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The Digital Revolution: From Dial-Up to the Dark Web
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We explore the fascinating world of the internet, examining how it works and its profound impact on society since its relatively recent inception. We discuss everything from the undersea cables carrying 95% of internet traffic to the differences between the surface web, deep web, and dark web.
• The internet's infrastructure includes physical undersea cables, fiber optics, and millions of servers
• Data travels between continents in milliseconds through light in glass tubes
• Only 10% of the internet is visible through standard search engines
• The Deep Web contains legitimate but secured content like banking and medical records
• The Dark Web serves both criminal activities and legitimate purposes like whistleblowing
• Our increasing dependency on the internet means many jobs and daily activities would be impossible without it
• Modern smartphones and AI are creating similar societal responses to those seen when the internet first emerged
• Internet privacy is a growing concern as our devices listen and track our activities
How long could you survive without the internet? Let us know your thoughts on our social media channels or email us – links in bio.
Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me, davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world, Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades, or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook or TikTok Links in bio.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. Apparently my glasses have got stuck in my headphones. Sorry, Immediately was like I can't actually see.
Speaker 1:What's occurring? What's the crack?
Speaker 2:We're going to talk about the internet today.
Speaker 1:We are. We skirted around it again. In previous episodes we talked about technology, but the internet itself, I think, deserves its own episode.
Speaker 2:Is technology off air?
Speaker 1:Did we remove? No, I removed communication because the sound quality was. How ironic. Yeah that is ironic, how ironic. I just thought, don't you think A little too ironic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you really do think sorry we just literally bursted that we didn't even give him a warning. We were going to do that.
Speaker 1:Sorry eardrums, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry yeah, so that is ironic that we removed the communication because it wasn't communicating very well. Yeah, that was. That was when that was a nightmare to mix, because that was because we're recording it as one sound file now and recorded it as two separate sound files on your laptop I had to mirror, marry them up that's what happened I was trying to think how we was that before we were in the previous studio it took. It used to take me like five hours just to do it so far.
Speaker 2:We really have look at what we've got, look what we've built.
Speaker 1:This roadcaster pro 2 is the best investment I've ever made. Really, it is absolutely awesome. I mean just everything about it. I mean and I'm not only using it to we're not a quarter of its potential no really, really not I still think that our intro.
Speaker 1:We're musicians we are musicians, we do need to. Well, this is the thing you see, because now I've got my decks, now I've got the music files, I can create like you can literally create an intro. I don't even need instruments, I can write it and do it all and you have the raw audio. We don't even need to re-record our audio no, I've got the rule, I've got it all I could. I could even do it, but but what we could do, we could start the intro.
Speaker 2:With this voice. Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter podcast. What is such a shame is that the visual watchers of our podcast would not experience what I just had, basically chipmunk Davey in my ear.
Speaker 1:It's great, isn't it? That is so cool. This can do so much.
Speaker 2:Would that come out on the recording?
Speaker 1:It will come out on the recording. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, do, another one Do another one.
Speaker 1:What about this one?
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, you sound like. How come it doesn't work for me? Is it just on your mic? Take me to your leader. Yeah, you, you sound like an evil villain, but like one that would live in a cave. Yes, or there's this one. Oh, that's evil villainous.
Speaker 1:Welcome to my cave, Can you? Oh hello, Can we have a clean up on aisle four please?
Speaker 2:Oh, my God, it is. So Can you go back to the other one and say the Cave of Wonders, the Cave of Wonders. Yes, if anyone's watched Aladdin, you'd know what I'm on about see, I mean, yeah, there's loads there's absolutely loads.
Speaker 1:I mean this. This is like only well, a fraction, a fraction of what this thing can do. That's mad. We can make phone calls on this as well I know we can.
Speaker 2:I know you've mentioned this before getting people on air. Maybe that's a way to get people guests. Yeah, they don't even have to come to us anymore.
Speaker 1:That wouldn't work for the visual YouTube.
Speaker 2:What if you gave me the soundbite?
Speaker 1:If I gave you the soundbite, you could mix it in. Yes, you could, that would work, that would work. So, anyway, should. Yes, so do you know how? The internet actually works do you know what it is, tumbleweed, how it actually works.
Speaker 2:What the internet actually is, I it's.
Speaker 1:It's a collection of, uh, of an archive of, of information yeah but no, so I can't believe it's free oh yeah, well, basically, you have a device, right, your your device, uh, on on the device you then have an isp address, which is your device. That gets sent to a dns, which gets sent to a server, and then you get your website and your website sits on the server. So a dns is what is almost like a, like a phone book for websites, gotcha, that's, that's, that's kind of what that is what?
Speaker 2:What does DNS stand?
Speaker 1:for I don't know, I don't know, data something, server, I assume.
Speaker 2:I imagine a data network server.
Speaker 1:I don't know it's definitely a network server, for sure, but I do know that HTTP means that the website is secure and HTTPS means that it is insecure. Hittipus.
Speaker 2:Hittipus, yes.
Speaker 1:Do you know how the internet actually travels?
Speaker 2:Magic.
Speaker 1:Sorcery, complete sorcery.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:How does it work?
Speaker 2:Magic? I have no idea. Oh magic, oh okay, my answer is my magic.
Speaker 1:95% of it is in undersea cables Dude. So you know, is in undersea cables Dude. So you know, like Wi-Fi, everyone's like, oh, wi-fi, that must be the most. 95% of it is actually under the sea cables.
Speaker 2:Nothing is more stable than cable.
Speaker 1:Exactly, that is true, I found that out. So if you are, if you're like a hostile nation and you want to cut the internet from a country, Snip, snip into the sea. Exactly that Snip, snip, snip, snip, you cut somebody. Do we have a?
Speaker 2:cable to America.
Speaker 1:We do.
Speaker 2:Snip, snip, so can you imagine. I'm not saying we should snip snip America. I'm just saying we should protect the snip snip from happening.
Speaker 1:But, like other forms of technology, the internet. We've lost so much skill, haven't we, because of the internet.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if we were to lose the internet tomorrow, we would be plunged right back to the dark ages.
Speaker 2:I actually couldn't do my job, whereas you can.
Speaker 1:I could do my job.
Speaker 2:You can still do your job to a very high standard.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:My job relies on the internet.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:My job is on the internet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:I no.
Speaker 1:There is, we would literally be plunged back to the dark ages.
Speaker 2:So without with the removal of internet, because Wi-Fi calling is a thing we'd have to go back to. When we call someone, it would be to dial over phone line.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude to when we call someone, it would be to dial over phone line. Yeah, dude, I know. And how quick it is. So data goes from continent to continent in milliseconds, literally. This is how fast this thing is mad so when you actually look at the, the internet, and, as I say, you know, without it we would be, we would be lost. We would be as societies, we would be lost. Now we rely so much on the internet for everyday life, absolutely everything, and like even chat. Gpt has just changed, completely, revolutionized we are.
Speaker 2:We are using the internet now. The reason our files are stored on an internet server and I bring them up exactly our bdbd podcast drive, not to not to, like you know, completely unveil our secrets, but we use google drive to do not not sponsored.
Speaker 1:Uh, we use google drive to pass files to each other because it's easier than sending a pdf to yeah or text message but bearing in mind sort of you know, think of how long the world humans have been on the planet, well, kind of it's kind of debatable how long we've actually have been here. But say modern day humans, right, say like since, let's go, not go religion or anything like that. But let's just say the last 2000 years is when kind of society started to get a little bit, and the last hundred years maybe a little bit more than that, since the international revolution. It then sort of exponentially exploded in technology and what we do. So, bearing in mind that the first message which could really kind of be seen to be internet was in 1969, 1969 and that was pre-davey yeah, pre-davey, six years before I was born, so 56 years ago.
Speaker 1:I can do maths very quickly at the moment because I am 50. So there was actually a message between UCLA and Stanford and they were it crashed, it didn't work. It didn't work, but it was only four years later. The first international connection between UK and Norway was 52 years ago.
Speaker 2:Wow, 52 years ago 52 years ago. It was the first message that's so recent. That's the first message that is so recent.
Speaker 1:Oh my God. And in 1983, there was a thing called. Apronet, which computers switched over, considered to be the birth of the modern internet, and it was only in 1989 that the World Wide Web was proposed. And it was only in 1991 public access to the web begun.
Speaker 2:And just in case anyone didn't know this very fun fact, that's why it's wwwistheworldwidewebcom. Yes exactly.
Speaker 1:So that's absolutely nuts, isn't it?
Speaker 2:That is insane. This is still pre-Hannah, but not that far pre-hannah, exactly that's mad yeah, I'm just talking to myself in third person okay so this is while enduring.
Speaker 1:You were born, so you were two, when google was founded I was born before google you were born before google that seems insane stat yeah, and it was I am older than google yeah, and it was only smartphones in 2007 that really took. It really exploded the internet yeah, so I.
Speaker 2:I remember the internet for when I was little. The internet for me was gaming. Yeah, a little tiny 2d. Yeah, I can't even remember they were just like these little blobs and that you could play soccer with them or you could soccer um, or you could play pool, or you could like, play worms, based um essentially. What was worms, then snake as well.
Speaker 1:What was that?
Speaker 2:bob larkin. Mum thought this is so funny. There's a game called worms and it's on PlayStation. This is such a segue off of the internet because it's not even on the internet and essentially they say the little worms say something like you'll regret that and stuff like that. She thought one of them said Bob Larkin, not stop laughing, which is what it actually says. So funny, bob Larkin. Bob Larkin, that's like.
Speaker 1:Nanaana, calling frankie and benny's. Oh no, frankie, frankie and benny's. Lenny and henry's, lenny and henry's, that's it so funny yeah, anyway, sorry. Um. So a couple of fun things. It was in 1996. You remember the, the dancing baby that got spread around via email.
Speaker 2:That was like one of the first kind of meme type thing, did you just ask me if I remember something in 1996?
Speaker 1:No, no, but do you ever hear, not that you remember it. Can you remember that it was a, not that it was a. You know that it was a thing.
Speaker 2:It may have been about of my birth, but I was, I the dancing baby.
Speaker 1:No, you weren't the dancing baby. Thank God, baby. No, you weren't the dancing baby you weren't the dancing baby.
Speaker 2:Was the baby? Was the baby clothed?
Speaker 1:but uh, I can't remember. I can't actually remember what it looked like. A bit weird, if it weren't. But then in 1999 and this I, oh, still savage about this to this day napster 1999 completely changed millennium yeah, completely changed the way the music industry was.
Speaker 2:Can I ask, because we're now getting into, let's stop at 1999, because we've got the millennium coming up and we haven't spoken past the millennium yet? What was internet like for you? When did you start using it as a domestic?
Speaker 1:I remember when I first bought my computer so I was living in philips road, so it was just before I met you in norwich st park, the parker bell yeah, so it would have been. It would. It would have been either like 2000 or 2001 was my first computer that I attached to the internet because I remember you having that parkard. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2:This computer had. It was massive, like the old tellies used to be. It had a glass screen which you don't get anymore. That's not even a thing anymore, like you could literally tap the screen.
Speaker 1:It was curved as well.
Speaker 2:It was curved and it had like from memory, it was like a grey colour with like blue or like a turquoisey kind of border on the speakers which you brought for it. Yeah, obviously it had a wired keyboard, wired mouse and the mouse had a ball Ball in it that you just have to clean. What Like? How crazy is it that we don't even have ball mouses anymore? No, and I remember that.
Speaker 1:I was there 83 years ago 2004, right Ish. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sorry, when did you meet mum?
Speaker 1:So 2003. Oh, 2003.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I misspoke 2003. 2003. Sorry, I misspoke 2003.
Speaker 1:So that made me four, five, seven years old.
Speaker 2:Sorry, baths is eluding me today as well. So yeah, I was seven years old and I remember that. I think that's the first computer I remember.
Speaker 1:And that was dial-up yeah it was.
Speaker 2:I remember the noise of dial-up. A lot of people will be like, oh, you're not a true millennial. You don't remember the noise of dial-up? I actually do, so stuff you. We were a bit behind the times. Yeah, that's crazy. So what was it like? Like being domestically having access to the internet, like what was that feeling of like? Did it feel like you're in the future?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really did. It was like opening up a gateway to the entire world.
Speaker 2:Because I would admit, I probably don't remember the world without internet because, you know, being of that age, that's when you start to your memory starts to form a little bit better, like I don't remember much before that time. So I I, although I lived in a world without domestic internet, I suppose in our family I didn't yeah, I don't remember, I don't remember a world without it, whereas you do oh yeah, I remember so I would have been.
Speaker 1:So I was 20, I would have been 26 when I actually had the first one I had. So it's half of my year.
Speaker 2:So I've only known the internet for half my half my life that's crazy yeah so I was speaking to a friend who's 10 years older than me um the other day and she was saying that in order to look up what was at the cinema, you'd look on the telly at the teletext. Yeah, cfax cfax.
Speaker 1:That's what she said cfax, and yeah, and teletext and I was like I would.
Speaker 2:I would literally just google it, like I'd google our local cinema, which is a view or or odn, depending on which one, uh, which one's showing? We've got an app now or an app, yeah, but that connects to the internet and I would just go on there and be like, oh yeah, let's watch this, and then just book it there and then like on the internet, it would take me seconds. So this is the thing I was watching.
Speaker 1:I was watching telly. Yeah, I was watching something on telly the other day like, um, oh god, what was it? The? The prequel to yellowstone, like 1923, right, and basically without spoiling any any of the story, the two main characters kind of get split up in, uh, on a boat on a boat. So they had to get back to america through different ways and it basically took them months of not seeing each other, just trying to go from, like, italy to america and they end up do kind of meeting back up in america. But they didn't speak to each other for months and they were trying to send letters, write letters to each other.
Speaker 2:It's like it would just be a whatsapp message now or it would be, you know and and I wonder how relieved you would be that when you met up in that spot, however, months, however many months later, how much of a like oh my god, it's amazing, I can actually see you, whereas us it wouldn't mean a thing, like we'll meet up in another country. Oh okay, hi, it's nice to meet you in Italy, like you know, when we could have potentially crossed paths, because I could have potentially been going to New York for work and you were there and it was like crazy how.
Speaker 2:I might have passed you in the airport and that's like. That would have been crazy. But at least we could have messaged each other like, oh, my flight's delayed, I'm not going to make it in time, or you know. I'm like oh, you know, I'm just about to board the plane. Sorry, I missed you. Sort of thing. It would never be a surprise that I'd see you at the airport because I would know.
Speaker 1:But I wouldn't even need to ask you when your flight was. I could look it up myself.
Speaker 2:Other than having the flight number, you could just be like, oh, she's likely to be on this flight, Like how crazy is that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, all that information, everything is there at a fingertip and it's instant.
Speaker 2:It's instant, but it's also it must have been, and I'm just assuming here and I'm trying to kind of, I'm trying to probe you a little bit, sorry, but I imagine it was probably quite scary because suddenly you've got all this information at the end of your fingertips and you can find out where anyone is pretty much by what they're not back then, because it's still quite slow with dial-up it was slow, but I feel like you could still.
Speaker 2:There's still things that you could have accessed. I I just imagine it was quite scary. There's a part of me that thinks maybe people were frightened of this coming into it. Oh, there was. I mean that, yeah of course it's like.
Speaker 1:It's like ai. You know, people are always scared of the unknown and people you know you see it on the news. Now it's like we do some type of progress and suddenly there's protests or there's think tanks that say don't do it because it's going to be. With everything new that comes in, there's always dangers and people get scared because it's the unknown. People don't like the unknown. I mean the way that the internet is set up today. If you were to go back, yeah, 20 years and show someone an iphone with the apps and how you know and how you can, what access, how you can get, or just even going in with chat gpt, I'd probably my mind would just be like this is some surreal futuristic shit, yeah, futuristic thing.
Speaker 2:And that's why films like Back to the Future are quite funny, because you can see how they tried to predict what 2015 would look like and they weren't really that far off. Because the scene that gets me most is when they're in the restaurant and then there's all the screens talking to them. When you go into McDonald's, now, what do you do? I don't go up to the, yeah. When you go into mcdonald's now what do you do?
Speaker 2:I don't go up to the human I go up to the screen exactly uh, self checkouts. It's the same, it's the same principle. Like they, they knew, you know, we, we can kind of mildly, I guess, predict how the future would be. But now I'm struggling with ai coming in.
Speaker 1:I not sure what the next 10 years?
Speaker 2:I'm not sure what the next 10 years are going to look like you know, I don't know um, I'm not worried about it, like I'm not, I'm not. I guess there's no real fear there. I'm just intrigued, kind of to know, like, oh, like apprehensive, maybe not scared, but apprehensive I imagine that's what a lot of people felt like when the internet came in.
Speaker 1:Of course they do yeah, of course they do.
Speaker 2:I mean I, I would say you know, I'm, I'm, I'm fairly tech savvy I mean as in, I can get my way around yeah, but you only ever really ask for mitchell's help if it's something like you're like I don't know what to buy next or I don't know this very technical issue that I'm having like you don't tend to. You tend to ask. I would assume chat gpt first well, yeah, yeah help you with your query, or the internet, or whatever you use, um exactly yeah, I imagine you would use that first but I I do wonder, think, as time goes on, like with, with I mean like an a.
Speaker 1:I know I know this is, this is just on on the internet, we're not going. We've already done a thing on ai, but ai is going into so many different things. I mean, for example, I was and again even myself my mind changes because I was very anti-chat gpt when it first came out.
Speaker 2:I know you were yeah.
Speaker 1:But I use it all the time now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:One other thing that I was very dubious about and I kind of still am to a degree is like when Meta brought out the spy glasses I call them spy glasses, you know, with the glasses with the cameras in them. Yeah, when they first came out I was was like jesus christ. That is a privacy nightmare. You know, you could walk into a toilet with these glasses and record someone on the toilet and they wouldn't know. I mean, this isn't absolutely, but last week I found myself looking for a pair. Do you know why? Why, because when I went to bankaster and we were out on the water and I was taking film with my, my iphone at the sunset was like if I had sunglasses with a camera in it, it would be so much easier to just put the glass on record and then, whatever I'm looking at, I'm filming.
Speaker 1:I need to do a little bit more research because they haven't quite got the image stabilisation thing quite right yet. So I'm going to wait a little while. But again, that's where I was very dubious of it to start with. But then I can see, because my immediate reaction is people are going to abuse it yeah, I think there is.
Speaker 2:There is a boundary, particularly like with the internet coming in as well. It's all about accessibility, right, and I'm not saying that from a disabled point of view, I'm saying that from, uh, making life easier point of view. You have just quite in your words. You said it would be so much easier if I had glasses that could record what I'm looking at. Yes, it would. Did you know that the electric toothbrush which I think I'm gonna guess a majority of the population use now rather than a manual one? Um, did you know that the the whole reason they made the electric toothbrush was was for disabled people that couldn't particularly brush their teeth or grip a normal tiny toothbrush? That's why electric toothbrushes are slightly thicker as well. They're an adaptive feature that now everyone uses and it's funny how we come into life and we're like oh you know, the internet's coming in, ai's coming in, or whatever. This is all to make life easier yeah yes, I can kind of see the.
Speaker 2:I can understand the, the argument for we're going to lose the ability to um think for ourselves. I guess it's another way. It can go the other way and that's where we need this nice boundary in place. We need this nice in between where we can use ai to our advantage for adaptability reasons, ai in particular, what we mentioned in the ai podcast please go and check that one out.
Speaker 2:But I said in the medical field it's doing quite well it's mapping the body how it can map all your moles on your body and then you go back a year later and if there's any changes in those moles you can get skin cancer really like you can diagnose this really quickly and I mean for diagnostic purposes. I think it's amazing. But yeah, you're right, there's an element of that. And I wonder, when the internet came in again, people were having these, these, oh you know what? So you can't look in a book anymore, you can't read anymore exactly that, exactly that, it's that attitude towards it.
Speaker 2:I think, um, that probably changed and I'm curious to know if you're experiencing the same thing now coming into ai.
Speaker 1:You were old enough, I guess it's the same, it's the same, it's the same, it's the same. How interesting is that?
Speaker 2:that we are living. We're basically um history kind of repeating itself.
Speaker 1:Well, it does with, and again, this is psychology. So something new comes in. You immediately get two groups of people. You get the group of people that see it as fascinating research that is going to push forward with human development. Then on the other side you've got the people who are saying well, no, it's going to destroy us. You know the doom, you know that your worst case scenario people. I must admit I kind of sit the fence a lot of the time. Um, sometimes I do flip over, depending on, and I one day what I think of ai might be that is brilliant, it's amazing. Same with the internet. The next day I might get really worried about it. So I do flip between the two. But then you get it, and again, it's the same as the grief. It's, it's the grief curve, isn't it, it's exactly that, so you get anger depression.
Speaker 2:Denial it's not happening, denial exactly.
Speaker 1:And then you eventually come up to acceptance. Yeah, and, and that's the same thing, people accept it, and then it becomes the norm, and then it's the next thing because I, as someone that hasn't really lived without the internet, I can't imagine life without it.
Speaker 2:We said at the start of this episode that we cannot really function if the internet just suddenly went. The world would suddenly stop, stock markets would crash, everything would crash. Literally everything is within seconds. Yeah, and I don't know what protection there is out there to stop that from happening.
Speaker 1:I assume there is, there isn't. The thing is you look at fight. You ever seen the film fight club? No, fight club. So the very fight I mean spoiler alert, but it's only been out 30 years but then in in fight club, the very final scene is they blow up the credit card companies right to reset everyone's debt they cover that in mr robot as well. Yeah, I mean that's so your debt, your, your money is just numbers in a screen on a server in a bank yeah, if you could.
Speaker 2:All money is now. It's just numbers on a screen go in. If I could go in and just add a couple of zeros to my bank balance the industry I work in as well, I sometimes like have to pinch myself that they're spending money on these products that that we sell and I'm like that's a deposit for a house, like like things like that. It is just numbers on a screen. That's all I think about money now, yeah that is all money is.
Speaker 1:You know, back, way back when, before, I even probably before I don't want to even tell you what my budget is at work yeah, like I mean it's ridiculous I mean before the internet.
Speaker 2:We didn't even have um contactless payment right yeah that's, that's, that's magic to me when debit cards first came out I'm sure you do, like I'm, and I'm assuming that was pre-internet, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly so like no, would it be? Yeah, it was pre-internet, suddenly like, oh shit, maybe it wasn't, but yeah, like pre-internet, because imagine them coming out and people like no coins are the only thing I can imagine the, the backlash of all the transactions would go through the phone.
Speaker 1:At the end of the day, how crazy is that, how insane.
Speaker 2:To me that is like yeah at the end of the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go through the telephone like what that's so crazy, yeah so essentially was the kind of the internet, but it would be an intranet.
Speaker 2:Intranet yeah.
Speaker 1:Intranet. Yeah, so a few other little facts for you. Google's data centre runs millions, millions of servers.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And again this goes back to what you were saying before about chat, gpt and the environmental impact, because of the amount of server space? Yes, saying before about chat, gpt and the environmental impact because of the amount of service space. Yes, so a lot of it uses fiber optics, which is basically it's light through glass tubes, which is where you can see why that data goes through in milliseconds, because it's going at the speed of light.
Speaker 2:Wow we're so clever, aren't? We humans are so clever we are. Maybe not the vast majority, but there are some really clever humans and the next one.
Speaker 1:This kind of fact. I genuinely thought this was the case. Go on. Do you know what Wi-Fi stands for? I have no idea. I used to thought it stood for wireless fidelity.
Speaker 2:Right, apparently doesn't mean nothing wireless fidelity means like uh truthful right, yeah so true wire yeah, oh, and wi-fi.
Speaker 1:And what is the cloud? What is the cloud?
Speaker 2:it's storage that is not on your yeah, it's essentially.
Speaker 1:It's on someone else's server, so it's still. There is no cloud. The cloud does not exist, it's just another server.
Speaker 2:It's just another server, but it's not stored locally on your device.
Speaker 1:Do you know how much the internet weighs?
Speaker 2:I'm intrigued to know how many gigabytes the internet is.
Speaker 1:How much the internet actually weighs in physical form.
Speaker 2:I mean, are we talking about the servers?
Speaker 1:No, no, just the internet, the data, Data itself. So you think it's light going through. It's less than 50 grams.
Speaker 2:Oh, freaking hell. Less than 50 grams Less than two apples.
Speaker 1:Less than two apples is the weight of the whole internet Shit. That's because it's electron movement.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's data over electrons. How many emails are sent each day, do you think?
Speaker 2:I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I haven't read the script 300 billion 300 billion 300, but most of it's spam.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, would you like your penis enlarged?
Speaker 2:So your first go-to Mine is actually I do get blue pills a lot, do you? I do, and I'm a a woman, so I don't know why they're targeting me with it. I don't have erectile dysfunction, oh do you know what annoys me?
Speaker 1:it's like when you, when you go onto a website, you go somewhere and then you accidentally sign up to their newsletter and then you end up with I mean, I've seen you do as well, because we both share the bdbd podcast email yeah I'll go on there, my phone will come up and I'll go really, and then suddenly it'll just disappear before my eyes. So I thought, well, hannah's got that one we do.
Speaker 2:Actually, on that note, there is. There is someone who does keep emailing us, and I'm because I've emailed us a couple of times now I don't know if it is actually legitimate- I don't think we've had a few emails that are not legit right, because if you, if, if you are watching this and you have actually emailed us and you are the author of it, it's a book. If you're an author of a book? Yes, we would more than happily have you on the podcast. I don't have a problem with that at all.
Speaker 1:No, not at all.
Speaker 2:Your email just looked a bit spammy. So if you have genuinely emailed us in and you're thinking why have you not replied? It's because we both thought it was spam.
Speaker 1:So, um, maybe just just just say hi, hi, something like a little bit more colloquially.
Speaker 2:I I understand that you probably sent this email to a lot of people, so again, I can understand why it looks a bit copy and pasted. But I'm really sorry if we we just completely ignored you, but I kept thinking that was spam and I have been deleting it. But the same person has come up like a three times now. Yeah, um, so I was like maybe they are legit.
Speaker 1:Just looking at my own emails right, I've got Spotify Spotify for artists, but that's quite. It tells me how much. How much Mammal's been listened to on Spotify.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Quite a lot actually.
Speaker 2:I get a lot of buzzsprout ones. Cash money make it rain royalties 0.01. Subscribe to stuff like that, because I do. I am subscribed to all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, british Gas Ancestry LinkedIn Argos Halfords.
Speaker 2:LinkedIn send you a lot of emails, oh God.
Speaker 1:LinkedIn craze me. Linkedin does send a lot of emails. They really do Facebook, linkedin, linkedin, linkedin, linkedin. I need to delete some of these.
Speaker 2:You can stop all those from happening. But, yeah, you're right. Like a lot of them is from the things that you've signed up for. I get a lot of so say, I've bought from a particular retailer and then they say sign up to our newsletter and you get 10% off that order. I tend to then get a lot of those emails, but some of them I don't mind having.
Speaker 2:I also subscribe to a, basically a system that tells me what cheap Amazon Kindle books there are going on at the moment. So I look through there and I get some new reads which I really enjoy. But yeah, you're right there's a lot of rubbish I would say maybe 50% of my emails is legitimate and the other 50% is just marketing rubbish which either gets deleted or potentially looked at depending on what company it is.
Speaker 1:So what do you think the most visited site is?
Speaker 2:I mean it's got to be Google. I think Google is the go-to search engine. There are others, there are Bing, do you?
Speaker 1:remember, ask Jeeves.
Speaker 2:You were just thinking we were on the same wavelength there. Ask Jeeves was funny. Bing, I think, is the only real, true competitor. Yahoo is another one. What's the msn one? Um, not hotmail. No, not aol. It's not called. That though, is it? I can't remember what it's called, what server's called, but yeah, it's, it's the msn, like the xbox version um the second most is youtube yeah yeah, I think the internet as well has probably lost a lot of people, some jobs, but also created a lot of jobs.
Speaker 1:Oh, it has the reason.
Speaker 2:I'm saying this is because my job would not be possible without the internet. Likewise, we repaired we, mitchell, repaired our door the other day using the internet, so we didn't have to get someone, we didn't have to pay for someone to come and fix it. So there's kind of like you know, pros and cons to the internet, but I think probably initially it probably reduced a lot of jobs, but now it's definitely created like a workforce, essentially using the internet to their advantage. Cool, Sorry.
Speaker 1:A couple of myths.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 1:So you know, when you put your private browsing on, it's supposed to make you invisible. Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love an incognito search.
Speaker 1:No, no, supposed to make you invisible? Yeah, no, oh, I love an incognito search. No, no, no, no, your isp, um, the dns will still see that it's you. Ah, so it's not, it isn't, it's, it's, you're not invisible. To go to go, and we'll come on to it. I'm gonna do a little section in a second on the deep and the dark web. So, yeah, um, do you know that you can delete something off the internet forever?
Speaker 2:No, you can't yeah, I hear this, you can't. Any picture you put on there is on there forever.
Speaker 1:It's there, it's there.
Speaker 2:Every single thing you've posted.
Speaker 1:And what did you say earlier on in the episode you?
Speaker 2:said the internet is free. Okay, let me take this back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It is accessibility wise. Yeah, it is accessibility-wise in order to get onto Google technically free.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Google is free.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To an extent, not for the advertisers, but we'll get onto that. But yes, in order to access the internet, we pay an internet provider. For example, we pay BT. Some people will pay Virgin. Who's your internet provider?
Speaker 1:BT.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're BT as as well.
Speaker 1:It's very common in the uk I think bt is probably up there.
Speaker 2:So yeah, okay, technically the internet isn't free and it's not accessible to all, but there are ways people can access it for free. I think that's worth noting. For example, people can go to the library if they can get there yes it does rely on them being able to obviously go to the library. But let's just in most senses, the internet can be free to access, but maybe not immediately.
Speaker 1:Yes, well.
Speaker 2:We're doing well in the UK, I think we have very good access in that sense.
Speaker 1:But the thing is, you are paying with your data.
Speaker 2:Yes, that is another factor.
Speaker 1:The amount of companies that I I mean. My phone is listening. Now we could say things and I'll start getting adverts for stuff yes, absolutely.
Speaker 2:We know that's a fact. Now we know that's happening.
Speaker 1:Do you want to know something scary today? That's what I was just looking for my notifications but I've deleted it off. To prove it to you. I sat in the car today. Yeah, got in the car, put on the, put the phone on the side. Immediately it came up google maps knows where you're going to your address.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, same thing to your address. Yeah, automatically it also knows which I think is a really good feature if I have something in my diary and I've linked a location to it, it will automatically pull up that location because it knows that I'm going to that that place at that time, because my calendar is linked also to the map as well yeah which I do think is a really good feature. But you're right, it's starting to learn your trends yeah I bet that probably happens most sundays.
Speaker 1:It does even when you're not coming to me, yeah it will come up with someone here and on fridays, on fridays, they'll tell me how far morrison's is, because that's when I go shopping. It's just other supermarkets are available. It knows?
Speaker 2:yeah, it does we tested it once. I can't remember if we were talking about so we have a cat, we don't have a dog and we just we start talking about dog food, dog food, dog food dog food, dog food dog food and then suddenly I was getting ads for dog food and I was like it does listen it really does and an odd thing will be in a conversation we'll'll be talking about bikes or something, something so random, and then suddenly adverts for bikes. It knows.
Speaker 1:It does, it doesn't yeah. Then it sends your algorithm, so that what we know and that what we look at on the Internet is what 10% of what actually is on the Internet.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Because there is a.
Speaker 2:What lurks beneath the surface. Father, I just saw.
Speaker 1:Yes, I just saw your subject yeah, you get the deep web and you get the dark web. So there's a difference here. I'm going to tell you kind of because I've had a little look into this, because I wanted to make sure that I got it right, okay, okay. So you've got the web that we see, the top end of the internet, which is about 10% of the, and then you've got 90%. 90% of the internet is the deep and the dark web.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So the deep web is legit, okay. Okay, what the deep web is? It's like academic databases, medical records, online banking, private email. So it is stuff, but it's secure secure. Okay, it's secure it's anything that isn't and anything that isn't indexed by standard search engines yeah, understood, so yeah stuff that's stored yeah, so there's a lot of stuff on there, but it is legal, it is legit. This is the deep web yeah, okay, yeah okay but it's just much more secure credit cards, all of that yeah, all that information is on the deep web.
Speaker 1:Okay, then you've got something called the dark web. Now, this is where the weird shit happens yeah okay, so the dark web is accessed by what's called an onion router, called tor, and the reason why it's called onion it's an onion router because there's layers and that's why ogres have layers.
Speaker 2:They should have called it shrek, but here we go.
Speaker 1:It anonymizes your traffic through multiple layers, pings off all vpns and all kinds of things. Uh, you cannot search it via google. You have to know where you're going on the dark web. I got a little bit scared actually googling some of this. I'm not gonna lie, I was being very, very careful. Um so what is on there? So what actually? What immediately do you think when you think of dark web drugs?
Speaker 2:okay, you went drugs is my first thing. I think of limbs as well, for some reason so like like murder isn't. Oh no, all right, sorry, yeah let me rephrase I was thinking heart's liver, like stuff that has been oh, like organs, organ trafficking yeah, okay, that's immediately where my mind is organ trafficking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's all I think about. Okay, that's all you think about drugs and organ trafficking honestly, if I could sell my womb, I would oh yeah, yeah, I'm just putting it out there, I would easy so. So what else do you think is on there? Why do you think people use the dark web?
Speaker 2:I'm.
Speaker 1:I mean, my mind goes to crime, obvious crime so human trafficking yeah, selling drugs, selling organs pictures that shouldn't be viewed but yeah, yes, yeah, murders, murderers for hire, that that type of thing. Yeah, exactly, my mind goes exactly. So the crime is most of it illegal markets such as drugs, fake ids, weapons, that type of thing now no, you can just go into walmart and buy what there are apparently some forums on there as well, which some of which are harmless, which conspiracy theorists use so that people, because they're conspiracy theorists- they don't want the government watching what they're doing so they're doing legitimate stuff, but doing it through the dark web so they don't get tracked yeah because they're conspiracy.
Speaker 1:Now, this is the one thing that I didn't think of, but actually it makes bloody perfect sense that this is on the dark web, and I can see why. Go on Whistleblowers.
Speaker 2:Yes, yep.
Speaker 1:Whistleblowers for companies will use the dark web to give away information about that type of thing. They're not going to do it over the normal internet, are they?
Speaker 2:No, of course not.
Speaker 1:So you look at, like Julian Assange or what's his name, who legged it from America? Wikipedia man, yeah, I can. What's his name? Who legged it from America?
Speaker 2:Wikipedia, man, yeah, I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1:I can't remember his name either, but Wikileaks and all that.
Speaker 2:Wikileaks. That's what I was trying to think of that will all be.
Speaker 1:That will all be through the dark web yeah the other thing that's in the dark web as well political activism, of course. Yeah, so, yeah. So it isn't just crime, it's not crime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I immediately went to crime. You're right, there's probably good uses of the dark web.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people wanting to remain anonymous to do good as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:As well as do bad. So how it actually works is you have the Tor network. It's on a Tor network and that hides the IP address by going through nodes.
Speaker 2:Then you've got the onion routing which encrypts the layers stripped at each step, and also cryptocurrency is then used for transactions. I was just about to say that is crypto on the dark web, then not. Yeah, is that where that information is stored?
Speaker 1:that makes sense, yeah, yeah so now it says it get fiction against fiction versus reality. It said people think that you'll be hacked just by opening Tor. Nope, you won't Not, unless you download sketchy stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in which case you will. Yeah, I imagine the police monitor certain avenues of Tor.
Speaker 1:Of course they do. There will be people who will actually go into dark websites to monitor them as well. Yeah, of course they will.
Speaker 2:I think those causing harm 100 mostly I don't think whistleblowers would probably be the top of their list.
Speaker 1:I imagine people like well you do, looking at industrial espionage, that wouldn't be the police because well it could be crime.
Speaker 2:It depends I was thinking more like human trafficking.
Speaker 1:Oh, god, yeah, stuff like that, yeah, indecent imagery. That's where I was going with that, yeah they're more likely looking for those people, presumably but again this and the next one is like, only criminals use the dark web. No, journalists, activists. And did you know? Even facebook has a dark web version, apparently not scenics. I've been on the dark web, but apparently facebook has a dark web version doesn't surprise me so like, almost like linkedin for the dark web nuts, isn't it?
Speaker 2:linkedin is dark web yeah, yeah, that's what it feels like. Yeah, oh, dear lord.
Speaker 1:So so yeah, you've got, you've got those two, you've got that like, and that's only 10 of the internet is what we see yeah, so you said 10 of the internet is what we see yeah how many percentage was the like the? The bank stuff. Deep web is the majority of it 80, then yeah, because you think of all the banks, all the transactions, all that secure information and all of that data that is. There's a lot, a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:That's everybody's personal data yeah, it's all my medical records.
Speaker 1:I have a lot of them, exactly every every single person on those medical records will be stored on that deep web. So that's the main bulk of it. And then you've got the dark web sketchy shit underneath it.
Speaker 2:I wonder how much my data is in gigabytes. I don't know, See another stat I'd love to know when I die. There's a few things I've always said about when I die. I want some stats. I want to know how many times I've been around a roller skating rink, and I want to know how much data I have in gigabytes, or maybe terabytes.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know, Because all the podcast episodes. I'd class that as my data.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course it is.
Speaker 2:And I know how much that that is in gigabytes. Yeah, god, that terabyte drive's doing. I know well, yeah, mine's, mine's really well getting there. Mine's doing this thing where I've got so much on it it's going when I use it now and I'm like I know, I thought.
Speaker 1:I thought like it's getting angry. I bought that drive and I thought that was gonna last me years.
Speaker 2:No, it's literally lasted. When did we start the studio? It's been a year since we've been here. No.
Speaker 1:No, it hasn't been a year since we've been in this one in your house.
Speaker 2:No, no, it's not, but it's almost halfway full.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. It's nuts, isn't it? It's absolutely nuts Crazy. So the internet is really useful, isn't it? For things? Because, like we said, it connects the world, connects us all over the world. But and we've mentioned this in other podcasts as well it can spread misinformation.
Speaker 2:It can be used as it's like anything that's been used as a tool for wrong Misinformation and a warped view on modern day life, 100%. My mind immediately goes to Instagram models, things like that that may ruin self-esteem, yeah, but then also misinformation of, uh, geopolitical, uh things in the world. Um, I won't go into it, but yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:propaganda, for example, is another thing, another word that's tossed around a lot recently, but, um, yeah, I mean, all I can say on that is the thing is people, and I just wish, I wish people would just really do some research before jumping jumping you know, look at all, look at the everything triples check, double check, triple check, quad, triple check sources. Get a balanced view of everything. Don't just listen to sound bites. And yeah, you know uh, tiktok investigators. Don't get me wrong, I love tiktok. I just find it hilarious.
Speaker 2:But I can't get on with tiktok. I just, I'm just not. I just I'm always doom scrolling, I know you're, you're so good at it and I'm just like doesn't interest me. Tiktok. Tiktok feels childish in comparison to insta reels and I can't explain why I genuinely cannot expand or explain why.
Speaker 1:Sorry, please carry on I was gonna say what should we? Should we finish off on what is? What's the weirdest thing? I would say the weirdest, strangest kind of rabbit hole you've ever gone down on the internet honestly honestly princess diana really, that's not what I thought you were gonna say slash madeline mccann that's where I thought you were going. I thought you were going madeline mccann, yeah I'm kind of obsessed with both um yeah, yeah I'm more obsessed with princess diana because of what?
Speaker 2:how the internet perceives megan markle and I can see a parallel and I think a lot of people can see that parallel without getting completely um in into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I think a lot of people have drawn that parallel already, so it's not like a new thing. But having known a lot about it and the research I've done into it myself, I'm, yes, I'm, I'm not sure how I, uh, how I feel about how that was conducted. That's all I'll say on the matter. But yeah, princess Diana and Madeleine McCann. Madeleine McCann, I've let in my stages of grief, I've come to the acceptance, I've let that one pass, but I can't seem to pass Diana yet. She's still in the forefront of my mind. What about you?
Speaker 1:I go down so many. Yeah, I do Partly half the time because of the podcast, yeah.
Speaker 2:I know it's this podcast that has opened my mind, actually more for the internet than anything.
Speaker 1:So the other day I was on a I'm not because I've be careful what I say now, yeah, say now yeah I was. I was doing something, I was having a discussion and the subject of cults got brought up, of course yeah, and how cults work.
Speaker 2:And we're doing a cult episode, aren't?
Speaker 1:we soon? Yeah, because of this conversation that I oh okay, sorry, sorry and because of, again, the psychology of cults and what makes up a cult, and and immediately I was like again my mind went me and had a could do an episode on cults. So what happened? I went down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 2:Of course you did researching cults can I ask you a different question, if you're struggling to struggling for this one, as someone that lived before the internet? Yes if I may say so, sorry to bring up your age again. And now we have the internet and admittedly we have said multiple times it would the world would struggle without it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But if you could choose, would you have the internet or not have the internet.
Speaker 1:That's a bloody good question. That is a really good question.
Speaker 2:Personally, because I don't know what life without the internet was. It scares me to think of the life without internet and therefore I would say with internet, because that's how I have grown up. But would you say that you know it, like like, say, say, for example um, you could go for a week without having the internet.
Speaker 1:Maybe, maybe let's, let's reduce it. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:I'd have to change everything about my life, though, if there's no internet but if you had a week without internet, surely you could just have like say. That would say like work is out of the question.
Speaker 1:You're on holiday, you're on your leave and they can't message you yeah, whilst you're off, which would be that would be nice, lovely for you I know I don't have a job that would require that much.
Speaker 2:But yeah, like could you say okay, let's, let's open it up. You could do a week, could you do a month? Yeah could you do a month without netflix? Yes what about a year? No yeah, see this, we're going to the territory, so I think that answers your question though yeah, oh yeah, I think internet with with yeah with the internet. Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe let us know for those that are of the Gen X era slash, I guess elder millennials as well You've lived a little time without the internet. Maybe ask yourself the same question Could you live without the internet for a year? I feel that was the stopping point a little bit. What would you say Like six months to a year?
Speaker 1:I'd probably say even a couple of months. A couple of months, a couple of months, wow, okay. What would you say like six months?
Speaker 2:to a year. I'd probably say even a couple of months. A couple of months. A couple of months, yeah, wow, okay, a couple of months, yeah, we hope you've enjoyed this episode today on the internet, which we cannot do. Without that, we cannot do this podcast without the internet.
Speaker 1:Exactly how ironic.
Speaker 2:Thank you for using the internet to view or listen to our content. We absolutely love you guys, as always, and yeah, as always, and yeah, join us next time, for probably an episode on cults, if I'm not mistaken.
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