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Swashbucklers, Treasure Maps, and the Golden Age of Piracy
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Hoist the Jolly Roger and prepare for adventure as we navigate the true tales of history's most notorious pirates! Beyond the "Arr!" and eye patches lies a fascinating world where outlaws created their own democratic societies on the high seas.
When thousands of naval officers found themselves unemployed after the War of Spanish Succession, many turned to piracy, creating floating republics with elected captains and shared spoils. We explore the real figures behind the legends - from Blackbeard, who struck terror with burning fuses in his beard, to the fearless female pirates Anne Bonny and Mary Read who disguised themselves as men to join pirate crews.
The stories are more extraordinary than fiction: the Welsh pirate Black Bart captured over 400 ships in just two years; William Kidd had the hangman's rope snap three times during his execution (traditionally warranting freedom, but he was too drunk to escape); and Nassau in the Bahamas functioned as a self-governing "pirate republic" until 1718.
We also explore how pirate culture shaped our modern world - from literature like Treasure Island (which gave us treasure maps with "X marks the spot") to the very term "piracy" for illegal downloading. These maritime rebels weren't just thieves and murderers - they were pioneers who created democratic communities long before such ideas became mainstream.
Whether you're a history buff, pop culture fan, or simply curious about the real stories behind Pirates of the Caribbean, this episode reveals the complex truth about these freedom-seeking swashbucklers who challenged authority and created their own rules on the high seas.
Listen now to discover why people remain captivated by pirates nearly 300 years after their golden age came to an end. Follow us on social media and share with someone who'd love it!
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter. Today we are going to talk about pirates. Yarrg me harities, yarrg me, harities. How many piratey things are we going to say during this episode?
Speaker 1:Arrg, arrg, arrg me parrot Walk the plank, walk the plank me parrot.
Speaker 2:Arrg.
Speaker 1:Arrg. And what have you got on your head, Hannah?
Speaker 2:A pirate bandana, I thought it was fitting.
Speaker 1:It is very fitting.
Speaker 2:I think it makes me more piratey it does.
Speaker 1:You actually suit a bandana.
Speaker 2:Do I actually? Yeah, I think I would suit dreads as well, but that's a bit culturally inappropriate now, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Is it? Oh okay, but yeah, I do like the bandana on you thank you yes, I do like it.
Speaker 2:I'm worried that we're now looking like oh, what's the other father daughter podcast with? Oh? Talisa Smalley, smalley, yeah, yeah do I look like Talisa now? I mean, we've got 10 years apart yeah, yeah. I've got crow's feet and she hasn't, because she's still young and beautiful, and I have crow's feet because I'm approaching 30 um anyway, and I'm 50, well, I will be when this comes out you'll be well and truly 50 when this episode comes.
Speaker 1:50 in like three days. That's crazy. I know from recording day, I know, and you know. What do you know? I know, I know yesterday we went to the beach, we, we did, and the reason why we did that is because I'm not going to be able to celebrate my 50th.
Speaker 2:No, sad times.
Speaker 1:I know I've got a horrendous week at work this week. Like the worst. I'm going to be going in at 7 o'clock every morning and I'll be finishing around about 9, 10 o'clock at night for the whole week. It's my busiest week of the year yeah it's fun fun. It's a fun week but it's absolutely exhausting, so my birthday is not really going to be well celebrated. Do you have this thing at work as well, where whoever's birthday it is has to bring in the cakes? Is that a thing?
Speaker 2:I mean no, because I work remotely, so I'd only be bringing cake to myself. But yeah, I guess if it was your birthday at work you could bring in something. But it doesn't make sense to me, because surely people should bring you the cake.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly, so, yeah, yeah. So I'll be bringing, I'll get some little cupcakes. So I've got a massive team this week, so I'll just buy a load of little cupcakes. Yeah, oh, one other thing as well, right, just completely randomly. Uh why this popped into my head? Tiktok, right? Yeah, have you heard of a guy called chit?
Speaker 2:no chit chit chit. Why do you keep saying it?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, do it, lady, no no honestly, it is hilarious okay it is. You've got to get on the chip on the chip drain. It's brilliant, it's absolutely hilarious as in like chit chat it's an actor called jay right right and he's created this character called chit right and it's chit chit.
Speaker 1:It's very parks and rec the way it's filmed and the humor is very like that. It's very Parks and Rec the way it's filmed, oh okay, okay, and the humour is very like that. It's, it's. It's like Parks and Rec meets the Office oh, okay, okay. Well, they're very, very similar yeah, and they're very short comedy shows and people are saying it needs to be, they need to do a full show, but I think that might ruin it.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:Because the fact that they're just short is what makes it funny, got it? But anyway, you've got to get on the chit-chatting, okay.
Speaker 2:You know, when we celebrated your? We did celebrate your 50th birthday yesterday on the beach. I was obviously the surprise, so I was hiding behind cars, the tractor.
Speaker 1:You were hiding behind Aunty Sally as well.
Speaker 2:Aunty Sally behind the board. Yeah, the tractor you're hiding behind auntie sally as well.
Speaker 2:Auntie sally, behind the board, yeah, and I was thinking in my head because I looked so freaking creepy, because I was like this and I was kept hiding and then going like this. I looked proper creepy. But all I had in my head playing was don't be suspicious, don't be suspicious, don't be suspicious in parks and rec. And I was gonna say it there and then but I thought most of these people probably haven't seen Parks and Rec so it'd just be like a really shit story. But I knew you would get it. I love that bit. So I was thinking don't be suspicious when they're at their own funeral.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you know that was improvised? Was it that was actually improvised? Yeah, it's amazing. No, be suspicious. No, be suspicious.
Speaker 2:So in character for them as well, yeah it was absolutely brilliant, I think a lot of Parks and Rec was not scripted like a lot of Andy's lines.
Speaker 1:Oh, there were. I mean you've got the comeback story.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm not surprised they didn't put that in the show, because that is absolutely.
Speaker 2:Well, she had come on her back.
Speaker 1:Yeah Sea Biscuit. Yeah, kim Kardashian, I don't know. Well, she biscuit. Yeah, kim kardashian. I don't know well she had come on her back in the video, didn't she? They all just lose it.
Speaker 2:They all just lose it I love the one where he, like, chucks the suitcase and destroys the light switch. Yeah, and I can't remember his name, is it rob low? Yeah he just goes. That was fucking hilarious. You shattered it. I don't know how many times I've watched that clip.
Speaker 1:I know. This is something the props can't fix and he just like oh, it's a long name, he just jumps over the desk in the air. It was brilliant. So what were we talking about? Pirates, arr, arr, my hearties, not very Parks and Rec related. No, not very Parks and Rec related. No, not very Parks and Rec related. But kind of you could argue that you know yesterday on the beach, don't be so vicious.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, beach, beach, beach Beach beach yeah, pirates yeah. School to the beach. Beach, yeah, nicky Minjach.
Speaker 1:Did you learn about pirates when you were at school or?
Speaker 2:anything. My only exposure to pirates is pirates of the caribbean. Really, yeah, I don't think I learned about pirates.
Speaker 1:I can't remember there ever being like a lesson on pirates I just um, yeah, basically, johnny depp is all of my knowledge of pirates. Jack sparrow, yeah yeah, black pearl when I was a kid we were well into pirates yeah, again, party theme or themed areas of a roller coaster park.
Speaker 2:But that is my only real exposure to pirates really yeah like every there's, there's at least one pirate ride at every oh, the pirate ship the pipe. There's either a pirate ship or you've got battle galleons at alton towers which is like the shooty, shooty blasted water thing and you get absolutely drenched. Yeah, that's, that's my only okay, yeah, oh, my only exposure really well, do you? Oh my only exposure really Well.
Speaker 1:Do you know when they were around?
Speaker 2:No, they weren't, so they were around.
Speaker 1:You tell me in the 1600s and early 1700s.
Speaker 2:And they.
Speaker 1:And they were basically Pirates. Yeah, they were basically. They were robbers, outlaws. They were outlaws and they would rob the Spanish galleons and the British galleons and they, you know, there's loads of legends.
Speaker 2:They were kind of their own people, I guess, weren't they Like in their own sense, like they were very much against the society?
Speaker 1:I guess Well, yeah, I mean they, so they captured Elizabeth and Will Turner. You know when we were talking about the Vikings and when Leif discovered America. Now, obviously, whenumbus then discovered america yeah yeah, they then started trading routes between um the americas and europe.
Speaker 1:So there was a lot of ships were carrying a lot of things and lots of goods to and from the first supply chain procurement, essentially yeah yeah, essentially, yeah, uh, and you know, you had a lot of a lot and thinking about how far away they were from the homeland, such as spain or england, and the dutch as well, and you had a lot of what's what's the word, shall we say there was. There was a bit of a war going on as well between the dutch, the spanish and the english, uh, about control of the area the spanish I can't say the armada yeah, oh no, not that one.
Speaker 1:A spanish armada, yeah yeah, and so what then happened is you did have a lot of people who kind of went rogue and then they would, they, you know, because a lot of pirates were actually naval officers who then turned rogue on on all sides and we're like do you know what? Sod fighting for england or let's fight for ourselves. Let's just start robbing people and they, and that's essentially what they started doing, and that's going to be ripe yeah, you love it and see yeah they need limes and lemons.
Speaker 1:Do you know? That's why they a lot of people call us limeys, really, yeah, that's why the english are called limeys, because of the. We used to have limes and lemons to battle scurvy on the boats back then. Oh right, no no. Have you ever heard the term?
Speaker 2:limeys. Would it be like a class as a racial term for us then?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Essentially it's a racial slur against the English called limeys. Oh.
Speaker 2:I don't really mind it.
Speaker 1:That's all right.
Speaker 2:If I was called a limey, I wouldn't really bother me, wouldn't bother me.
Speaker 1:Anyway, anyway, yeah. So basically, in the uh, the war, the hispanic succession saw england, france oh, france were involved as well. Spain and the dutch republic clash. Uh, when peace finally came, tens of thousands of sailors were discharged, jobless, broke and desperate basically western europe western europe. Yeah, so then they basically then created their own little cruise and went on the rob nice and their places, especially the bahamas, was very piratey, which is like pirates of the caribbean. You know, that's where a lot of them were tortuga, nassau, places like that where they kind of really, kind of really built up, so a couple of key events really happened.
Speaker 2:Whoa, that's good Key events.
Speaker 1:In 1671, there was a guy called Henry Morgan. He was Welsh. Henry was Welsh. He attacked Panama City in a raid. At the time they were called buccaneers.
Speaker 2:Ah, yes, yes.
Speaker 1:They crossed jungles, looted the cities and burned it. Morgan returned to England expecting trial. Instead, he was knighted and made governor of Jamaica.
Speaker 2:One of the American football teams is the buccaneers.
Speaker 1:Yes, I now can't remember which one, but yeah, they must have some ties to pirating.
Speaker 2:And in 1710, Nassau became a pirate republic oh my goodness, I've just had like a full circle moment wow I now understand why it's called piracy why, it's never occurred to me that when you steal, like films or illegally download things, it is only clicked. That's where the word comes from. It's piracy. It's pirating, but digitally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, digital pirating.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, I feel so dumb. That has never occurred to me. That's why it's called that. Oh God, I'm the dumbest human.
Speaker 1:No, you're not, no, you're not.
Speaker 2:Piracy.
Speaker 1:Of course it's called that there you go, so bless your heart in 1710, the pirate republic of Nassau was created and they had their own democracy. The crews elected captains and they shared things out equally sometimes. Sometimes they fought over it stabby, stabby, choppy, choppy stabby, stabby.
Speaker 2:Where's the rum gone?
Speaker 1:they had no kings or masters. Their pirate code was what they lived by uh, uh.
Speaker 2:Do we have an accord? What's the parlay, parlay?
Speaker 1:parlay. Where's the rum gone? Parlay, uh. Then you had key figures um such as charles vane, blackbeard, jack uh and bonnie and mary reed were famous, and later on in the episode we're gonna come on to some of these pirate legends and what they actually did um jack sparrow. Yes, now in 1718, a guy called woods rogers. They arrived with royal backing to crush the piracy and what he said was you can have pardons or you can have the noose.
Speaker 1:Stop your pirating right ultimatum come back or you can have the noose, and quite a few were hanged really yeah, quite a few of them were hanged, other than, of course, jack sparrow. What other pirates do you know of, although jack sparrow?
Speaker 2:is a complete fiction. Black beard, red beard um, I feel like there's a lot of bids black beard was a troop, was a real pirate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know about red beard who was, what was um?
Speaker 2:what was his name in parts of the caribbean? Who's like the kind of the main?
Speaker 1:Orlando Bloom's character.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no. The, the actual, the other pirate.
Speaker 1:Barbosa Barbosa yeah.
Speaker 2:Barbosa wasn't it. He wasn't called Blackbeard.
Speaker 1:No, Blackbeard was in was he in it? He was in one of the.
Speaker 2:Pirates films, maybe the later ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Blackbeard was a real person. Davy Jones, davy Jones' locker is the bottom of the ocean, isn't it you throw down to Davy Jones' locker? Edward Teach was his real name and he was born in Bristol, round about, they think, 1680. They think he served briefly in the Royal Navy before becoming then a pirate during the war of Spanish succession. So he was one of the ones who's like I've had enough of this, I'm gonna go get myself a crew and start robbing, right? Yeah, uh, around 16, 17, 16, sorry, he, blackbeard, captured the french slave ship and refitted her. Uh, the french slave ship was called le concorde, refitted her as the terrifying queen anne's revenge oh, I've heard of that yeah, so he took, he stole a ship and basically right it out and let's put his own personal spin on it
Speaker 2:yeah it's like getting a your bedroom.
Speaker 1:Yes, all sorted, yeah he actually his fleet included numbers of boats, so it wasn't just one boat, he had quite a lot of boats. He had about 300 men working for him that's a society it is. So he's quite a quite a force to be reckoned with was old Teechie, yeah have you heard the stories of him burning his beard? No so what he would do? He would put low burn, slow burning fuses in his beard so they would burn as he was pirating to you know. Basically scare his why is that?
Speaker 2:why he was called black beard? Because of the black suit. Yeah, clever, clever he was. He was ruthless yet charismatic, apparently, and often he would for trauma was he, he was yeah and quite often what's his number and he would turn for trauma was he was yeah, and and quite often number sorry.
Speaker 1:Quite often he would. He would take ships without actually killing anybody or because he would just turn up and go.
Speaker 2:You know who I am yeah, and they were just like yeah, but yeah, I don't want to fight it's like in the austin powers thing with, uh, michael cain right when the when the henchman comes running towards him, yeah and he says do you know who I am?
Speaker 1:and he says him yeah. And he says do you know who I am? And he says yeah. He nods and he says do you know how many anonymous henchmen I've killed in my time? Why don't you just fall down? And he does Same sort of thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he blockaded Charleston, south Carolina, in 1717 for a week and held them to account and basically stole all their stuff weak, and held them to account and basically stole all their stuff. Lovely, yeah, and he finally died. Uh, when did he died? Uh, five gunshot wounds. Oh, took five to take him down took five gunshot wounds and more than 20 cut wounds before he died in a battle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, he was a hard bloke he was.
Speaker 1:He was only about 17, 18, I think it was that he died, damn, and his head was hung from a bow you know a bow as a warning to other pirates.
Speaker 2:Oh, the bow of a ship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basically said, this is what happens to you if you don't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've got black beard now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Gotcha Makes sense.
Speaker 1:Ever heard of a lady called Anne Bonny?
Speaker 2:I feel like I have, but only in passing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she is a very famous lady. She's a lady pirate.
Speaker 2:Very cool.
Speaker 1:And she was born in Ireland. It's Irish.
Speaker 2:I see, I see, I see.
Speaker 1:Yes, and again she moved to South Carolina. She kind of got a little bit fed up and she fell in love with a, with a pirate by the name of jack rackham is he any any bearing on jack sparrow?
Speaker 2:I think probably.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah could be, could be, and she fell for him. But when he offered her freedom, offered her freedom on board his ship, she was like yep, okay, I don't want to be, I don't want to be, you know, married't want to be, you know, married, and all of that. I'm going to come and join Jack on your boat. Her own woman, her own woman, and she actually disguised herself as a man.
Speaker 2:I thought she would have to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she disguised herself as a man, she dressed in men's clothes and then, when she fought her first battle, she was like, and everyone was like what? Ah, you're a lady, you're a lady, and she was quite a force to be reckoned with yes, she was indeed feisty, quick-witted and fearless that is how I'd love to be described on my tombstone yeah, she was. She was a bit of a force to be reckoned with, was, uh, was and bonnie. Now there was another lady pirate by the name of Mary Read.
Speaker 2:Mary.
Speaker 1:Read, mary Read, and she also disguised herself as a man. Of course she did this is so Mulan indeed and she became Mark Read okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she actually changed one letter.
Speaker 1:That's pretty good she did. Yeah, and do you know which boat she ended up on?
Speaker 2:oh, she didn't end up on Jack's, did she?
Speaker 1:She ended up on Jack's boat, as if so her, and this is why I didn't finish the. Anne Bonny story before I went on to Mary Read. She joined Anne Bonny on Jack Rackham's boat and the two of them fought together. Do you think they?
Speaker 2:were like besties.
Speaker 1:I think they probably were besties.
Speaker 2:Or a couple.
Speaker 1:No, it's because besties?
Speaker 2:I think they probably were besties, or a couple. Oh, she fell for Jack she was.
Speaker 1:Anne was for Jack, but her and Anne Bonnie both died in prison in 1721. And apparently she was pregnant when she was in prison as well. But Anne and Mary were caught together, oh. And yeah both of them ended up in prison. There was a guy called Black Bart Bartholomew Roberts.
Speaker 2:Ah, Bartholomew.
Speaker 1:Also Welsh.
Speaker 2:Not Welsh Pirates.
Speaker 1:Welsh and Irish, nice. Welsh and Irish. He was born in 1672, merchant seaman In June 1719, when his boat so he was overtaken by pirates. He was then forced aboard to become one of the crew.
Speaker 2:Lovely.
Speaker 1:Eventually succeeded in becoming captain of that boat, nice, and ended up being a pirate lovely now he is actually. They think that he is the most prolific pirate that was ever lived prolific, so yeah, so more so than blackbeard more so than blackbeard dude. They think he captured over 400 ships in two years, that's a lot of ships.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of ships. It's a lot of ships, that's a lot of ships.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of ships. It is indeed. He had a strict code. He shared all the spoils out fairly.
Speaker 2:Good for him Across the boat. Sounds like a quality chap so far.
Speaker 1:And he was quite similar to Blackbeard, quite charismatic as well. Cool, yes, but it's with these charming pirates, yeah, elegant, theatrical wore, luxurious jackets.
Speaker 2:What a time to be alive.
Speaker 1:And he orchestrated attacks with naval precision because, of course, he was a naval officer, so he knew what he was doing. Of course, of course, he knew what he was doing. What a legend. Yep, he had musicians on board the boat.
Speaker 2:Oh, he likes music too. He liked music, yeah. You're just selling this man to me.
Speaker 1:I. You're just selling this man to me. I know I feel like you're setting us up. He's quite a nice guy. I'm married, you know. Yeah, and then in 1722 he died. Damn, he did. What a shame. Yeah, he was engaged in a clash with the hms swallow near cape lopez right musket shot to the chest, he buggered overboard, drowned, died gunshot oh, yeah, damn yes, they think that his death marked the end of the golden age of the pirates.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's a badass legend, legacy, sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's not as famous as Blackbeard. Yeah, nuts, isn't it?
Speaker 2:I guess because Blackbeard had more resource perhaps.
Speaker 1:I think the idea of Blackbeard with the fire and the you know is a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Although I'm going to step in. Could they have been the same person?
Speaker 1:No, you know like legends? Yeah, no, definitely not Definitely not Edward Teach, definitely was Blackbeard.
Speaker 2:Definitely let's go.
Speaker 1:Then we've got the Captain William Kidd.
Speaker 2:Yes, this is the Will Turner story.
Speaker 1:This is the Will Turner story. This is the Will Turner story.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I wonder why they changed the last name from Kidd to Turner.
Speaker 1:Anyway, scottish.
Speaker 2:Hey, up the Scots, up the Scots.
Speaker 1:Again he operated as a privateer for England. Clean reputation Then basically went to mock.
Speaker 2:Went to mockery.
Speaker 1:Went to mockery.
Speaker 2:I see.
Speaker 1:And became a pirate A pirate Now. I was just reading through this.
Speaker 2:Why was he mocked?
Speaker 1:No, he ran amok.
Speaker 2:Oh, he ran amok Okay.
Speaker 1:I was just reading through this, actually, and there's missing out of here one little part of the story that I know. Oh, so yeah, he was arrested, uh, sent to england and executed at london, or executed in london, uh, in front of everybody. It's a big public spectacle, right, but what they don't actually say in here is that the rope snapped three times oh, is this the yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, it doesn't say that. So I know that's william will Kidd that happened to. But apparently, and if the rope snaps three times, you're allowed to go free because they see it as an act of God.
Speaker 2:God yeah.
Speaker 1:But he was so drunk he couldn't even stand up, so they just hung him again.
Speaker 2:I suppose if you knew you were about to die, I would probably be drinking my weight in mead or whatever was going on.
Speaker 1:So when Jack Sparrow asked where all the rum had gone, it was him. It was William Kidd. Yeah, william Kidd, okay yeah. Now there are some stories about he is the one with the most treasure. So a lot of the, because that's one of the biggest things, isn't it About pirates? Yes, it's like where's the treasure? So a lot of the, because that's one of the biggest things, isn't it about pirates?
Speaker 2:Yes, it's like where's the treasure?
Speaker 1:Where's the treasure Treasure? And William Kidd was supposed to be the one who hid the most treasure. Gee, there are other ones, like Charles Vane I don't know if you've heard of him, no Steed Bonnet Black, sam Bellamy. So there's quite a few famous ones, but the ones that I knew of, I knew of Mary Read, I knew of Anne Bonny, I knew of, obviously, blackbeard, I knew of William Kidd and Jack Rackham. So I did know of those five.
Speaker 2:Pretty sound knowledge there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's from being a kid. Yeah, exposed. Yes, but one thing that people do love about pirates isn't they is. They are a lot in popular culture. Yep, like you said, captain Jack Sparrow.
Speaker 2:Captain Jack Sparrow, pirates of the Caribbean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, assassin's Creed again yeah, pirates, that is an amazing game, black Flag is it yeah good one yeah, I mean, that's something else is quite synonymous with pirates, isn't it? It's the old Jolly Roger.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:The Jolly Roger flag, the black pearl. Yeah, the black yeah.
Speaker 2:The Jolly Roger flag is the flag of flags, flaggy flags.
Speaker 1:I think one of the reasons why I liked pirates so much as a kid is because of the story of Treasure Island, ah, with Robert Louis Stevenson, because we all read that as kids. Yeah, you know, it's a. In fact, have you? There is a series on Amazon Prime called Black Sails.
Speaker 2:Oh right, and it's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is really good and it's it's the story before Treasure Island.
Speaker 2:Ah, like a prequel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, ah, like a prequel. Yeah, it's the prequel to treasure island, because it's got long john silver in it. That's cool, uh, and also uh, flint, captain flint, who's the one who's supposed to play the treasure, but interestingly enough, in black sails is also got charles vane and bonnie mary reed, jack rackham and black.
Speaker 2:They're all in there they're all.
Speaker 1:They're all in there. They're all in there and it's. It is a brilliant, brilliant show. Absolutely loved it. It's a bit slow to begin with but it's set in. It's basically telling about it's pirate life lovely, fictional, but with real characters, real life characters in it. Yeah, treasure Island, I mean. That's where you get the whole idea of the treasure map with the X X, of the treasure map with the X X marks the spot and all of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah. We mentioned Pirates of the Caribbean Black Flag and, of course, Pirates of Penzance. Have you ever heard of that? No no it was Pirates of Penzance was a. It was a musical.
Speaker 2:Okay, who created it? Do you know? No.
Speaker 1:Gilbert and Sullivan.
Speaker 2:It's an anime like One.
Speaker 1:Piece Gilbert and Sullivan wrote Pirates of Penzance.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, one Piece that's on Netflix now isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, have you seen that? Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. It's good. Is it good? Excellent?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think Mitchell and I watched that one. Yeah, or am I getting confused with One Punch?
Speaker 1:So what do you think? Do you think if you were living back then?
Speaker 2:I sound debonair and charming. I think I would have been a pirate. I just feel like they were free. That is a very good example of free will. I'm not saying I would have been a pirate actually, because I probably would have just followed the rules of society. To be honest, let's be real honest. But, yeah, I would have loved to have been a pirate. I think I would have loved to have been a pirate.
Speaker 1:I think I would have fantasized about being on the sea and free, with fellow female pirates, apparently as well, and obviously, uh, the risk of scurvy, but yeah, but don't you think that is, like you know, to think that they all kind of I mean they were, they were a bit they're a bit naughty, they were a robin, but they kind of created their own society. Yeah, and you know from what they're saying, they had this code yeah, they seemed to have their own way of living.
Speaker 2:I guess, yeah, but on the sea as opposed to on land. I guess they utilised the fact that they could they could steal from the rich essentially steal from the rich and give to the poor you know it's very much robin hood esque, and perhaps they were a bit more ruthless, uh, than the robin hood stories. But yeah, I just I think it would have been a cool time to be alive, to be honest yeah, just sort of thinking.
Speaker 1:Like you know, you've got all those you know naval officers and sailors going and you're in this really hot part of the world like the car Caribbean and beautiful, all of that, and then they're just like do you know what Sod it?
Speaker 2:Let's do it. Let's take to the seas, yeah.
Speaker 1:England, spain, netherlands all that is miles, and miles away. This is our, you know. Let's start again.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And how are we going to do it? We need money, we need resources.
Speaker 2:So well, well, they've got it, yeah let's go and get it, yeah, yeah and, of course, drinking lots of rum, lots and lots of rum which I would be definitely down with yeah, yeah. Do you think it was good rum back then? Do you think it was nice? Do you think it'd be as nice as the rum today? I don't know. I mean, I don't think it'd be kraken no, it wouldn't be kraken standard no, but I do think so.
Speaker 1:I think they're probably Probably good rum. Probably good rum yeah. Proper Caribbean rum made with sugar cane.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nice.
Speaker 2:Sugar cane rum yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you know, can you think of any other kind of things that you would have heard of that happened on pirate ships? I'm going somewhere with this, the only have you ever heard of keelhauling?
Speaker 2:No, what's that?
Speaker 1:Oh, keelhauling, so one thing that they used to do is.
Speaker 2:Is that the turny thing in the middle?
Speaker 1:No, if someone did something naughty, they would tie them, put them in it and then drag them underneath the boat and then come up the other side. So they would get ripped to buggery from the barnacles on the bottom of the boat or they would get drowned oh, so they didn't survive oh no, they a lot of the time they didn't survive oh my god, yeah, kill haul and walking the plank or walking the plank walking the plank. They did that or not?
Speaker 2:yeah, up for debate up for debate I think, but I mean, it seems like a reasonable thing, like how else could you get rid of someone that was doing wrong on board? You just have them off the edge, wouldn't you? Yeah seems logical yeah.
Speaker 1:So what were pirates?
Speaker 2:they were thieves, killers and mutineers, but they're also pioneers of democratic rule yeah which is yeah yeah, they've just made their own society and I think, I don't know, maybe you were exposed more as a child to pirates, but the only thing that I had as a kid growing up pirate wise was was just themed parties, themed things, but we never learned about pirates. I don't remember ever learning about like like blackbeard or anything like that that was never in the classroom as such.
Speaker 2:I think I think over time, like between you learning and me learning, to me it was just oh, that's a theme we're going with for this particular party or this particular zone in a roller coaster park, like it's not, it's not something that you're taught yeah, no, I mean, we were never taught it at school, it was.
Speaker 1:It was more of you know reading treasure island and then going out looking, yeah, buying a book on pirates. I remember buying a book like I think it's the book that I had was like the most memorable pirates and of course you had like blackbeard and william kidd and bonnie and mary reed I just don't think we were even exposed to treasure island like I don't remember reading that at school or it being part of the syllabus or anything. So see, that's a shame well, it is a shame.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm pretty certain.
Speaker 1:I've read it, though so, um, I had this discussion yesterday actually with, um, your mum and a couple of our clients, and we were talking about books that we read when we were at school and when I asked them what books did you read?
Speaker 2:Of Mice and Men.
Speaker 1:Frankenstein Mary.
Speaker 2:Shelley's Frankenstein.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:When we were reading Mary Shelley, another class was reading To Kill a Mockingbird.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:What's the one with the kids and Animal Farm Not Animal Farm, not Animal.
Speaker 1:Farm, oh God, another one. You mean to kill a mockingbird, right, what's?
Speaker 2:the one with the kids and animal farm, not animal farm.
Speaker 1:Um, oh god, another one. You mean, uh, lord of the flies, lord of the flies, we read that as well yeah, um, and then when I went to a level, it was chaucer yeah world, one world war one.
Speaker 2:Poetry and literature. Yeah, whilst chaucer was difficult to read, I bet it it was old yeah. And then stuff like Skellig.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I've read Skellig, that was in the younger years, and then also, oh God, what was like the biggest thing Wuthering Heights.
Speaker 1:Mm.
Speaker 2:That was a tough read as well.
Speaker 1:Oh, I bet yeah.
Speaker 2:Wuthering Heights was a really tough read. Heathcliff. Yeah, so we read Lord of the Flies. We also did Animal Farm.
Speaker 1:I've actually read that recently as an adult.
Speaker 2:I literally read it two months ago brilliant book 1984. I've only ever seen the movie. I don't think I've read the book oh, the book is. I thought I had read the book, but I hadn't. It was the movie I saw. Maybe with you, you might have seen 1984.
Speaker 1:Is that the one with the hadn't? It was, yeah, it was. It was the movie I saw, maybe with you. Yeah, you might see 94. Is that the?
Speaker 2:one with the lot, the alarm when it goes off, and yeah, yeah, yeah, big brother's watching you yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, he's very clever. He was a bit before his time, wasn't he?
Speaker 1:well george orwell george orwell, he kind of, he kind of wrote that as a warning yeah, um which no one listened to the concern is I think some people have taken it as an instruction manual yeah you know, rather than a warning, but I mean even the opening line to 1984.
Speaker 1:Again, you always tell a book by how well the opening line is, and we're like Moby Dick's Herman Melvin is like call me Ishmael is how the line opens. 1984 is the clock struck 13, marking the beginning of hate week. Yeah, what a cracking opening line, First line yeah. I mean again from that very first line. Immediately your mind is going well, why is it striking?
Speaker 2:13 and not 12? And what the hell is hate week? Yeah, already questioning everything. It's very good.
Speaker 1:You're already, you know, wanting to know the answers to to all of that. It's, yeah, it's a brilliant book, but no, the reason why I say it? Because, um, and treasure island, we we read, as this is related to pirates. It's like yeah, we've kind of gone on a tangent, but it does. I do find it interesting what books people do read at school yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, we definitely never read Treasure Island. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think I have read it though just not I don't remember reading it at school ever. Maybe we did, it's quite.
Speaker 1:The thing is because it's a book about pirates but there's no pirate.
Speaker 2:It's suitable for children, isn't it? It's suitable for children.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's after the event. It's them going to try and find the treasure and Long John Silver's there, that's it Long John Silver. But you even, kind of you, have a bit of sympathy for him as well, even though he was supposed to have been this bloodthirsty pirate Black Sails. The series Black Sails does a very, very clever adaptation of who long who john silver is yeah you know, and he starts off as when you first see him in the in the show, you're like this guy, this guy's long john silver yeah, you know like he's.
Speaker 1:He's a bit like compared to the other pirates around. You know charles vane and jack rackham who are very, very kind of like bloodthirsty pirates. You're like he's a bloody chef. You know he's not scary at all, but then, as the series kind of goes on, you realise how manipulative and clever he actually really is. And again, I think from that they kind of maximise his charm.
Speaker 2:Right, I see how charming he is, yeah, how charming he actually is, Anyway if we end the episode there. Thank you for listening to us talk about Vikings for about half an hour there no, that was Pirates, that one oh yeah, gosh, I'm Pirates it's because we just I've revealed our once again. We record three in one day. Sorry my brain is not working.
Speaker 2:I think people know we record although we're recording four today, they don't know about that, yet thank you for listening to pirates. I'm sorry, pyros. If you like this episode, we have plenty in the bank, and only thing left to say is are you about to say, before I keep the outro, I?
Speaker 1:was just going to say, actually, just as a final thought, just as a final thought, go on. Just as a final thought. I know we do these kind of things. We've just done the one on Vikings yeah, we did. We've just done the one on Pirates, and we do speak for half an hour, 40 minutes, sometimes 50 minutes depending on the types of episodes.
Speaker 2:But I do hope that people do then go and look into these a little bit more. I mean, you don't?
Speaker 1:have to? No, you don't have to. It's not homework. No, it's not. No, we're not doing homework. But like you say about pirates, people don't really, they're not really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not really exposed to it, other than in light fiction, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's not always correct, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because we do a very brief overview.
Speaker 2:Anyway what I was about to say was cue the outro. Thanks for joining us on Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye, bye, outro Music.