. The way he had the crowd just eating from the palm of his hand. Yeah. And when he did the I mean, what that was and had the whole crowd singing it.

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True legend, absolute legend.

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But he also he studied graphic design, and he was the one who designed Queen's iconic crest. Oh he um he kept his AIDS diagnosis private until one day before his death.

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Yeah.

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Although everybody knew it was a it was a worst-kept secret.

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Yeah.

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Um, he owned numerous cats and dedicated songs to them. That's amazing.

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That's such a green flag. Yeah, such a green flag.

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Um, and he apparently he was born into a Parsi family with Zoroastrian roots. I don't know how to pronounce that. Farsi. Farsi, yeah, he was it was Farsi, yeah. Yeah, he um he yeah, I mean, absolute, absolute legend. 1991 he died.

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Yeah, before me.

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I remember the day.

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Pre-hanna.

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I can remember when I heard I mean again, got a lot of these places you remember where the where you were when they heard when the person died.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So Bowie, I heard, or I was at work. I remember when I heard when Bowie died.

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I think I was at school when I heard.

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Yeah, it was 2016 he died.

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Yeah, I think I was uh so that would have no, no, that's a lie. Yeah. I went to school, I must have been at work. I feel like I was somewhere where there was people like about I wasn't like at home.

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Bowie died nine years ago. Yeah, I mean Freddie Mercury died in 1991.

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Free Hannah?

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That was 34 years ago Freddie Mercury died.

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Yeah, I've never I've never lived in a world with Freddie Mercury.

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Yeah.

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How crazy is that?

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Jeez. I remember when he did um when he sang Barcelona with the opera singer.

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I don't know.

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Oh, you have to listen to it. It's just again his voice. Yeah, phenomenal, phenomenal. Um next one who I consider to be a legend, uh, somebody who I grew up with, um, playing lots of his songs. He was the king of pop himself, Mr. Michael Jackson.

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Yes, I don't think we could do a podcast episode without mentioning him on Music Legends. Yeah, what a legend. Um I remember his death as well. I was at I was I was at school. I remember it 2009. Yeah, I do remember being it being a shock as well. It came out of nowhere because he wasn't particularly old. No, he wasn't. I mean, 58, he would have been fifth 51.

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51.

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Yeah, fifth 51.

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Yeah. Um he yeah, I mean he was a child star. I remember when he was in the Jackson 5.

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I mean, out out of all of the Jacksons, not to be rude, but out of all the Jacksons, you hear all of them sing, he was the star.

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He was absolutely.

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He clearly had I mean, they all had good voices.

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His sister has a good voice.

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Yeah, yeah. Janet Jackson. She wasn't the Jackson 5.

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She wasn't the Jackson 5, she was too young.

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But yeah, he you could yeah. Maybe like the voices got better as they as um the more that uh um Mrs.

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Jackson popped out the babies, yeah, they got progressively better voices, maybe not saying that the the first thing there was Tito, Jermaine, Michael, and I can't remember the other two.

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I can't, I wouldn't even I can't even name you. Janet Jackson's the only other sibling I know.

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Yeah, Tito, Jermaine, Michael, and I can't remember the name of the other two. But he, you know, when when he left the Jackson 5 and went solo, I mean, then released Thriller.

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Yeah.

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I mean Thrill I remember, I remember when Thriller came out on the telly, they showed it. It was a 15-minute short film.

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It's clear as midnight. Ah, so good.

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And um little known fact about Thriller as well, which isn't in the interesting fact section, but I do know this. Vincent Price, because he does the voiceover.

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Oh, yeah, the the darkness.

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Yeah, he does that bit. Do you know he only he he got offered um two ways either cut of the profits or a one-off salary?

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Right.

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And he took the one-off salary, idiot, screwed himself out on that. Idiot screwed himself on that one.

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Call that record company making a mint now, isn't it?

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Yeah. And uh so yeah, I mean he released Thriller, and that was 1982 that release, and it's still the best-selling album of all time.

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Mad.

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Known for his groundbreaking music.

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With Taylor Swift now? Has she surpassed him?

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Oh, I think she probably hasn't. Maybe, maybe. Uh so I mean, yeah, his his dancing as well, created the moonwalk.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Uh and I mean legend. You know, in Smooth Criminal, and he a you are gonna when he stands and does that lean. You know how they do that.

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Yes, I do, yes, yes, the shoes, uh the nail in the shoe. Yeah, um, but yeah, um, yeah, an incredible, an incredible artist, I think, would be a better way to describe him rather than a music legend, because he was really that I think he's probably one of the first people I know having such a renowned stage presence in that sense.

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He's show he was like, he really put on a show.

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You know, you've got Queen and Freddie Mercury put on a good show, but there was no like theatrics to it quite in the same way. No, I think that's what you can get away with pop, because you can get away with not having a band behind you. So you've got more space to do creative things. Whereas Queen is a band, you know. Michael Jackson's a solo, so you know, his songs were playing, he was just singing over the top of them kind of thing.

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But yeah, very cool. I mean, when you think of all this, yeah, especially from Thriller, you got Beat.

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Yes.

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Did you know Beat do you know a little known fact about Beat It as well?

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No.

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So Eddie Van Halen does the guitar solo.

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Oh, okay.

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Uh, do you know he got paid a salary to go in and do the solo, and that was one take.

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One take.

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One take. That solo, he went and improvised one take. Dude. I mean, that's just phenomenal in itself. That's so cool. Um, but I mean, yeah, all of his all of his music videos told stories. Beat It was a was a story, Thriller was phenomenal. Billy Jean with him walking down the street with the the lights.

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Brilliant, yeah.

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Yeah, brilliant. And then Smooth Criminal and Black and White.

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Uh yeah, it's just his his discography is amazing. Like, I I wouldn't even say I'm a fan of Michael Jackson, but I know at least ten of his songs. You know, you don't really have many artists like that nowadays.

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No. And you can sing along to all of them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Um he did he was the first artist to have five number one hits from one album, which was bad.

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Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.

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Uh he yeah, he also bought the publishing rights to most of the Beatles catalogue.

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Did he?

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Yeah. Um, because him and um him and Paul McCartney did a song together called Ebony and Ivory. That was an amazing video.

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Because Beatles were owned by Apple, weren't they? Apple um Apple Records.

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Yeah.

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And I know they they were they kept quite a lot of s sort of stuff tight-lipped, didn't they?

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Yeah.

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Um but anyway, cool, yeah. Great legend.

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He also holds 15 Guinness World Records, including most successful entertainer of all time.

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What a title.

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Yeah. He patented the anti-gravity shoes for the smooth criminal lean. Yeah. And his pet champ his pet chimpanzee bubbles became a media icon.

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Yeah, I remember, I remember the footage of the chimpanzee. Yeah. I wonder what happened to the chimpanzee after his death.

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Oh, bubbles would be long dead.

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Well, I know, but like I wonder what happened after his death.

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But apparently he did a lot of humanitarian work as well. He did.

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Good lad.

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Yeah, he's uh yeah. Um, but yeah, he died uh 2009 in Los Angeles. Now, so the first three are dead. Yeah, David Bowie's dead, Michael Jackson's dead, Freddie Mercury's dead. Our next man, our next man is he alive, is still alive.

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Yeah, is still alive.

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Now, this is something that is in the interesting facts, and I knew this already. I knew this about this particular singer. Uh, and I've we've already said about Freddie Mercury singing in four octave range ranges. This man sings in six.

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Damn.

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So when you think of how trained his voice is, and look at the all the stuff that band did through the 80s and 90s, and they should not still be alive, none of them. None of them should still be alive. I mean, their song Mr. Brownstone is literally about their heroine addiction, you know, and that is the the legend that is Mr. Axl Rose.

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Yes, yes, yep.

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He yeah, it's his vocal range again, is is just ridiculous. So he is, for those of you who don't know who Axl Rose is, Axl Rose's real name, William Bruce Rose Jr. If you didn't know that, Billy Bruce, I used to call him. Um Axl Rose is the volatile front man of Guns N' Roses, known for his wide vocal range and erratic behaviour. He co-founded the band because of the drugs. He co-founded the band in 1985 and achieved massive success with Appetite for Destruction, featuring hits like Sweet Child of Mine, Welcome to the Jungle, We Got Fun and Games. Uh, yeah, he yeah, I I don't know really what more to say about him. He he's just just absolutely astounding.

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His his vo I mean, take me down to the Paradise City where the grass is green and the girls are pretty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Um, welcome to the jungle. We got fun and games, we got everything you want. I don't even know the names, we got the people on the whatever you may need. Anyway, um so yes, he he legally changed his name to William Axl Rose. He apparently famously feuded with Nirvana's Kirk Cobain.

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Interesting. What was that feud about?

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I have no idea. He also joined ACDC as a lead singer in 2016 after Brian Johnson's hearing issues. Oh yeah, and he lived under assumed names and hid from the public for years as well. He disappeared off the grid.

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Oh.

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But yeah, I I consider him to be a music legend because when I grew up, Guns and Roses, you know, I love Guns N' Roses. Appetite for Destruction was my favourite album at one point. Uh, because I was really into heavy metals, into Guns N' Roses and also uh um Iron Maiden, things like that. And I even got had friends who I went to school with had Guns N' Roses tattoos at the age of like 18, 19.

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Um yeah, they were pretty pretty prolific, I guess. They were things like that. Do you want to know about the feud?

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Go on, what happened?

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Axel Rose and Kurt Cobain had a public feud fuelled by differing band philosophies. Axel's initial support for Nirvana not being reciprocated and escalated tensions. Cobain publicly criticized Rose as sexist, racist, and homophobic, while Rose made derogatory comments about Cobain and his wife. The conflict uh cumulated in a tense backstage confrontation at the VMA is described by witnesses as a clash of two worlds.

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Really? Interesting. Right interesting.

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If he was homophobic, racist, to all that go, I'm I'm on Cobain's side.

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Do you know what? Sorry, I've just remembered something Joe said to me. When we were working at the set list for our gig, uh, we were talking about what songs we were gonna put in, and halfway through we put interlude in. Um, because Pierre we switched it up, so instead of James playing the guitar riff, we had Pierre do it on sacks to change it, make it complete something completely fresh. How did that sound, by the way? Great, was it good? Yeah, so when we were talking about whether or not we were gonna put it in the show, because interlude is just it's what it is. We we wrote it, we didn't even write it, that was just us jamming when when we recorded it. Um and when when we released it, we did it as a as a joke, as a like as an interlude in an EP. You know, an EP is only four songs, and we were like dark and joke. So we need a break in there. And when we were doing the show, I thought, shall we put it in? Shall we not? Shall we do it? We thought, well, it's our last show, so we've got to do it, we've got to play it, we've got to play it. And but what Joe said about the song, he went, Yeah, man, we've got we've got to play it. We've got to play it because interlude is our November rain.

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Okay, okay. Bread and butter, essentially.

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Yeah, yeah, no, no, as in the Guns N' Roses song. Oh, sorry, yeah, that's where I was going because I was still the track, you know, still going on about Guns and Roses. Sorry, sorry. Interlude is our uh our version of Guns N' Roses' November Rose.

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November Rain. A gotcha, a gotcha.

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But I mean, even that, they they did they released two albums side by side that released Use Your Illusion 1 and Use Your Illusion 2. Completely different vibes. Genius, absolute genius. I mean, Civil War, oh, classic song, classic song. I mean Slash in November Rain. I mean, you know, Slash as well. He used to drink a bottle of Jack Daniels a day.

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A day? A day. Nah. A day. That that's that's a problem.

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Um, so I've got two more.

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Yeah.

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I've got two more. So next one. Next one is a Scottish lady.

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Yes, this is your first lady.

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My first lady, and I think she is a music legend again because of her voice, and also just because of what she's done, and that is the one, the only Mrs. Annie Lennox.

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Yes.

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So Annie Lennox rose to fame as half of the Eurythmics with Dave Stewart, delivering synth potth classics like Sweet Dreams are made of cheese.

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Who am I to disagree?

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What?

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Sweet dreams are made of cheese. Who am I to disagree?

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She launched her successful solo career after leaving leaving the Eurythmics. Uh, and she powerful albums like Diva and Medusa, known for her androgynous look, emotional depth, and activism. Lennox has become a champion for HIV and AIDS awareness and women's rights.

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Yes! Annie!

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Yeah. She, did you know she was one of the few female artists to win both an Oscar and multiple Grammys? Nice. She trained as a flutist at the Royal Academy of Music, so she could train played the flute. She's known for her activism with the Oxfam, UNAIDS, and Amnesty International.

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Yes.

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She performed at the 2012 London Olympics closing ceremony. And she often performs barefoot for comfort and symbolism.

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Yes, very similar to Aurora.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. She's like a reincarnation.

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Aurora, I feel. Yeah. But Annie Lennox, her again, when she's done some of her vocal work, I mean she does she's incredible. She does something which I genuinely I genuinely don't like. And that's when someone, and I I I I call it vocal wanking. And it's when they b when you basically you treble, you tremolo all over a note, and bloody Mariah Carey does it all the time. It winds me up. Ariana Grande, too. Stop it. Stay on the note. Stop it or stop wobbling. Stop it. Stop it now.

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I get it.

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Yes.

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But when she does it there's exceptions to the rule.

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That's my exception to the rule. Right. Because she does it with pure control. And yeah, it's brilliant. Brilliant. So my last one. My last one was is a little bit of a honorary mention.

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The one, the only.

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The one, the only, Mr. John Michael Osborne. Otherwise known as Ozzy. He was from Birmingham.

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He was from Birmingham. As I apparently.

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Yeah. Show it.

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According to Ancestry. Wouldn't it be so cool if I was related to.

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So Ousszy Osborne became famous as the lead singer of Black Sabbath, known as Pioneers of Heavy Metal.

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Pioneers of Heavy Metal.

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His denomin his demonic stage persona and distinctive wail helped define the genre.

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His whale.

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Yeah. He got fired from the band in 1970.

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Crazy dream.

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Finished with my woman because she could not help me with my mind. People think I'm insane because I am drowning frowning all the time.

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A war pigs. Oh, amazing song. He also launched a solo, successful, successful solo career with hits like Crazy Train. Uh, and later he gained fame as reality TV star with the Osbornes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mad.

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He is mad as a box of frogs. Yeah. He's completely hat stand, but a true letter. But the thing is, when you have you ever listened to any of his podcasts with his family, he really loves his family.

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Yeah, yeah. You can tell. You can tell.

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She's to fit in the Osborne's with the cat on the thing. He's bollocking the cat for being on the table. Right. He's literally talking to the cat and shut up. Don't give me that. It was brilliant. One of the interesting facts is that he bit the head off a bat on stage in 1982.

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We've talked about this on the podcast before. Because I remember going off on one being like, that is so cruel. And then you told me he thought it was fake. It was fake.

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He was diagnosed with Parkinson's in 2019.

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Yes. Yeah.

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He survived drug and alcohol abuse that would kill most people.

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What a lovely, interesting fact.

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Yeah. He was banned from San Antonio for urinating on the Alamo.

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Can't be doing that.

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No, and his wife, Sharon, has managed his career since the 1980s.

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I think that's so kind of sweet. She kind of brought him out, brought him round.

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Yeah.

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He probab she probably s like saved him.

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She did. Oh, she definitely saved him.

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Yeah. So on the on the subject of Ozzy Osborne, I will start my segment of music legends with the one and only Youngblood. His name is Dom. Dom Harrison, Dominic. He is an English singer, songwriter, and actor from Doncaster. Before his music career, he studied theatre, appeared in small TV roles apparently. He made his breakthrough a breakthrough with a debut EP, Youngblood, in 2018. Written quite a few albums since. He now I don't know if I'm already going through the interesting facts already, but his own music festival he started called Bloodfest. Yes. And it's designed to keep prices and tickets at an affordable rate.

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I like him.

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Yeah. He's got a good good old head screwed on. Yeah. He seems so lovely with his fans, particularly his younger fans as well. Very respectful guy. Just seems like he takes his mum to premieres and stuff like that. Like what a yeah, what what a legend. What a young legend.

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I don't like all of his music, I must admit.

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No, it's not all my things.

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I do like some of his songs. No, you do. I really I mean, do you know when he has um I Was Made for Loving You, the cover when he sings it. Jesus Christ.

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Brilliant. He does a good few covers. So his grandfather played in T-Rex.

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I never knew. I just read that. I never knew that.

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Um he can play multiple instruments, including guitar, piano drums, and bass. Um he's open about his struggles with anxiety, depression, and addressing them in his songs, which I think is really important from a male artist as well. Um came out as pansexual, just in case anyone doesn't know what pansexual means. It's just um uh the sexuality to describe um anyone uh that loves any gender um and any any sexuality, basically. It just um somewhat encompasses all. Pan means all, so yeah. Um he he he does not discriminate against anyone, he finds everyone attractive. Um but not in that not everyone attractive. You know what I'm trying to say. I know what you're saying. Yeah, not not wording it well. And yeah, as I said, he created his own uh his own music festival um and he's just got his head screwed on and he just seems like a really decent guy. I'd be very surprised if anything comes out of him of the of of the other side of the coin because he just seems like genuinely just a round good age.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think you're right. I think he could be seen later on down the line as somebody who would be a legend.

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And I I put him in because I saw you put Ozzie Osborne in, and Ozzy Osborne is very famous for kind of passing the torch on to him for covering was it memories?

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Yeah, oh god, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

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Um so yeah, yeah. What a what a cool man. Yes. What a cool man.

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Absolutely.

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Moving on a little bit from the rock genre, I'm going into the kind of pop side of things. And I've gone with Pink.

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Yeah. Um yeah, I'll agree with you.

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Yeah. Alicia Moore is her real name, just in case you wanted to know. I never knew that. Um, yeah, I did actually. I don't know. I don't know why. But I've been a massive fan of Pink's from really early days. She's uh kind of been um On the radio since I can remember from the 2000s basically and onwards. Um, she started as an RB star and then kind of moved more onto the sort of pop punk. I don't know if you call it punk, but not your style of punk, but my style of punk. Yeah, definitely not punk. Like yeah, yeah, pop punk. Yeah, she uh earned a reputation just for being honest and kind of a very raw person, doing her own activism and stuff like that as well. So just her kind of attitude to life, I think, is what makes her a music legend. She, you know, uh kind of her parenting thoughts as well, like she shares a lot of like what she does what.

SPEAKER_01:

Sorry, I just I was just like I just saw how old she was, and it's like she's four years younger than me. Yeah, so I just scrolled back to see because you never said how old Youngblood was. Oh, right. And I just looked at it the year he was born and then just went, oh Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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1997.

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Yeah, Youngblood is a year younger than me. Yeah. Yeah.

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That's nuts. Yeah. But pink is, yeah, she's uh Yeah.

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I counted pink in my era because that's what her music was. 100%. Um but yeah, she trains as a gymnast for nearly 10 years, and she does that arabatic kind of aerial thing on stage as well, which is so cool, and she can sing doing that as well, which is just another level of coolness um and just amazingness. Her stage name um was inspired partly by the character Mr. Pink and Reservoir Dogs.

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I never knew that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um she sold over 60 million albums worldwide. She performs her own aerial stunts, as I mentioned. She's very outspoken about LGBTQ plus rights, mental health awareness, and women empowerment, which are all three things that I am particularly interested in too. So I think that's probably why I've chosen her. But Pink, what a legend.

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There was uh did you ever see that tweet that someone that someone tweeted Pink No and said, Oh, what is it? Oh, it's called her Lebanese, literally called her Lebanese, and she was just like, What what what are you trying to what you you know saying about her sexuality and saying, Oh, I I wouldn't, you know, um it was something really horrible saying, Oh, I don't take any advice from someone who's Lebanese, and she was just like, What?

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Like what she she has children, she's um yeah, she uh one of her favourite things about Pink is she wrote uh a diss song about her husband, which is called So What. Yeah, it's brilliant that song, and then she also got him to feature in the music video, yeah. Just what a legend, like yeah, and he and she calls him a tool in the video, and he's like on a lawnmower all the way through. It's just the funniest thing how she managed to get convince him to do that. That's just yeah, what a legend.

SPEAKER_01:

Look at Fleetwood Mac. I mean, they I mean, there's go your own way. I mean, t was um Lindsay Buckingham writing that about uh Well her divorce, wasn't it? Yeah, about yeah, and it's just you know, they get they were singing each other's own diss songs.

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Yeah. You know, it's just crazy, crazy. The next one on my list is a guy who wouldn't have normally made it to this list.

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I love this guy.

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But I've got a r I've got I've got my thoughts about it, and people might not agree with me. But I've actually gone with Lewis Capaldi. Lewis Capaldi was born the same year as me, but he is slightly younger than me. Uh he was born in the October, and I was born in the August. Um, he's a Scottish singer-songwriter known for his emotional ballads and self-deprecating humour, which he does on Graham Norton on stage, everywhere. He rose to fame with the song Someone You Loved, which topped the charts around the world. He's got an incredible voice, but doesn't look like the sort of person that would carry that incredible voice. When you look at him, you think, How does that voice come out of you? But yeah. Um, and then I think that kind of adds to his almost his persona a little bit. He was diagnosed with Tourette's syndrome and spoken openly about it. He started singing at the age of four and learned guitar at the age of nine. He was discovered through SoundCloud. Really? What crazy and is known for his hilarious social media presence and unfiltered personality. Um, what is not mentioned on here is um I mentioned it in a previous episode as well, but he donated the amount of hours that he'd been off stage to the um mental health app Better Health to give therapy to people that that needed it but couldn't afford it, which I just think is that's again music legend status for me. Just an all-round good egg doing good in the world.

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I'll be honest, I don't like his music. It's not my thing either, but and I'm not saying I'm not saying it's bad, it's just not my style of music. Musically, it's very good. His voice is amazing, but it's not something that I would listen to.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, he's easy listening, I think. You could put him on in the background and you wouldn't go, uh, this is this is unpleasant. You'd just be like, oh, a song playing.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but his personality, I love a corker. I just absolutely love it. I mean, there's that's there's that interview, isn't there, where someone says, um, I d it wasn't Graham Norton, I think it was the news, and they said, uh, he says, Oh, you've got a new album coming out. Would you like to say anything about your new album? He just says, Don't bother.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's really bad, it's worth it's worse than the first one. Don't buy it, don't waste your money.

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He was on Graham Norton and they were showing um where the tickets were like low tickets, sold out, like this. Leeds had nothing next to it. He went, Can I just speak to the people of Leeds? Like, what are you playing at? Like, it was just so funny. It was so funny. Yeah, he's just just seems like a really good lad, and I think he'll make music legend status, maybe not for his music, maybe more personality, but I still think, again, yeah, just just an all-round good egg, basically.

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Yeah, best friends with Ed as well.

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Is he? Yeah, he's a good friend to see if anyone with Ed Sheeran is a green flag. Speaking of someone that's friendly with uh Ed Sheeran.

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I know that's what I saw because I saw the next name. This is yeah, I I'm I'm I do you know what?

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People will disagree with me, but it's there is there is a known fact that Taylor Swift is a music legend of our day. She is. There is no disputing it for how many album sales she's had, yeah, her stage presence, generally the general hype, the way she kind of messes with her fans with the whole like like treasure hunt of like, you know, um like um to the next song, she's dropping hints and she finds that quite fun and engages with her her fan base like that. There's not many artists that that kind of engage in that way, and I think she just she's you know, phenomenal effort. Uh she was born in 1989, um, December. She's she's a December baby. She's Christmas Baby. Christmas baby.

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Christmas baby.

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Yeah, so she's an American singer-songwriter, most influential artist of her generation, starting in country. She evolved into pop.

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We got stars and music, we got country in Western.

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Yes, she has numerous Grammy wins, record-breaking tours, and her ongoing re-recording project, which I think is what I respect her for the most. So, um, for anyone that doesn't know, Taylor Swift's record uh company uh decided to basically swindle her out of all of her music.

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That was a shit thing to do to her. Absolutely rubbish.

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Did you know that she got the idea of to do that, to re-record all of her stuff? Nope.

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Yeah.

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From Kelly Clarkson's mum. Really? Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Told her to kind of because I think Kelly Clarkson's is it Kelly Clarkson? I can always get this one wrong, actually. Do you know what I've said this fun fact and now I can't remember. Is it Kelly Clarkson's mother-in-law? I can't remember, but one of them gave her the idea to re-record and she went, Oh, yeah, okay, I'll do it. And she did. Her parents sold her cr their Christmas tree farm so that she could pursue her music career. She actually has a song in a repertoire called Christmas Tree Farm, and it is a Christmas song. She re re-recorded her early albums to regain again the ownership of her masters. Uh then uh the number 13 in it is her lucky number and appears throughout her career. Her Ear is tour is the highest-grossing concert tour of all time.

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I'd know so I know a few people who actually went to that and they said it was phenomenal. Elohim, yeah. It was that bit where she dives through the floor.

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Yeah, she's just she just puts on a good show. And she's the first artist in history to hold all top 10 spots on the billboard, hot 100, simultaneously.

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Jesus.

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So that is a music legend.

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Yeah, I know. I will say, I mean, I again I don't like her music. And what I think, and like with I mean, it doesn't happen so much now, but I think people are concentrating more on her personal life than they were on her music at one point.

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Yeah, I think because I think this annoys me about artists because annoys me about sorry, f like non-fans of artists, shall we say, is that oh she wrote this about her her uh oh she's broken up with another boyfriend or she's got engaged, she's gonna have a really good album, or this same with Adele in her divorce. Oh, she's been for a divorce, she's gonna write a really good album. Yeah, that's kind of what artists draw inspiration from. Oh, funnily enough, their own life, like you know, but I think people just kind of forget there's a person behind that mind. Yes, yeah, you know, there's a person behind that persona on stage, and I think you know it's just a bit cruel.

SPEAKER_01:

And also, you know, when when when you write songs, they're incredibly personal. Yeah, and you're actually saying things in those songs that are that hurt. Yeah. Like I when I mentioned it, didn't I? Our gig, I said that this one song is the most Yeah, yeah, this this song I wrote is probably the most telling song about me that I've ever written.

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Yeah, and I think I think Taylor Swift's stuff is very raw. She it comes from a very raw place as well. And I don't I you know it's it's it's worth saying that music of our day and age, you get maybe one hit and then they're gone. One hit one they're gone, right? Taylor Swift's just not like that.

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No.

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No, you know, she's had so many hits, so many, you know, so many things that resonate with a lot of people. There is there is something in there. I mean it might be to do with our fan base potentially, but you know, that I think there's something to say about that.

SPEAKER_01:

That is there's there's something that you've just said there that I think we'll I want to mention before we finish the episode. Something to I've got a questi I've got a question for you.

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Okay.

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That's just popped into my head.

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Go on then. What you want to say at the end?

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I'll say at the end.

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Because I will move on to my last one. Now, my last one I wouldn't have put on there either, but the reason I put this last one on here was because I saw her on stage myself recently. Yeah. I wasn't a fan of her before I saw her live, and now I'm obsessed.

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Well, Chit is obsessed, as we the the character Chit is obsessed with this particular budget. Right in the budget.

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Yeah, so um the last person I want to mention is Chapel Roan. She was born February 19th, 1998. Oh she's two years younger than me. Jesus! Um she's an American pop artist known for her bold aesthetic theatrical performances and emotionally charged lyrics. She first released music in 2017, but her major breakthrough came from um a 2023 viral hit, Good Luck Babe. Her music celebrates queerness, identity, and empowerment, earning her uh critical acclaim and devoted fan base. She honestly commanded that stage. She wasn't even headlining, uh, Hosier was headlining, and while he put on a good show, I'd say Chapel Roan uh topped it for me personally. Her stage presence, she'd done this incredible cover of Heart's Barracuda that I was not expecting from a young girl at all. Incredible, like the show she put on, the outfit and everything she's wearing, and everything she stands for is just really cool. Um so her stage name honours her grandf grandfather and his favourite song, The Strawberry Roan. After being dropped by her label, she worked in a donut shop before relaunching her career. Um, she opened for Olivia Rodrigo and became known for her elaborate drag-inspired stage looks, and during her Grammy acceptance speech for the best new artists, she called for fair pay and health care for musicians.

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So I the reason I started. I mean the audio listeners won't dishear it, but the the video watchers, audio listeners, video watchers will know is that when you said that name, I s I just smiled as I was like the reason why I smiled when you said Chapel Roan is because your mum, right, she absolutely detests Pink Pony Club.

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I don't like Pink Pony Club.

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And every time that comes, it's just like it's just the worst song ever.

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I don't like Pink Pony Club, but have you heard her other stuff?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I've never heard anything she's done.

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Part from Pink Pony Club. I was the same because I'm like, every time I hear Pink Pony Club, it honestly it's like nails on chalkboard to me. It's like Pink Pony Club. And I'm just like, oh my god. But having seen her live, I did not appreciate her. I saw her live and I've listened to her other stuff now. She's got a lovely song called uh Red Wine Supernova.

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Red Horse. No, not Pink Pony. Red Horde Station.

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Red Wine Supernova's good, casual is good, uh, she's got some amazing tracks out there.

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So I'll have a little listen to her.

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Please do, because I misjudged her as well on Pink Pony Club. And Elton John's all all Pink Pony Club as well. He he loved it. He went on stage and sang with her as well. Elton Wood. Elton Wood. But yeah, it just, you know, she's she's obviously reaching the hearts of quite a few legendary musicians as well. Uh I'm just saying I think she's one to watch.

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Okay.

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Excellent.

SPEAKER_02:

I've said it here first, folks.

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They're all your music legends. They are indeed. Um, so my question to finish on. You you said something a little while ago that like kind of.

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I have a feeling I know what your question is.

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And you said about he's basically saying about one hit wonders.

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Yeah.

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Now I know, you know. Oh, someone's up at the door. Oh, it's Anya. Um I've completely lost my train of thought now.

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You were gonna ask me a question about one hit wonders.

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Yeah, one hit wonders. So, the Do you think music legends are now a thing of the past?

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No.

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You don't.

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Because of what I've just talked about in this podcast. There is I don't think music legends are a thing of the past. I think music legends are evolving from legendary vocal work or legendary artistry on stage or whatever you want to say about your particular ones, because most of yours were about the actual music, whereas mine is about what they're actually doing with their voices because they're famous in the music field.

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Yeah.

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You know, what are they actually representing in the world at the moment? And maybe that's a different kind of play on what you deem as a legend to what I deem as a legend. Maybe you you think of a legend as someone that can be musically creative and fantastic in in that realm and in in that sphere. And some of mine, if not all of mine, I've maybe commented on why they're legendary for other reasons.

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Yeah.

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You know, uh Young Blood for ticket prices down, pink for uh, you know, all of her kind of trailblazing and activism, um, Lewis Capoldi for the mental health side, Taylor Swift probably more music related, but you know, and Chapel Roan for her kind of you know what the the kind of her message that she's putting across as well. And I think I think being a music legend doesn't always mean the music.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

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It can do um, you know, it's it's the good that you're doing with your fame as well. So that's where I ride.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. That's how I uh I thought your question was what is what is a music legend? I thought that's what you did.

SPEAKER_01:

Well actually that starts out question. What is a music legend? What you how would you define a music legend?

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I I think I define a music legend as someone that is creates music that resonates with a mass audience and with that mass audience, the message that they are putting across as well to that audience would be what I think makes up a legend. Someone that I thought would crop up potentially in this episode was George Michael.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

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He did a lot of good in the world as well. Um I think if I if you weren't doing this and I just done my music legends, I think George Michael would have been in mine from your era just because of all the charity work and everything he did that he didn't even put his name to. It wasn't like he did it and was like, Oh yeah, I'm George Michael and I did this. It was no, I've got a lot of money and I can do a lot of good with this, but I don't want my name to be with it because I don't want to be seen as I'm just doing this for my fame. I want to do this because I'm a nice person. Um, and I think that's why. Um, same with Prince. I'm surprised Prince didn't come up. There's a few music legends here that I would probably say again, more for their work even outside of music, maybe. You know, I I I think there's there's probably other music legends that we're not thinking of. Maybe there's a couple of people listening to this, and why didn't you say Andrew Lloyd Webber, for example? You know, completely different style of music, and it's theatre and it's still art. You know, is he a music legend? Is Beethoven a music legend? You know, you know, I think it I think it's all it's all down to the subject of the person really and what you what you think. I'm sure there's a lot of people that would disagree with some of the ones I've said personally for the most up-to-date ones, but yeah, I think I think people are legends because they do legendary things. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yep. Okay, should we end it there? Should we end it there? Did I just like No no, not at all. Not at all.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, wonderful if you loved this episode. Uh, we have plenty more in the bank. Um, not really much left to say other than cue the outro. Thanks for joining us on bonus dad, bonus daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye bye.