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Secret Whispers: The Hidden World of Elite Societies
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Secret societies capture our imagination as they blend power, mystery and symbolism that fuel countless conspiracy theories. We examine why humans are drawn to these narratives and what they reveal about our psychology.
• The Illuminati was founded in 1776 by Adam Weishaupt to promote reason and free thought, though conspiracy theories suggest they continue to influence world events today
• Freemasons evolved from a 14th-century stonemason guild into a philosophical fraternity with prominent members including Winston Churchill and Franklin D Roosevelt
• The Knights Templar protected Christian pilgrims in the Holy Land before being disbanded in 1307, with connections to the Holy Grail and other religious mysteries
• Yale's Skull and Bones society limits membership to 15 students per year and counts numerous US Presidents among its alumni
• The Bilderberg Group and Bohemian Grove represent modern gatherings of global elites that fuel speculation about world policy decisions
• The psychology behind secret society beliefs reveals our human need for order, pattern recognition, and having someone to blame when faced with chaos
• Most conspiracy theories stem from our discomfort with randomness and lack of control in world events
• Some "secret societies" like the Priory of Sion have been confirmed as hoaxes, while others genuinely exist but may not wield the influence attributed to them
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Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter. I'm Mrs Doubtfire. Hello dears, Hello dears. Oh, it was the drink that killed him.
Speaker 1:Oh, he's hit by a Guinness truck. Was he an alcoholic? No, he's hit by a Guinness truck. Oh dear, it was run by fruiting.
Speaker 2:Oh Robin.
Speaker 1:Williams, I know bless him.
Speaker 2:We have this conversation every single time we talk about Mrs Doubtfire.
Speaker 1:I know I love Mrs Doubtfire, our four listeners. He does the bit in the cake his face. Hello news.
Speaker 2:I love it. Oh, it's brilliant. His humour is just unmatched, isn't it? There's no one like him, did you know?
Speaker 1:I don't know if I've told, if I've said this before. I might even said on the podcast, because you know who the hell knows. Yeah, getting close to 100 now but yeah, but did you know that, um, during walk and mindy, they actually had to hire a linguist to come and listen, because a lot of the time robin williams would say swear words in other languages? Oh, I've heard about this, yeah, and to try and see if they could cut it out. I mean, yeah, robin Williams is or was sorry.
Speaker 2:Yeah, was I mean funny guy.
Speaker 1:But there you go. That just goes to show that sometimes the funniest people it's all a facade. Yes, you know what outside is, which was fine for our previous episode, but you just coming out with the cuff of that which episode, but you just coming out of the cuff of that, which goes to show that what we were speaking about five minutes ago, which is a week ago, yeah, yeah yeah, um, yeah, yeah, um, but yeah, robin williams about our. Do you ever see morgan?
Speaker 2:mindy. No, I don't. I don't think it's one. I've come across, obviously him in aladdin. I think it's probably my first ever Flubber yeah that's Robin Williams, jumanji. The first one, obviously yeah um, what's he's in that thing with Elmo? Elmo, yeah, when he, when Elmo calls him Mr Robbins and he goes, mr Robbins, I'm taking that stick. Elmo and Elmo goes. I only had one line because he said the wrong name uh, I Elmo and Elmo goes. I only had one line.
Speaker 1:Because he said the wrong name. I mean, he's a brilliant comedian, brilliant actor, very troubled in his life. He's addicted to drugs, alcohol and that as well.
Speaker 2:His daughter is called Zelda Zelda, fun fact.
Speaker 1:But one of my favourite films that he was in is Good Morning Vietnam. And again, when you actually watch Good morning Vietnam, he improvised so much of that and I think when they're laughing in the film, that's genuine laughter, genuine laughter as it should be yeah, brilliant, brilliant anyway. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2:today, hannah, we're actually talking about secret societies.
Speaker 1:We're not talking about Robin Williams, unless he was part of one, I don't know we were going to do that, we were going to do an episode on comedy, weren't we in? Like the history, not the history of comedy, but what make the makeup of comedy and how it actually.
Speaker 2:And you know, we can feature, we can feature him, yeah, and we can't possibly kill him off because he's already dead, because sometimes we mention people on the podcast. We killed matthew perry. No, we didn't. We. We killed matthew perry. Matthew Perry, we did, and I'm pretty certain. We talked about One Direction and then bloody Liam decided to come off the balcony.
Speaker 1:Yeah, poor lad, come off balcony.
Speaker 2:Come off the balcony. Well, I don't know if he jumped or whether I didn't want to insinuate either way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, poor lad. So, yes, so today's episode is all about secret society. So I've done a Google. Well, I did a Google about a year ago, didn't I?
Speaker 2:You did a Google. This has been sitting in the pile to do. Yes, and then we did it.
Speaker 1:And then we did it. And then the file corrupt. This was one of those episodes that, when we recorded it last time when we had technical difficulties which actually drove us to this point.
Speaker 2:It was Actually, the secret societies meant that we could be in my lounge and I don't have to get up earlier.
Speaker 1:It was us recording this episode last time when it all went horribly wrong. That was the tipping point of nope, we're going to buy our own stuff and we are going to film it, and we're going to do it all in your house and it stuff and we are going to film it and we're going to do it all in your house, and it is because of this episode why I'm a thousand pounds um lighter yes, yes, yes, and why I no longer have any time, because I'm always now editing this freaking podcast I must admit, the editing side for me has actually gotten so much easier.
Speaker 1:You've increased my workload, yeah I know it literally takes me so to edit a podcast now um. I've said 45 minutes, 49 minute episode. It will take me about an hour and 20 minutes. Now it's so quick. It's all I basically do. It's the um. So and I've just said the word is I take it on the audio podcast. I take some of the ums and the ahs out and sort of cut those out.
Speaker 2:Because I'm terrible for it and I didn't even know, until we started podcasting, that I um and ah. That much.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think my brain is buffering.
Speaker 1:You do this weird. So I can actually see what the actual sound file looks like and it's like that, it got like that, and then there's a gap and then there's just one line and what that line is is because you're um, um, yeah, that, so I, when that happens, I will see that on the audio file. I'm so sorry. So actually talk about audio files. So I was. I was the other day. We will come on to the proper episode in a second. I promise Tangents.
Speaker 2:It's always the third one we record and we just go off piste.
Speaker 1:It's been a weird day. It's been a weird day so my friend came round and he brought his daughters over and I said do you want to see? Because I was editing? I said do you want to see? Because I was editing? I said do you want to see what sound looks like? And one daughter's about two years younger than the other one and the eldest came over and I showed her the Audacity file so she could see sound. I played it and you could see how the sound went and she was really interested. The younger daughter came over couldn't give two shits.
Speaker 2:She was, like what, even bit too young to appreciate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was like. What even is this? What are you showing me, uncle David?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like what are you showing me?
Speaker 2:So yeah, bless her Was that.
Speaker 1:Edie yeah Thought it was yeah. Edie loved it, yeah yeah. So, secret societies as I, we recorded this a while ago, so I want to see if you, what you can kind of really remember and I've got a little bit at the end about the, the psychology, and there are actually. Let's start with the psychology let's go.
Speaker 2:Let's go, let's do a little bit different, let's go backwards so it's like why?
Speaker 1:why do we kind of have this not obsession, but we do believe these secret societies exist? Do we? Some people do?
Speaker 2:You do, some people do. You are the definition of YouTube TikTok, rabbit hole man. I just like going down these rabbit holes, you just one video after another and you're like like, oh, I think I know what's going on here and I don't think you actually believe it. I just know.
Speaker 1:I don't believe it interests you in a, in a, from a psychological perspective, I was going to say from a creative perspective how creative like people can be and where the evidence comes from, and I mean, yeah, some of the, some of the, some of the creative kind of mind thing of where.
Speaker 2:Like what's his name? Charlie Day, with all the bits of string.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:It's this, and it's this, and it's this and it's this, and it's this, it's just like, it's just yeah, charlie Day, that's Sonny. It's always.
Speaker 1:Sonny in Philadelphia. If you didn't get that, if you didn't understand that reference, Is his name Charlie in the show?
Speaker 2:No, it's not. Yeah, oh Wait, is he Charlie?
Speaker 1:Day in real life. Yeah, it's Charlie Day in real life.
Speaker 2:That's his name in, yeah Right. So what's his name in? It's Charlie, it's not, is it it sure?
Speaker 1:is no, yeah, I'm sure it is, it's not Charlie. We'll have to have a look afterwards, just to make sure. I was going to say we could she's never seen.
Speaker 2:It's always sunny. I don't know. I don't know if your mom would like it's always sunny, it's not really her.
Speaker 1:No, it's not really. I think no, no, from. I believe that secret societies do remain intriguing, or they are intriguing to to a lot of people because they do blend power, mystery and symbolism together. And a lot of people what you know, people when you actually, they love to think about what is the possible. When they find out the truth it's often a letdown, but a lot of people's minds will go into complete overdrive about a society and what goes on within that society.
Speaker 1:But there are a lot of things that people believe happen in secret societies. One is they have lots of power and they have lots of influence societies. One is they have lots of power and they have lots of influence and that many of these groups and these secret societies, they contain presidents, they contain world leaders, huge businesses, ceos, that type of thing, where powerful, powerful people you know predominantly they believe them to be men and you know, and, and a lot of these, a lot of these clubs as well, like you know, they deemed them to be kind of men-only clubs. Women aren't invited and it's very gentleman. Only ladies. Yes, in doubt, exactly golf, um, although did you know that's?
Speaker 1:not true, yeah no, it's not true I thought that was true.
Speaker 2:No, it's not true my life believing that's true until literally two months ago yeah, I was like that's why golf is called golf, and Mitchell was like no way. And I was like, oh, it's actually not, but a lot of people believe it is. Yeah.
Speaker 1:They also believe that because a lot of the secret societies, if they exist, some of these which we're going to go into might not even exist. They believe that because they prohibit media coverage, they don't let journalists in, Of course that they prohibit media coverage.
Speaker 2:they don't let journalists in, of course.
Speaker 1:That just runs amok with people's conspiracies and theories, but at the same time you know if you're having a business meeting or you're having, you wouldn't want bloody media in there or journalists in there, because you you have to discuss private matters that can't go out into the world. Yeah, you know so.
Speaker 2:Although it begs the question, what, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, there's a thing where you know where you have. Sometimes you have to in certain roles you have to have media training.
Speaker 1:Because you have to, you know, because when you say things, people will pick up on the very smallest word that you will say. And there's some um images as well where I see politicians and not famous images, but I've seen them where you see politicians in certain aspects and you're like that person did not have media training because you know they'll be standing behind a billboard and they'll be stood at a certain angle. There'll be a word written behind them and it will like do you? I mean it's like if they've had media training they would have realized that's not the suit to wear, that's not the thing to wear, that's not the place to stand, because the media will twist it and they will twist it. They'll take segments, they'll twist and do you think anything?
Speaker 2:anyone will ever do that to our podcast yeah, more than likely, because you can.
Speaker 1:You can take without context. You could take a snippet put it in Twisty twisty Again. Filmmakers, you know if you take certain documentaries.
Speaker 2:I think Coolsville sucks. Yeah, it's Scooby-Doo. Remember Scooby? Yeah, scooby-doo. Yeah, that's what I was referencing. Yeah, exactly, they're just making out that I think the Coolsville sucks. No no, no. And then they just nip out that bit that says he calls it without context, it can be damaging yeah so poor fred.
Speaker 1:Yeah so prince junior yeah, you would, you would, you would prohibit. If you're having, you're a society or a meeting or something that you're going to prohibit media coverage because you're not going to be able to have those open, frank conversations. Because I mean, like, if we conversations, if we look at the interview or the meeting that happened between Trump and Zelensky.
Speaker 1:Now I'm not going to go too much into it, but the whole media would. They went off on saying it was a massive argument, which it was. It was disgusting, I mean, but that was probably the type of conversation like that that world leaders have with each other. Behind closed doors, yeah, of course, but not in front of the media. No, okay, so that again. So you couldn't have those frank conversations with someone if the media was watching? No, no, no, not at all exactly so that conversations with someone if the media was watching.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, not at all, exactly so that's probably why the media isn't invited into them, but of course, what it does is it feeds into this.
Speaker 2:oh, they're being secretive, I think we naturally think that those conversations that happen will be professional and won't have raised voices. But people are human, people are human, people are human, human, people are human. And I bet you know I, I would dread to think in history, you know, those raised conversations that have been had over the years. Yeah, you know I. Just there's no way that they keep demure. And no, the queen herself used to joke about on most media coverage. She had a very good sense of humor, exactly like you know. There's no way that she was that prim and proper all the time, because you can see her humour shining through.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Again, it's similar to it's similar sort of back on psychology, but it seems like the ego, the id, it's a similar type thing. You know, what people perceive here isn't necessarily what goes on behind closed doors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, it's the same, it's the same thing. Um, but they're also, they believe the secret societies also have um rituals such as secret handshakes, initiation ceremonies, that type of thing, and some of them probably do. You know they will have, you know they will do. But of course, the pop culture has brought a lot into uh, the as well. Things like the Da Vinci Code talks a lot about the Freemasons National Treasure, nick Cage we love Nick Cage.
Speaker 2:I remember National Treasure. I think I've watched at least two of them. There's two isn't there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, even the Rock. I mentioned the Rock. There's a bit of a conspiracy thing at the end because they're after the microfilm.
Speaker 2:Dwayne.
Speaker 1:Yes it, which tells a lot of the major incidents that happened in the US politics. I mean, there's one very final scene in Nick Cage getting in the rock. Is him pulling out the microfilm and going do you want to know who killed JFK? That's the final line in the entire film.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of pop culture, that kind of references I can't now. Now it's DB Cooper, wasn't he was referencing on? Oh god, what was it? Was it Loki? Yeah, yeah, loki, yeah it was like oh, you're DB Cooper, yeah, it's just the funniest thing. Referenced quite a lot yeah, there's a lot of references to conspiracy theories so what to conspiracy theories?
Speaker 1:So what is it? I mean? The thing is, people tend to try to piece things together. It's unnatural, it's unnatural kind of thing.
Speaker 2:We use our schemers.
Speaker 1:We do and we try to put things into a linear kind of perspective. That's kind of how not linear is the wrong word, but that's how our minds kind of work. So people do get worried and they fear what they can't see or understand. So people do get worried and they fear what they can't see or understand, which goes back to my earlier point of when you, if you did actually look behind the door and see really what was going on the curtain if you will you would probably be let down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you'd be like oh.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that it? You know, oh, you know, but in your mind you've built this weird narrative yeah yeah, this weird that makes sense kind of to you, I don't know to, to go to the absolute extreme, blood sacrifices and all this kind of thing you know, but in fact it's probably more like a tea party yeah you know it's, it's, yeah, that's where you go, but they, because it does people get paranoid about these things and it fuels.
Speaker 1:It fuels people's paranoia, um, fear of the unknown, fear of the unknown, yeah, again. Um, that's pattern recognition and cognitive dissonance is essentially what that is, and that's where the world can feel chaotic and secret societies offer an explanation. It gives us someone to blame yeah it's like when. It's like, if you think of, like the world war, if world war three was going to happen, it was the cabal that put that together was that freemason it?
Speaker 1:was, it was the illuminati. They're. They're the secret elite running the world, the deep state, all of that. You know it's that kind of. They're the ones who are. It gives it gives us a villain yes that's what it does.
Speaker 1:It gives us a villain, and sometimes it's. We always need someone to blame. Yeah, that is exactly it, and but people do prefer in believing that than actually it's just random. Yeah, but what's actually more scary? Because they're both as scary as each other when you think about it is there really a secret elite running the world and know what they're doing and putting things into a specific order to create something like a new world order? Or is it just random and no one knows what they're doing, what?
Speaker 2:both both are equally terrifying yeah, both are equally terrifying, but it's more for me. Every country seems to be in debt to each other, but there's got to be one. We've said this, this before yeah. Yeah, I know, but I just don't understand this. I don't understand the world economy. We're all in debt to someone. Who the hell are we in debt to?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but again, this is where the conspiracy comes in it's the Rothschilds the banks.
Speaker 2:See, that's what I'm more likely to believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we owe the, you know the Roth conspiracy. There's a huge conspiracy about that. I'm gonna be saying some things today on this podcast, and feel free to get on tiktok, feel free to get on youtube, feel free to go down the same rabbit holes I've gone down because I've, yes, looking into this.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure we should be actively encouraging this, but yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, if you've got a few hours on your time, have a little look and you will see how ridiculous some of this actually is. But people as well yeah, people have this distinct distrust of authority generally across the board. I see it at work as well. All the time, you know, people seem to think that some yeah, these, when power is a few people have got it. Other people become suspicious of that person yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:And so you know they seem to think, oh, they're doing that because of this, yeah, and it goes down almost like a dark route, so to speak. Conspiracy theories about secret societies as well, often emerge when governments or corporations act secretively. So you know, if they do something and they're not telling people, people fill those gaps in with whatever they think is going on, and this is what the real kind of distrust and distrust of authority comes into and then immediately believe they're part of an elite organisation. They're not telling us this, but they're actually really doing this behind closed doors. But a lot of the time when they might not tell us stuff because it might panic people even more, yeah, if they knew the actual truth and they're protect, they're genuinely protecting people.
Speaker 2:I feel like a lot of the time they do probably just don't want to cause mass panic yeah but in turn people then make their own mass panic anyway exactly, I always think well, you know, you can't win, you can't, you can't win. You might as well just tell them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, yeah, and then you'd have mass riots and panic in the street.
Speaker 2:But then I guess, by not telling them it's not your responsibility, because you weren't the one that told them. They've brought it upon themselves to be. Maybe humans just crave chaos.
Speaker 1:That's it, like crave that?
Speaker 1:Well, I don't think we crave chaos, we crave yeah, you know, and you know, and, and without that, as all things should be, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, yeah, uh, but then of course I am inevitable, but then of course, then of course, you've got the whole with secret societies, you've got the fact that the symbolism and the hidden messages, such as, like the all-seeing eye with the illuminati, and I know, a lot of the time in buildings they say, oh, there's an owl's head in there, but are you just? Yeah, well, okay, kind of looks like an owl, but are you sure?
Speaker 2:I can't remember what the terminology is, but there is. There is a term for when you see, uh images and images human, yeah, human qualities and stuff it's yeah um it's definitely something that can be done. Should we go through some of them?
Speaker 1:yeah, let's, let's, let's go through them, so let's go let's go.
Speaker 2:Have you got 10?
Speaker 1:I've got 10. So we'll kind of whip through Whippy. But the first one is the Illuminati. Have you ever heard of the Illuminati?
Speaker 2:I have, yes, and not just because we've already done this episode already and didn't record it, but it is probably the most famous secret society that I know of.
Speaker 1:It is a real. It was a real secret society. It did is a real. It was a real, uh, secret society. It did actually exist. Whether it exists now or not is up for debate. I'm not going to go into that debate, but it's up for debate. But the original illuminati was founded in 1776 in bavaria by a guy called may. Yeah, first of may by a guy called adam wait 1776 yeah, so it's, I can't do maths nearly 400, nearly 400 years old yeah to the day yeah.
Speaker 1:Wow, we planned that well. Was it 400 years? I'm not very good at maths. So a guy called Adam who was a professor of canon law. He was inspired by enlightenment and he sought to challenge religious and political control. So it was to challenge the norm, which is what he tried to do. His goal at the time was to overthrow oppressive regimes and to promote reason and free thought. So he was doing it for the kind of like Doing it for the good, For his. The greater good, the greater good. Did he have a big bushy beard?
Speaker 2:No, but did he like a bit of girl on girl?
Speaker 1:He liked a bit of girl on girl. Did I send you that drum and bass thing, by the way?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I did. Yeah, big bushy beard, hot fuzz, just the once one actually Carry on. Was Leslie Tiller murdered?
Speaker 2:Of course she was. That's a conspiracy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there you go. So it was actually banned less than nine years later his society by the government, by the Bavarian government, and they believed at the time that, although it was banned, the Illuminati, the group, then went underground and joined the Freemasons and became an offshoot of the Freemasons. So yeah, they've been linked to the French Revolution, world banking systems and, of course, the modern global elites. Their rituals and symbols consist of the all-seeing eye pyramid as well, and they do supposedly have secret initiations which nobody knows what they are. I don't think people have really speculated, but I mentioned the term blood sacrifice earlier.
Speaker 2:I believe that has been mentioned at the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can use our imagination so key figures was Adam Weishaupt, who was the founder, and no one else really knows who was in the election. This is how secretive they are, but they have alleged members such as the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers and other world leaders.
Speaker 2:It's crazy to me. I mean, I don't know the world leaders at the time of 1776. But it's crazy to me that there would be several world leaders involved.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean you could argue. I mean like the G20, the G7, the G8. You know, it says it's all world leaders coming together and they're behind closed doors. What are they talking about? What are they cooking up behind those closed doors?
Speaker 2:Maybe they're just a group of lads, just you know, sharing their thoughts. Maybe they're just having a tea party. Maybe they're just a mental health group and they're just having a, you know.
Speaker 1:So what's going on in china? Oh mate, yeah, you know, jesus christ, you will go. Can you just? Imagine the economy's crashing yeah, yeah, did you see that report on the news last night?
Speaker 2:what the bloody oh no, that wasn't in my time zone. Yeah, and then the greek man comes off the the financial times at the moment and then we're losing plates left, right and center.
Speaker 1:We're running out of pottery. You know, I know it, I know it's part of our culture. But jesus christ, just stop smashing the plates. You're crashing the economy we now owe. Oh, boris mate, I'm sorry, we'll pay you that tenner back. But you know like, oh, we've got, we've got a festival coming up. You know, can anyone, anyone got a fiver they could lend us for this festival, for these plates?
Speaker 2:And you've got the Irish and they're going oh, we're having a great, the great potato famine. And then they're sitting there like, oh, we just can't grow our potatoes. And then I don.
Speaker 1:Ireland, Ireland, He'd just say how you going on? Well, it's National Ginger Day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So we're all right.
Speaker 2:It just makes me so funny like mate, waiting to hear what my country's doing right now.
Speaker 1:Jean-Luc, how you getting on? Move on.
Speaker 2:Move on, move on. Switzerland. How are you? I'm on the fence, Switzerland.
Speaker 1:Yeah, jesus Christ, so yeah. So that's probably what really goes on behind these closed doors May, may, may. So they the next one. Let's move on to what I've already mentioned the Freemasons these are fascinating so the Freemasons? So they were a stonemason guild in the 14th century and they've kind of evolved into a philosophical fraternity promoting morality, brotherhood and self-improvement. Now the freemasons do exist brotherhood of man yeah, the freemasons do exist.
Speaker 1:I do not actually do know people who are in freemasons, and so it's not that it's not really a secret society as such.
Speaker 2:Uniquely, I honestly had a message in a work group chat. They were talking about loads of different things. They always bring up random stuff and someone did say oh, my granddad was a Freemason and when he died, some people come over, asked for a briefcase that his grandmother knew exactly what they were after, gave him the briefcase off, they went that was it. So my real grandad, was he a Freemason?
Speaker 1:he was a Freemason. What I have, his ring that's cool. I have his Freemason's ring. That's very cool yeah has it got the?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I didn't know that I only recently found that out last year.
Speaker 2:That's so cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Unfortunately I never met my real granddad.
Speaker 2:US granddad, my US granddad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I never met him, never met him.
Speaker 2:That's so cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but his family? Was he English originally then?
Speaker 2:No, he was American. Oh, he was always.
Speaker 1:American. He was American. Yeah, he came over because a lot of American soldiers come over married my grandmother um won't go into it, but yes, yeah it was all yeah, um, but yeah cool that you have the ring yeah, but I have a free masons ring at home. That's very cool. Uh, so it. Early prominent american leaders were free masons.
Speaker 1:They're actually before the illuminati as well 1717 well, this is why they think the illuminatiati then became part of the Freemasons. Became makes sense. So there is this belief that they know a lot about history, religion, power structures, the world. The rituals and symbols consist of a square and a compass. They've got supposedly their secret handshakes and passwords and they're supposed to have these secretive initiation ceremonies as well. Now, I do believe they do have initiation ceremonies, but I think it's lame.
Speaker 2:They probably just I don't know drink the blood of the tea. The tea, yeah, the tea, it's probably peppermint and elderflower or mushroom.
Speaker 1:Well, depending on the type of mushrooms you get, that could go one way or the other. Yeah, it could be closed. I'm thinking it's recreational mushrooms, oh, not closed cup or chestnut no, no, no no I'm thinking like they the other kind of what they are, but trippy mushrooms. Uh, so yeah, key figures such as albert pike, winston churchill, franklin d roosevelt, but they are they, they do exist. They do exist and I don't think I mean they are a, but are they overly secret, not?
Speaker 2:so much Not that we know people in it.
Speaker 1:No, no, I mean, but what they talk about when they go, it's more like it's just like an old boys club.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just a group of lads, isn't it? Yeah, having a good time?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:The third one, I do quite a bit of research on these guys.
Speaker 1:And these guys are called the knights templar. Yes, uh, they're very old. They were established in 1119 and they were designed to protect christian pilgrims in the holy land oh, not tintagel no, they became very well, I'm thinking of knight to the round table, you're thinking of gartha. Yeah, uh, they became very wealthy because, basically, they pillaged a lot over in the holy land. Uh, when we talk the Holy Land, we're talking the Middle.
Speaker 2:East? Did they steal from the rich to give to the poor?
Speaker 1:No, they stole and plundered and kept it for themselves.
Speaker 2:Old-fashioned stealing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were disbanded in 1307 by King Philip IV of France because they were accused of heresy. Heresy yes, heresy yes of heresy, heresy, yes, heresy, yes, and that incident is and we've done this on a conspiracy theory episode. It was that which was the first recorded conspiracy theory. Oh yeah, I remember I remember uh, they controlled a vast financial network across europe and one of the things they're tied to is the holy grail. The knights templar believed to have found the holy grail. This is this is all.
Speaker 1:This is very you know that they're very kind of mythical um, their rituals and symbols consist of a red cross and a white mantle, and they have alleged that they've got lots of religious rights. They know lots about hidden ancient knowledge. Oh, and yeah, the conspiracies are. Did they survive and did they become the Freemasons? Freemasons are getting mentioned a lot, you know. Did they then become part of the Freemasons? Have you heard of the Oak Island treasure mystery? Yeah, some of the treasure that's believed to be on oak island is that to be of the knights templar as well. Um, and they've got a very close connection to the vatican as well. And secrets, oh, pope died recently yes, he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, on easter yeah, I know that's a conspiracy. That well, that's a pope diet. How did he to be? Honest, I mean if you're gonna die on any day okay, so you you know my feelings on religion I, oh no, I should not start.
Speaker 1:I did. I do hope I'm about to say is not going to offend anybody in any way, shape or form. So I'm just going to say what I'm about to say has gotten a little bit of a trigger to religious things. But don't you think that was quite convenient? I mean, how cliche could you get?
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, If you're going to die on any day, easter's the one isn't it? Yeah, yeah, although that is the resurrection of Jesus. So you shouldn't be dying on that day. You should be dying before. One for one, one for one, one for one.
Speaker 1:tag me in, tag me out yeah, think about that there you go zombie jesus, zombie jesus. Um, so, yeah, so it was a very cliche thing to do, don't you think?
Speaker 2:it was. How dare he I mean although?
Speaker 1:in fact you've got to give him kind of give him props for that, as well, yeah, I mean we can't, he's dead, but yeah yeah, but I mean that's props to the pope, to be fair, I mean, I am am anti, all religions, by the way, not just. Anyway, I did like him.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you as a.
Speaker 1:Pope, I did like what he stood for as a person. He was very progressive within the Catholic Church. Good for him, and I did like him. I had a lot of respect for him as a Pope. I thought he was very, very good and I was actually quite sad when he died.
Speaker 2:Not overly sad.
Speaker 1:They and I was actually quite sad when he died.
Speaker 2:Not overly sad, they're always quite old, aren't they? They don't get young'uns in do they.
Speaker 1:It was kind of like, oh, that's actually really sad. A lot of people are like, oh, fair enough. But I was like, oh, that's a shame. I genuinely thought that is a shame because he was a nice guy.
Speaker 2:Well, let's hope his replacement's just as good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, Leo is apparently supposed to be quite progressive as well.
Speaker 2:We like a progressive one yeah.
Speaker 1:Although do you know about the Prophecy of St Malachai? Do you know about that one? See, that's again Catholic up-bugging.
Speaker 1:So, st Malachai, Remind the people, please yeah yeah, st Malachai was a prophet in the early 1100s and he supposedly had a vision while he was going from. He was an Irish archbishop and he was going from Ireland to the Middle East to visit the Holy Land and during his journey he had a vision. Supposedly he had a vision from God and within that vision he was told the names of all of the future popes oh, okay and he wrote them down right. This document was lost. It was found 200 years later.
Speaker 2:Okay, and it's in the vatican right right and is that how they choose the pope?
Speaker 1:no, they choose the pope via a conclave and yeah, they all have to vote, but it has to be unanimous vote, and then the white smoke comes out. Yes, so the prophecy of saint malachi uh, gave, I think it was 115 popes, right? No, no, I think more, more than that. But francis was the last one. Oh, so so, and the prophecy goes and some people think it's going to be the apocalypse. Other people seem to think it's just going to be the fall of the Catholic Church. But there are supposed to be no more popes after Olmey is just gone, and even in the ballast I think, the pictures of all the popes there wasn't any more plaques left after Francis. So there's this whole thing, but of course Leo's now been thrown out the window. But the wording within the prophecy that St Malachi wrote was quite vague.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:It was quite vague and you could argue that because all of the popes had this information, they played into it Perhaps. Yeah, so one of them was supposed to be the they caught. It was supposed to be the Pope of Olives, I think was the description was in there, and that Pope did actually grow olive trees. Oh right, but you could, he knew that so yeah, maybe, yeah. Sorry, I digressed into a little bit of a thing there it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1:Shall we move on? Skull and Bones yes, lots of films about Skull and Bones. It's a Yale secret society If you've watched Gilmore Girls, which Charlotte now has, by the way yes, Absolutely, charlotte.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, apparently you're angry at me, but I don't care, because Gilmore Girls is the best thing that's ever entered your life.
Speaker 1:I'm sure she hasn't reached Logan yet, by the way.
Speaker 2:Oh, she hasn't reached logan, okay. Well, when you get to logan he's in a secret society at yale. They don't call it skull and crossbones, they call it the life and death brigade. Um, so all I know from it is probably gilmore girls, but obviously it's in common pop culture like gilmore girls um, there's a film called um the bone, the skull and bones as well. Just omnia paratus yes, what.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:I'm talking about Gilmore Girls.
Speaker 1:Oh right, okay, sorry. They say Omnia Paratus.
Speaker 2:Omnia.
Speaker 1:Paratus Right, okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:Charlotte will know what I'm on about when she gets there. When she gets there.
Speaker 1:So it was founded in 1832, yale University. It was created, allegedly created, to form a network Of powerful elite individuals.
Speaker 2:Like Logan Huntsberger Like.
Speaker 1:Logan Huntsberger. Rogan Huntsberger was your D&D character, limited to 15 members per year, apparently, and the members are called Bonesmen and many of them have actually become US presidents and they have a secret headwater called the Tomb. Now, allegedly their initiation involves lying in a coffin and confessing secrets. So you could argue, if someone does that and confess the secrets, there's blackmail involved there, as well, yeah.
Speaker 1:And of course, the other symbols consist of skulls and bones, because, of course, skull and bones, but George Bush's both elder and lesser were supposedly have been members of Skull Boats.
Speaker 2:Like Logan Huntsberger and his father. His father? What's his name?
Speaker 1:Mr Huntsberger. I can't remember.
Speaker 2:I genuinely can't remember what's his name I can picture his face right now, because he's the granddad in Guardians of the Galaxy. Yeah oh yeah, I can't remember Both. No, in Guardians of the Galaxy, yeah oh.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't remember Both, no, so, but they were conspiracies surrounding them. Is that they are connected to the CIA and also global making policy?
Speaker 1:Whoa, in fact there is One little group of 15 members in a random university in the US is Well, there's a film called the Good Shepherd with Matt Damon in it and it talks about how he becomes the head of the CIA. Right, matt Damon? He actually a lot of this is discussed at one of the Skull and Bones about after the Second World War and the creation of the CIA, and it was discussed actually at Skull and Bones and how they were going to do it. But allegedly as well the JFK assassination has been linked to Skull and Bones as well. Of course it has Yep On that grassy knoll.
Speaker 1:On the grassy knoll Bilderberg Group. Now, these do exist. I do know the Bilderberg Group exists and they have an annual meeting across the world.
Speaker 2:Hotel de Bilderberg apparently.
Speaker 1:Yep, but they believe that they're just basically a global think tank of elites. So again, it's like the G7.
Speaker 2:It's networking it's networking Mate Mate. Mate, you have no idea what my country did this week.
Speaker 1:Attendees include world leaders, billionaires, military officials, but the conspiracy thing is and now I do know that media is not allowed into these meetings, I'd want to say they're not allowed. So of course. So people think that they're controlling world politics.
Speaker 2:Okay sometimes I forget I am media as my job. Yeah, I am press you are the devil, but I not in that press. I'm not that type of press.
Speaker 1:And again, just as an aside, in my mind, somebody who is press, you have a duty as well to report properly, accurately, yeah, accurately and properly. So when I see people labeling themselves as journalists when they've just got a YouTube channel and they've got no media training, there've been no journalism school or anything like that, I find some of those people quite dangerous. I'm just going to say that Opus Dei Never heard of this one. No, this was. I don't think this one exists. This one is. This one's been plucked out of the air. It was mentioned in the da vinci code.
Speaker 1:okay, uh, and they were it was apparently founded in 1928 yeah jose maria escriva yeah, they're kind of like a you know that they're a catholic religious cult within within catholicism okay, well, and that's fun. They. They're a Catholic religious cult within Catholicism Okay well, that's fun. They're the ones who whip themselves.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's not fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're kind of completely devoted to Catholicism, allegedly, you know. I don't even think they do actually exist, but there is a theory that they actually secretly control the Vatican. That's not dangerous at all, no, no, but they're quite. They're almost like your your dark monks.
Speaker 2:That's what they, you know, think about. Oh yeah, that's what I don't want to join their crew no, then you got the rosicrucians right.
Speaker 1:They again very christian based, you would say, with the name, like rosicrucians it does sound quite Christian. They're apparently alleged to have been formed in the 1600s, blending mysticism, alchemy and Christianity.
Speaker 2:So they're more like your Full metal alchemist.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And they're believed to hold Hidden religious knowledge.
Speaker 2:Why are they hiding it? They'd have more believers if they weren't hiding it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you know, keep it behind the closed doors, then I know the next one, the Black Hand. Do you want to take the next one, because I've been talking quite a lot? Sure, go on, you take the next one, the Black Hand. Tell me what you know about the Black Hand.
Speaker 2:What I know about the Black hand is that they were the kind of the catalyst for world war one. Start, yes, with old franz ferdinand. I say don't you know. You say you don't know, I say uh, but they really did take him out, um they really did yeah founded in 1911, directly responsible for the assassination, the archduke franz ferdinand which I just sang. 1914, so 1914. So they only took them three years to plan that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you think about how that one incident sent the whole world into. Well, it's quite easy to work out how it happened, because it's basically Croatia and Serbia and they went and got their bigger brothers to kind of start fighting for them.
Speaker 2:You say that as the catalyst, but you only know that after the fact. Yes, how do you think and I know this is a question that you've already posed on here, but do you think they actually started the war? Do you think they thought assassinating that chap they were like, oh, let's start a world war? Because I don't think so. I think they just wanted to cause a rift in that smaller community. I don't think they expected that one act to make that thing grow.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, that is exactly it. I don't think a lot of people understand how the consequences of the consequence of their actions and how I mean you look at, you look at again, be very careful. Um, world politics, you know, uh, let's talk about india, pakistan, israel, gaza, all of those, both those two conflicts started because of well, that's a very flippant way of saying it because there's much more kind of background on all of this and political unrest in those areas and history of those areas. And this is a very yeah, I'm going to be very, very careful, but it was one catalyst.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It was one catalyst that then brought the stuff was bubbling beforehand anyway, but it's one, one incident that kind of catapulted it then into a full-scale conflict. Um, so did. Did they know that that would happen?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know I don't think so I don't think they shot him thinking that that was going to cause a world war. I really don't.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think anyone can him thinking that that was going to cause a world war?
Speaker 2:I really don't I don't think anyone can really truly believe that that's what would have happened. They could have been advised and warned against it, perhaps, but why would they do it? What was the purpose of world war?
Speaker 1:Have you heard the theory on the Archduke Franz Ferdinand?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:There's a few interesting things about that, because when they, when they actually got shot, it was, it was how they got him was actually quite coincidental because he was the guy and I can't remember this exactly, you will have to have a little look at it, look it up but the, the guy who was going to kill the archduke franz ferdinand was in a specific place because he knew that was how was the route that he was going to kill the Archduke Franz Ferdinand was in a specific place because he knew that was the route that he was going to take, but something happened that diverted the car off that route.
Speaker 1:Theoretically so that would have meant that the Archduke Franz Ferdinand would have survived and he wouldn't have been able to have been assassinated. But then something else happened that diverted him back onto the route, or something happened here. So then he moved to that route by accident and he killed him somewhere else, where he wasn't supposed to kill him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. It was almost like this happened. It was like, oh damn, we missed our opportunity and then it happened upon him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have heard this yeah, but the theory goes and there is a. There is a theory that it was actually a time traveler.
Speaker 2:Okay bear with me. Bear with me on this one.
Speaker 1:Bear with me on this one. What happened was was that somebody went back in time to stop the assassination of the archduke franz ferdinand. They then went back to their own timeline and the whole world was right absolutely so they were just like, so what they? Were like was shit, we've got to, we've got to put this back on course so what? They did so. Then another time traveller went back and diverted it back oh my gosh that is the theory. That is the theory, is it true?
Speaker 2:no, do you believe it?
Speaker 1:no, but I do like that as an idea. But also, the license plate of the Archduke Franz Ferdinand was the day they signed the Treaty of Versailles ending the First World War. That's just a crazy coincidence.
Speaker 2:But that is a coincidence, that's a coincidence, yeah, so crazy.
Speaker 1:So that's the Black.
Speaker 2:Hand, bohemian Grove I love it.
Speaker 1:I have heard of Bohemian Grove. They were apparently founded in 1872 as an elite retreat.
Speaker 2:Like the island.
Speaker 1:Like the island yes. And they have annual gatherings of powerful men.
Speaker 2:Why is it always these men? Women are known as being secretive or whatever. Oh, they've got their own little language, whereas these guys are going off being oh, we're all men and we've got our little secret group. I'm sorry, I'm getting annoyed now. They're all men, all powerful men, but okay, are there any powerful women?
Speaker 1:groups. Are we better?
Speaker 2:at hiding it.
Speaker 1:All I'll say on this one is I've seen pictures of the Bohemian Grove with their giant owl in their little woodland thing, and it looks like a campfire, because it does happen. But they're all wearing robes. So how do you know? They're all men. I mean, yeah, okay, so it might not be. So the conspiracy there is, oh, it's all these powerful men.
Speaker 2:It might not be. Maybe they're all women. They might all be women. Maybe there's Marjorie Mabel. It just says specifically on this one annual gathering of powerful men. I think women are either better at hiding their secret societies or we don't need that shit because we are honest and tell everyone what's going on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, so they believe they do control world policy as well. The bohemian grove, a lot of these. When you actually look into a lot of these secret societies, they actually do think they all, they all kind of come together as the same thing as well.
Speaker 2:They are all the same, aren't they? Yeah, they're all exactly the same.
Speaker 1:Last one yeah, the last one, although this was actually found out to be a hoax in the fact that they do not actually exist. They just recently found out that they never have existed.
Speaker 1:Fair enough, they were called the priory of zion okay and they were allegedly founded in like a thousand or thousand years ago, right, and they believe that they and the priory of zion, that the belief is is that they hold the truth about jesus's true bloodline and they were designed and they were brought about to protect that bloodline. Okay, they, they're like bodyguards for Jesus. Jesus' bloodline, yeah, yeah, jesus' bloodline, jesus' bloodline, yeah.
Speaker 2:So did Jesus have children.
Speaker 1:Well, okay.
Speaker 2:Did he have flings?
Speaker 1:Okay, so again, love child, all right, a lot of this is quite religious-based, so I will say there are a lot of religious based yeah. In the Gospels in the Bible. Where's the Gospel of Mary Magdalene?
Speaker 2:Well, because she's a woman, she's not allowed to freaking speak is she Okay? So that annoys me, carry on.
Speaker 1:In religion, specifically Christianity. Okay, jesus is seen as this guy who was never married, carpenter. So, yeah, carpenter, so he had 12 disciples, all men, all men. Just put it out there. But Mary Magdalene, tell me about Mary Magdalene, where does she fit in?
Speaker 2:All I ever hear about Mary Magdalene is the fact that she was a whore.
Speaker 1:Bof, there you go. Okay, what did Mary magdalene did to jesus? She did something I can't remember. She washed his feet oh, that was it. Yeah, she washed his feet yeah, now that back then romantic was was romantic, but it was also part of a wedding ceremony ah, so did he marry mary magdalene mary magdalene. Imagine, imagine it Could have been Jesus' wife. But later on down the line, because the church didn't like that the fact that Jesus was married they changed the narrative to make Mary Magdalene out to be a whore.
Speaker 2:And wouldn't it be funny. How funny is it that he married someone with the same name as his mum?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, there's a lot of Marys around. There is a lot of mary's around. There is a lot of mary's. I mean in ireland. You couldn't go. You can, you can't go five meters without finding a mary. Yeah, you know fair enough.
Speaker 2:But I just feel like, yeah, I don't know um it. It's annoying to me that they would change the narrative to make her out to be a whore yeah, that is that the church have got form for that sort of. Thing.
Speaker 1:You know, let's be honest.
Speaker 2:Oh, we don't like her. Let's make her out to be a whore, yeah exactly, but when you actually?
Speaker 1:but where is the gospel of Mary Magdalene? There's a lot of the other gospels. Where's?
Speaker 2:hers Wasn't Jesus's mum. Wasn't it a miraculous conception? Oh, exactly, A virgin birth oh my arse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean. There's also the funny joke of like oh, you know, joseph was actually what's the word? He couldn't have children.
Speaker 2:Oh barren.
Speaker 1:Yeah, barren, so Joseph was barren. Mary gets pregnant, so Joseph is like asking questions, fair enough, and Mary comes up with this story of well, no, it's the son of God. It's the son of God where in?
Speaker 2:fact, she was just cheating. I'm being very blasphemous, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, you are I think we both are to be fair. Yeah, yeah, I think we um, before I do really go on a complete and utter rampage about religion.
Speaker 2:Let's, let's end it there, because you do tell me off about that.
Speaker 1:I say that, but you know, I am genuinely quite good. But because you do know, I do have I think you play to it.
Speaker 2:You play to it.
Speaker 1:I do have these tendencies to go.
Speaker 2:I'm way more agnostic than you are.
Speaker 1:That's probably one of the worst rants. I have Not worst rants, but Worst in terms of controversialness yes, yeah yeah, anyway, if you'd like.
Speaker 2:I just ask questions.
Speaker 1:That's all really. I just ask questions.
Speaker 2:I just ask questions, he. So, if you enjoyed this episode of Secret Societies, we have plenty more of this kind of genre actually out there. We've done a conspiracy theory, one mysterious ones that I can't think of right now, but we have more. So, yeah, have a look in the bank and if you're joining us on YouTube, there's a lot more on Spotify. No, sorry, not just Spotify, but other streaming services as well. Other services are available. I keep saying Spotify.
Speaker 1:I know we're on everything I know, but Spotify is kind of like the we're on Apple.
Speaker 2:Podcasts we're on everything. There's, loads there's nothing, we're not on.
Speaker 1:I mean, that's no, because I think we're on Global Player. Yeah, I don't put them on. So what does the publishing? Buzzsprout, buzzsprout. I just upload it to Buzzsprout and it just sends it out everywhere yes, so listen to us wherever you listen to podcasts.
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