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Analogue vs Digital: A Debate on Technology's Evolution - Part Two
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The analogue versus digital debate continues as we explore recording devices, thermometers, calculators, and more technology spanning generations.
• Recording devices have evolved from cassette tapes recording radio songs to digital files stored in the cloud
• Digital calculators and their analogue predecessors
• Context matters - digital scales for baking precision, analogue measuring tapes for physical spaces
• Security biometrics, physical keys, and digital backups
• Digital banking v cash
• Navigation GPS for real-time data and physical maps
• Document storage
• The lighting discussion candles still have atmospheric value despite smart lighting convenience
• Our unexpected conclusion? Listen to discover Davey and Hannah's conclusion ;)
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Speaker 2:us via email, instagram, facebook or TikTok Links in bio. Welcome to part two of Analog vs Digital bonus. Dad bonus daughter episode.
Speaker 1:The way we're going with this episode, this might be a ten parter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we need to rattle through these a bit quicker.
Speaker 1:We do, we really do. Yeah, sorry everyone.
Speaker 2:In advance. We've got a lot to say, apparently, yeah Cool. So we left lovingly on the topic of television and we decided that digital was better.
Speaker 1:We did indeed.
Speaker 2:So we both came to that conclusion. We are now, ironically, on recording devices.
Speaker 1:I know how bizarre, how bizarre yes, how bizarre.
Speaker 2:Any life updates in the last 10 minutes In the last 10 minutes.
Speaker 1:No, how bizarre.
Speaker 2:Any life updates in the last 10 minutes in the last 10 minutes no other than the fact that you can't seem to work a door, um fighting to get back into the room. Um, it's a push not a pull.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, um, no okay, okay, should we go back should we get straight in? So yeah, so, just just to recap, we've, uh, we've got. We went through four, five didn't? We went through clocks and watches. We both photography, yeah, music, playback telephones and television, uh, analog versus digital.
Speaker 2:And next up, we have recording devices if you listen to our previous episode, uh, which was part one of this, um, we mentioned that we were actually moving studios and this is the last day we're recording in the studio, which is crazy. We're just so happening, happen.
Speaker 1:We just so happen to be talking about recording devices, which is bizarre how bizarre, how bizarre do, do, do, do, do do do do, um so recording devices.
Speaker 2:I don't really have much to say about this in terms of the analog side of things, because I never used them.
Speaker 1:So I used to. I did used to have a cassette where you used to press, record and record and play and there was a little microphone on that. So I did used to do a tape recording for voices, for voices but also and a lot of other people would have done the same as me on. This was on a sunday when the charts would come on the radio. We used to record direct from the radio that is just so bizarre to me.
Speaker 1:I used to sit there waiting with your recording button the other thing we used to do. So I remember having like a, a tape recorder, and then I'd put a wire to another tape recorder so if I had somebody's album on tape I could record it.
Speaker 2:That sounds like piracy it was early piracy.
Speaker 1:It was early piracy.
Speaker 2:So you kind of recording the radio at the time. What I want to say is how cool of a relic would that be to be? Now, listen to that back and listen to the adverts that they were playing, the way they were talking, the things that they were saying no, no, no, see, we used to time it so we didn't have the adverts.
Speaker 1:See, that upsets me.
Speaker 2:That upsets me because that would be such a cool like way of I don't know like what we're trying to say, like in a museum you would see like something of the past.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To be able to hear what they were talking about. That would interest me more than the music that you were trying to record Okay, yeah. Because it would just be so cool to me to listen to like things. Mitchell and I, my husband and I are currently going through a bit of a phase of like re-watching old television, old films, particularly 90s and noughties, where the digital? Age was coming in, and well you know, yeah, I'm saying old films, but this is your, yeah, well, they are now?
Speaker 2:yeah, they are in compare comparison to the digital age and seeing what they're saying and the things that you just would not fly today, like you know, politically but also oh god um, just just like the adverts that come up and the stuff like that, it's like so cool to kind of remember and also have a little bit before our time.
Speaker 1:I bet there's people out there my age who do still have those tapes.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, probably in a box somewhere in their loft haven't?
Speaker 1:they. I remember so one thing that we did used to do so to stop you recording over something. On the top of the tape there was a little plastic kind of little flat bits, and you used to break them. That meant that you couldn't record over the tape.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right, but you got some sellotape you could sellotape over it.
Speaker 2:Such a ghetto job. Yeah, yeah, I love it, yeah you used to do that all the time. The other thing we used to do with tapes is when tapes used to go wrong is uh, pencil, wind them up. Wind them up with a pencil, because I remember doing that, because I remember tapes they were probably the first music media that I remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, vinyl was before my time, but tape was I had a tape player in my first car actually, um, not that I had any tapes to play in it, but I did. And then, yeah, and now I guess, digital recording devices. Yeah, you've got USB, you've got the cloud USBs. I remember more for recording my schoolwork on saving my schoolwork, on If you saved a copy of the file it wouldn't open.
Speaker 2:But if you saved the original file, it would open. Annoying. You can't even fathom that. Now that's not a thing anymore. Copying a file is just copying a file. Now's that. You can't even fathom that. Now, no, like that's not a thing anymore. Copying a file is just copying a file now, and you can just open it anywhere, but having to actually have to put the original on the usb stick yeah, mad.
Speaker 1:Well, when you think about what we're doing now, this podcast, yes, I mean we couldn't have done that back then, like in this format?
Speaker 2:no, but actually we are recording it on a physical we are recording on an sd card.
Speaker 1:Sd card, yes, which?
Speaker 2:is a digital recording on a physical on a physical media.
Speaker 1:Media yeah I guess it's still technically digital yeah, it's still technically digital, yeah, yeah I mean, I'm gonna have to say digital on this one, I'm gonna have to say digital on this one, yeah because it's just so much easier and also because of what I do with the podcast, but also from a music standpoint as well yeah, yeah mixing music and doing much easier. Now it's so much easier.
Speaker 2:It's so much more accessible and so much easier and like what's kind of replaced the dictation cassettes for, like interviews and things like that is the voice note. Yeah, the voice note has come back.
Speaker 1:Oh, when I write songs, if I think of a melody or even a lyric.
Speaker 2:I don't know why we went with that one, but yeah.
Speaker 1:My voice notes in my phone is filled with song ideas yeah. I'll think of a melody, and I think because quite often you'll think of a melody and then 10 minutes later you'll forget it, so I'll just hum it into a phone. Same with lyrics. I'll think of a really cool lyric and I'll just be like just voice notes straight up, and pull it in.
Speaker 2:It is the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and also when we were obviously, when the band is, we're coming up with new songs as well, when we're just doing jamming sessions I put the phone in the middle of the floor and we'd all start playing. And you know, there might be 10 minutes of absolute dross, but Peach might come up with a lick, or Joe will come up with a drum beat and we'll all go like that, but it will all be recorded on the phone. It's already there, so we've not lost it. When I think back to musicians before they had these types of recording devices, they probably had jamming sessions where they came up with some absolute genius ideas, but as soon as they played it, I don't even know what I've just done.
Speaker 2:I've just forgotten it. What did I do?
Speaker 1:yeah, I've just forgotten it, nice. So yeah, 100% digital.
Speaker 2:Digital on this one okay, we we're moving on to calculators.
Speaker 1:I like the fact that with calculators the analogue is the abacus. Have you ever used an abacus?
Speaker 2:Well, I was just about to say the only time I've ever used an abacus was one that I had as a child and that was just a way of helping to count numbers at the time and learning numbers. I can't say I've ever used it for actual maths.
Speaker 1:I've never used an abacus in my life. No, no.
Speaker 2:Firmly. I don't even think much discussion is needed on this. I think it's digital.
Speaker 1:Digital all the way? Yeah, 100% digital, although calculators when you're children, right? Or when you're kids at school.
Speaker 2:We used to write boobies on the calculator and turn them upside down With a scientific calculator.
Speaker 1:Although I mean, here's a question for you. Okay, scientific calculators we all had them, yeah.
Speaker 2:Cost-hands sign. Did you ever use them? Did you ever use that sign At school? Yes, I have never used it in life, though.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what, none of it means. Sokotoa means soccer toa soccer.
Speaker 2:Yeah now trigonometry. Honestly, when it comes to math, I am I am awful at maths. I am good at maths when it's not mental maths yeah, I cannot do mental maths. I cannot fathom how people do calculations in their head. I really, really struggle with that. However, on a calculator, give me a maths exam yeah boom bobs your uncle's your uncle.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, maths storm Rubbish, absolutely rubbish at maths. But yeah, that scientific alkylase with all those buttons at the top there I don't think you used 90% of it.
Speaker 2:I don't remember using that many of them, but I did definitely use more like end of GCSE level trigonometry, geometry, circles, pi, all that rubbish.
Speaker 1:No, no, maths just did not interest me at all. They're really rubbish at maths. So yeah, I think Calculate is 100% digital, absolutely digital Thermometers.
Speaker 2:Now, I don't think I own a digital thermometer.
Speaker 1:Do you not have a thermometer where you put it into the meat?
Speaker 2:I don't even own. Because we don't, actually I don't even think I own an analogue thermometer.
Speaker 1:No, I don't think you own a thermometer at all.
Speaker 2:Well, there must be one in my house, because it controls the heating.
Speaker 1:Have you not got one for if you're ill?
Speaker 2:No, we probably should Put it in your lug or in your mouth or your bum what well, there's such a thing as a rectal thermometer right, yeah, but now mercury and alcohol based. I understand why they don't use them anymore is because mercury can kill you can kill you. I guess putting it in your bum and then it snapping in your bum. I don't know why I'm immediately going to the bum.
Speaker 1:But we did used to have there was a glass thermometer. I remember when we used to go to the doctors and they put a glass thermometer and they used to have mercury in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm wondering if they're more accurate than the digital one. I would trust an analogue one over a digital one.
Speaker 1:Do you know what I don't actually know? When you think about mercury right in a mercury thermometer, it will go up and it will read it onto that point.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whereas digital. It will give you an actual digital reading of exactly what your temperature is.
Speaker 2:But you've got no visual example of that being truthful or accurate.
Speaker 1:Am I going?
Speaker 2:into the conspiracy of thermometers now yeah. But like I don't know, I think I would genuinely trust an analogue one more, because I can see it physically with my eyes. Okay, the only experience I have with a thermometer is I used to have a colleague that had one in the office and if it was too cold she'd be like, well, we shouldn't be working in the office, it's too cold in here. And same with the other way oh, it's too hot in the office.
Speaker 1:Put a jumper on.
Speaker 2:Well, put a jumper on, but also the office is too cold to actually physically work in or the office is too hot to work in. Do you know what?
Speaker 1:Because we don't have air conditioning. The more I think about it, the more I think an analogue thermometer such as Merck, again like a lot of these is much more aesthetically pleasing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to go with analogue on this one.
Speaker 1:Are you Okay?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to break my digital. I've said digital for all of them now, but thermometers, I'm going to go analogue.
Speaker 1:I hope scientists agree with me. But the thing is digital's safer.
Speaker 2:Digital is safer.
Speaker 1:Because, say, mercury is quite toxic.
Speaker 2:I've never understood the you know the forehead one that they had when COVID come out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like the gun one, because I know mum has one. I they had when covid come out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the gun one, because I know mom has one. I don't understand how that works and I think, because I don't understand how it works, I prefer the old-fashioned job yeah, actually, how do they work?
Speaker 2:yeah, is it to do with this, with the heat between the space? Because they read it with like a, it's like a red light that's on your forehead, and then I don't know how it works. And I think, because I don't know how it works, I'm trusting analog, analog more because I can physically see the bar moving.
Speaker 1:It's interesting that you say that, yeah, interesting. You say that because you don't know how something works. You trust it less. Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2:It actually says a lot about society.
Speaker 1:It really does. Do you know what I said this?
Speaker 2:the other day. When we don't know things, we don't trust them. Do we, Do you?
Speaker 1:know what the other day, and I even said this at work, when we're talking about believing things and I would say don't believe anything. Anyone ever tells you, including me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because I don't. It's all again gone. That whole thing about Fake news, yeah, all that, no, nothing about perception, perspective and all of that. And also, especially like with these, say don't believe anything when I say even me, because things change and things change all the time. So what might be Something could happen tomorrow and what happened yesterday is no longer true, but will no longer happen in that format because there's been a change somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah so that's when I say to people.
Speaker 2:Information is always constantly changing. Exactly, and you can see that in just like, because it's just hot on my mind, because it seems like everyone I know is pregnant at the moment. But it's like when they say like someone pregnant now has so many things that they need to avoid food-wise and stuff like that. Can't I don't know can't have sushi or whatever.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty certain that my mum wouldn't even known that when I was younger, and I turned out fine, which I know is not the attitude to have, but I think there's like a lot of. There's a lot of research that's gone into. Well, things change Babies and stuff like that. And now they're like oh yeah, we probably shouldn't have done that, what we did back then, because actually this does this and this does this and this will be better for your child yeah so yeah, things, things just change over time. It's like, oh, we didn't do it like that and now we do it this way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, exactly, I mean it's the whole thing. I mean, oh, I mean I'm not, I promise I won't go off on one, I promise I won't go off on one. Okay, here we go. Yeah, but it's that whole thing about science and religion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in the fact, how do we get from thermometers to science and religion?
Speaker 1:because because this is what I say because religion is based on things saying that's that belief and no one can change that belief. And that is true, whereas science is constantly changing, isn't it? It is you know, science might get things wrong. Something might come in and, but science will turn around and go okay, okay, we got that wrong.
Speaker 2:We now know this All of our hands are yes we understand now that we have made a mistake.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Here's the rectified. Exactly Because things change.
Speaker 2:You're right. I know what you're about to say Religion doesn't do that and religion doesn't. So that's all I'm going. So thermometers leads us very nicely onto measuring instruments, which is pretty much the same thing.
Speaker 1:We probably should have banded them together in hindsight, yeah, but no, quickly, kind of.
Speaker 2:But you've got scales, that type of thing again I, I like my digital scales because to the exact gram, yeah, edge, and I understand how that works, because something heavy on something, oh, it reads it within itself, right yeah, it's not like a needle, yeah, it's not like a needle moving, and this is where I get from. The trust situation is that when it comes to scales, I don't actually trust my eyes anymore yeah some reason I trust them for a thermometer, but I don't trust them on a set of scales.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how strange is that it is.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about bathroom scales that you stand on?
Speaker 2:oh, I was actually talking about um baking, baking baking scales.
Speaker 1:See, I like the digital scales because obviously when we make bread and we have to have 400, grams of flour. It does give you that exact, so that you've got your measurements right.
Speaker 2:There's no room for human error with the digital scale unless your digital scale is uncalibrated. And how would you know if it wasn't calibrated?
Speaker 1:But I enjoy the bathroom scales when you're standing on it and you get the needle and it goes ping.
Speaker 2:You enjoy the bathroom scales.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like standing on them and watching the needle ping round.
Speaker 2:Says a man, because I don't think there's any woman that can confidently say that they like the bathroom scales, even if they are.
Speaker 1:It's just fun to watch the needle spin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I have digital.
Speaker 1:I don't actually read it, I just watch the needle spin. I have digital scales and, uh, I don't like using them um, but yes, um I must admit, calipers are quite cool, though as well, you know, like when map reading yeah, and you do that. That's quite cool, isn't it.
Speaker 2:It does look cool it does look cool.
Speaker 1:But then saying that I also do like the fact, the measuring thing that you have on your iphone where you say, like maps, if you, if you're like measuring something on the wall yeah like like we're saying, well, how big is it going to be? And like, do it.
Speaker 2:I mean that's very clever that is clever, that's very clever and I don't think it.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's, I don't trust it.
Speaker 2:No I don't, and I would actually use analog in that sense but yeah when you hold the measuring tape I think for measuring instruments it depends on the measuring instrument yeah, okay yeah, I think. I think that's fair to say so I guess I'm on the fence, but it depends on the, it depends on me I would.
Speaker 1:I would actually say yeah, I prefer analog on this one. Oh, I prefer analog cheeky, but just just again, because it's just again you like a digital thermometer because it's safer, but you prefer an analog just because the way it looks, okay, just because the way it looks. Yeah, again the aesthetic side of things.
Speaker 1:I like things that look pretty do you know I actually I do you know what? I'm actually going to change my mind there and I think it's dependent. In the moment I'm like science, you see, yeah, I know when I'm wrong and I can admit that and I'll move on, but I think it depends on what you're using it for. So, so, if you're using it for baking digital, for accuracy, yes, yeah, I think again.
Speaker 2:I think you're saying the same as me it depends on the instrument. It depends on what you're using that instrument for in that moment of space.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and how much that accuracy is actually needed. Yeah, if I was measuring something for a space.
Speaker 2:I would definitely use a measuring tape. But, also, mitchell is listening to this podcast and he knows that my ability to convert centimeters into inches is shockingly bad. And because I think it's because I was taught metric, yeah. But every sewing pattern ever is in imperial measurements. It's all in inches. So I get very confused, yeah, and I have to triple, quadruple check everything and I've bought things in our house that just don't fit because of this problem that I have.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I I should trust my eyes, but I don't yeah trust any measurements that I take in terms of, actually, you know, tape measuring yeah I have to get him to triple check everything because I cannot be trusted. Anyway, moving on, so radios analogs.
Speaker 1:You've got your AM FM shortwave radio.
Speaker 2:Again, this might need to be fact checked, but I can kind of very distinctively remember the shift from AM, fm to DAB, and I'm talking like BBC Radio 1.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember that being within my memory yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, in my time DAB was a big thing when it kind of came out. Dab radio yeah absolute 90s absolute 80s I think the sound was clearer. You know the sound's a lot clearer in digital much better quality.
Speaker 2:yeah, and you don't have to actually tune your radio, you don't have to move the needle and find the bloody FM.
Speaker 1:The frequency, the frequency, that's it. There's something quite cool about that. When you see the like in old nostalgic films, you go.
Speaker 2:Hello, and we're a welcome to Bagged Down. And then you go, we're on Radio 4 Live FM, Brought to you by classicalmusiccom I don't know where I went with that and then you go and he's gone into the run for a run and it's like this, like sport thing. Oh yeah, there was something quite beautiful about that actually.
Speaker 1:I can't remember what it was now, but someone did that and they did the start of a song as though someone was tuning in like AM FM radio and everyone was talking differently, but it made one sentence.
Speaker 2:I can't remember what it was, but it was really cool. Oh, Bumblebee does that in Transformers.
Speaker 1:Does he?
Speaker 2:That's how he talks, isn't?
Speaker 1:it? Oh yeah, of course he does. He talks through the radio, yeah.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:I like.
Speaker 2:Bumblebee. He's nice and cute. So again, I think, for nostalgic purposes purposes analog but also, but I think for digital has so much more audio clarity quality, I'm going digital. Digital there's just much more. Uh, there's more choice of stations to choose from, as well from dab, and also you can um, uh, you can use like the internet to so like radio x, for example, can be found on the internet as well as as on in your car.
Speaker 1:So actually, no, I'm definitely digital digital, yeah, yeah, okay, medical, so I don't really know, no shall we.
Speaker 2:We have a lack of knowledge in this area.
Speaker 1:Shall we skip this? But what I?
Speaker 2:will say uh, just on that, because medical stuff is quite apparent with myself. Really, I'm assuming digital is the imaging that we can do now to find conditions and diagnose them is definitely way less invasive than opening someone up and having a look inside surgery-wise. On that note, I would probably say digital, but without the lack of knowledge of any analogue printing that they ever did for in the medical field.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping doctors and nurses agree with me there, if there's any listening. But I'm going to make the wild assumption that, from a patient point of view, medical imaging has probably come a long way and less invasive than other procedures.
Speaker 1:Yep, cool, moving on this one's well, we've kind of done this one, but we kind of touch on again.
Speaker 2:So we're talking sound recording and this is kind of within studio and concerts yeah, yeah, we, as you said, you we've touched on this one, as we mentioned, that the vinyl has has that sort of edge to it, that quality to it, that that does sound quite yeah, but also when you're, when you're recording direct onto vinyl, you've got one shot at it yeah, one shot to one shot, whereas digital.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and me when I'm in the studio for some reason. Joe will tell you this how many takes.
Speaker 2:Do you need oh?
Speaker 1:do you know what? I don't even, honestly, I don't know how joe puts up with me because my time I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:It's the pressure of being in the studio yeah, suddenly you're like oh god, I've forgotten every single word of this ever well, not only that, my timing when I'm guitar playing, when I'm playing the guitar timing goes out the window yeah even though I'm listening, even though I'm listening to joe's drum beat a lot, it's like start again, start again.
Speaker 1:but also with them, with some of peach's. Uh, I'm gonna let a little secret out now. Oh, a little cut out of the bag, okay. So if you listen to some of Peach's solos, sometimes that's probably five solos knitted together.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:Which is quite often why, when we play it live, the solos are always different. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's kind of remembering what you did. I imagine Brian May has the same issue with every Queen riff ever.
Speaker 1:Peach is. When it comes to improvising solos, he's phenomenal.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:He is absolutely phenomenal, which is why his solos sound so good, does he? Listen to his podcast. We praise him a lot. We do praise him a lot. I don't. Yeah, I think he does, I think he does.
Speaker 2:I, I think he does, I hope he does. I hope when he listens he has a little smile on his face whenever we praise Pete, I just hope that visually in my head. I hope that happens.
Speaker 1:But yeah, if you come and see us play live every single time, I bet the solo will be different. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Every single time the solos. Oh, let's go to automotive then.
Speaker 1:Okay, so we're talking within cars. The dials, speedometers yeah, all of that. Now, what I like about speedometers which are analog. Now, I don't know if this is true or not. Yep, go on, but I've heard that they're actually wired wrong and that if you will say that the speedometer that you're doing 30, but actually you're probably only doing about 27, 28 that is correct.
Speaker 2:Yes, because it allows for a margin of error. Yeah, so it will always put it down, obviously, rather than up yeah because you could blame the car and say but the car told me I was doing 30, but you've told me you're doing 33 and they know that's not correct right yeah, so no one wants to blame the car yeah which is why I think a lot of people with either limiters or cruise control, tend to be on 73 on the motorway because because of that that margin of error, yeah, I prefer digital.
Speaker 2:the reason being probably highlights the fact that I'm actually quite a bad driver in the sense that I'll never forget. When I got my first car, I mistook the rev counter as the speedometer and scared the shit out of mum and Daniel in the back of the car.
Speaker 2:I think with a digital one, you can look down at a needle I suppose it's what you're used to really but you look down at the needle and you don't necessarily get an accurate image of what that is, whereas now I'm in a digital automatic car yeah the speed that I'm going is the speed that I can physically see the numbers of okay and, and you can change digital from miles per hour to kilometers per hour if you're in another country right whereas on a dial you may have that in a smaller print elsewhere. So I think there's you know there's room for that as well I don't think I like the dials and needles as much as they look cool. Again, aesthetically maybe cooler.
Speaker 1:I think it's more accurate on the digital oh yeah, I think it's more accurate on the digital, but I I think I've never had a car with digital in it. I'm just used to the dials is your current car dials my current car starts. Yeah, oh, yeah, it's dials. Wow, never even noticed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's dials, yeah, and I think, because I've never even noticed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's dialed yeah.
Speaker 2:And I think, because I've never even noticed. I guess it's not that aesthetically pleasing and actually I'll just go for digital anyway, because I've never Okay. I think all of my cars have been digital. The rev counter is more of a battery bar, like it's digital display, but it actually still kind of looks like it's moving, I guess, as most rev counters are always on the move.
Speaker 1:But yeah, no no, I definitely prefer the digital. Yeah, no, I'm going to go the other side on this one You're going to go.
Speaker 2:Analogue.
Speaker 1:Yeah, analogue on this one.
Speaker 2:Just because you use it.
Speaker 1:Indeed.
Speaker 2:Security systems. Now I think I'm going to have to leave this one to you. I have no idea.
Speaker 1:So, hmm, okay, there's more risk with being hacked with digital. Yeah, I can understand that Digital is better, but it does throw up its own problems.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a problem that well, you could say that, but you could also have people stealing tapes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could do, but you're more vulnerable, I think digitally. Look at you. Okay, without going. Ok, let's, without going into.
Speaker 2:Think of like a ring camera.
Speaker 1:Because obviously security systems is kind of what I do, yeah, or part of what I do Part of what you do, yeah, so OK, let's take it domestic, go domestic, let's go ring doorbell.
Speaker 2:Ring doorbell, let's go domestic.
Speaker 1:Let's go ring doorbell. Ring doorbells are brilliant. They're a brilliant bit of kit.
Speaker 2:I don't have one.
Speaker 1:No, but there is vulnerability there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think so, I think. Sometimes I think cameras are better deterrents just by being there than the actual recording that it produces.
Speaker 1:Yes, can I say that? You can say that. You can say that, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I think what the problem with the Ring cameras and other cameras like it and again, we're not affiliated or associated and I'm not going to bash any brands, but I'm not a massive fan that all of them are on a subscription, like if we just set up a camera from our window outside and then just had it recording doing its thing, we wouldn't have to be on subscription. So I think that annoys me.
Speaker 1:Subscriptions wind me up in general, because everything you're just bleeding your bank account with all these so many different subscriptions.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I can't imagine how much we spend on subscriptions. We've got all of the TV ones. We've got, like you know, Disney and Disney bloody Spotify is another one.
Speaker 1:I mean there might be a lot. There's like a fiver here, six quid here, seven quid here, but it all adds up, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:I reckon we spend a good, at least 50 quid and it's just money.
Speaker 1:It's money for old rope, it's just yeah exactly but going back to this, I do think that there is again. It just depends what you want the system for yeah depending on what the what you want the system for, depending on whether analog or whether digital is better I, like most doors in the uk are lock and key as well domestic, I'm speaking now.
Speaker 2:Yes, keys can break but, also. Chips in your card sometimes don't work if you're going there is so I, I don't know. Sometimes the physical copy is strong enough to.
Speaker 1:To be honest, you want more than one system. Yeah, you use more than one system. It's like you've got your biometric systems.
Speaker 2:You can have card systems and I think biometric systems for your phone is good the thing is with card systems, with biometrics, it's logged as well. Yeah, so you can see it, whereas a key you could lose a key, it's that you can't.
Speaker 1:You you've got no tracking yeah, you can't lose your face exactly unless you were in a horrific accident of some sort you're less likely to. So it's, or in my mind it's, but it's better to have both but even on phones you've got the biometric.
Speaker 2:Some have the thumbprint or fingerprint, so there's either face or thumbprint, but then you also have a passcode as well yeah so there is it. Oh, and you also have an email address and 2fa on your like apple, for example, you've got 2fa.
Speaker 1:So I guess actually that has three systems already on the phone to protect your data, so, but also security systems and that rely on power electricity and wi-fi things like. So if those go down, you've got to. You're better to have that as your main system, but then a backup as well.
Speaker 2:Backup Two systems, so both analog and digital. No clear winner.
Speaker 1:They complement each other.
Speaker 2:Yes, love it. There we go. Banking transactions. I literally just touched on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I currently have some cash at my disposal from my winning. Yeah, can I spend it? No, nowhere takes cash anymore. You go to the shop and it's all card only machines right like you try and you try and spend it in anywhere.
Speaker 2:They're like oh no, card only you very rarely do you find cash, only places and most of them are like market stalls or antique shops that still deal in cash. Yeah, but I really struggle to spend cash, really struggle. And sometimes you can order, like you order a takeaway on the app, but if you use, if you use a discount code, suddenly now you can't pay cash at the door you have to pay by card. So it's like how am I going to get rid of my cash? How am I going to spend my winnings?
Speaker 2:bank it yeah, but then you have to go to the bloody bank to do it, like I have to go into physical Norwich to do that you live in Norwich. I don't. I live on the outskirts of Norwich, but it's just annoying because I have to sit in the traffic.
Speaker 1:Norwich ain't London, it's not that big.
Speaker 2:Oh, but I have to sit in the traffic. I reckon it. No, actually no, it probably wouldn't I was than the car journey from my house to Norwich City Centre.
Speaker 1:It's about an hour and a half on the train to London. Oh, okay, so no.
Speaker 2:In rush hour when there's I was going to say in Russia. In rush hour. Temporary traffic lights on Deerham Road.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'll give you that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll give you that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but then you can use the Ring Road.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right road which is 17 000 miles around the other way of norwich to get.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just, I'm sorry I just don't have.
Speaker 2:I just no, okay, no, all right, no, okay.
Speaker 1:Cash is dying yeah, cash is done. We are becoming cashless society we are becoming cashless.
Speaker 2:I don't think there's any room for it. I hate checks. What do you know what I?
Speaker 1:just annoy me checks. I haven't had a check for years.
Speaker 2:You can now do checks from home because you can take a picture of them.
Speaker 1:You can take a picture. You can, you can.
Speaker 2:So they've got rid of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But they're saying there's no fraud with cash because it's harder to replicate, but actually people are always fiddling their books with cash because it's cash in hand the tax?
Speaker 1:yes, exactly, is cash really better, you know?
Speaker 2:for the small business I'm gonna go with no, but maybe it is because they get to avoid paying the taxes. I don't know. I don't know, I don't know enough about the subject, but all I know is from a domestic user of cash.
Speaker 1:I hate it yeah, I must admit the with with online banking and having your cards on your phone and all of that I mean, because I don't think I've taken my wallet out in years. So I do carry cash with me. Do you know how much cash?
Speaker 2:£10.
Speaker 1:I carry £1 coin.
Speaker 2:Yes for the bloody trolley. We have a little section in our joint car that has a couple of pound coins and a 20 pence piece, because 20 pence pieces are good for lockers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I've probably got one pound coin in my pocket because of when I go shopping, so I can get it in the trolley.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:I must admit, I prefer the digital.
Speaker 2:Digital banking. I really do prefer digital banking Rather than traditional banking. Yeah, love it. Yeah, do prefer digital banking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, love it, yep, uh. Should we go with navigation? Let's go with navigation, navigation. So this will be one that your mum will definitely say analog on, I mean, and I must admit, I think analog is better here analog is great when you're on foot yeah, when I'm talking analog, I'm talking a physical, physical map, compass os, os maps, and being on a river or a walkway, I completely understand. Yeah, my worry is the signal Wi-Fi. Yes, that's why I think analogue is better.
Speaker 2:But in the digital age of using Google Maps, apple Maps, other map services also available is that you not only have the map, you also have real-time traffic data Map. Can't give that to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, so actually we're looking at this from two different angles.
Speaker 2:We are.
Speaker 1:You're looking at it from driving just the normal average every day Domestic use, domestic use, whereas I'm coming at it more of a, not in the mountains, but out in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, coming at it more of a in a, not in the mountains but out in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's where I couldn't agree more like analog is definitely better and I think there's place in this world still for both. Yeah, oh, yeah, absolutely yeah, as a walking, as a pedestrian. Yes, analog is so much better now I must admit.
Speaker 1:So there is something that your mum's got, which is satellite oh yeah, she's got a funky gps yeah and I think, think because of when she's used that, like in Snow Whitehead, since she can't see literally the hand in front of her face, but she uses that to navigate, to pinpoint her exact location. I think that's probably saved her life a couple of times.
Speaker 2:Well, to be honest, yes, and also again, like we said, with the security systems, using it two in tandem. It's having that backup again. Exactly so there's definitely a place in the world for analogue backup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:And I actually think because, what was interesting, your mum actually went on a map reading course not that long ago. She knows how to read maps, yeah, she knows what she's doing, but she went on a map reading course and she's you know, she really enjoyed that and it got me thinking. I think people should we are, we are losing a lot of our knowledge in these areas because of the digital aspect of it and um, and I think there should be people should learn, relearn these skills again I know we're talking about navigation yeah very specifically here, but there's an argument here for kind of knowledge being lost books versus, say, like e-books, like Kindles.
Speaker 1:Oh, 100% yeah.
Speaker 2:So you've got books that are thousands upon thousands of years old that have, you know, ancient things in them. That has helped us kind of identify things today or learn about our history.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I've got an argument for the Kindle and from a personal perspective, that I can enlarge that font really nicely, I can put the colors behind it, I can change the font if I want to, and most of those, uh, physical copies are also on digital in the digital world. They've been adapted and moved on to digital platforms, even if it's in just a very crude kind of copied format. Yeah, and that's again, I think, where that comes in is there's a world where analog and digital work really well together.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think so yeah, yeah, I do agree, I do agree, and I think that that works, for that works for navigation, maps and and any any book, physical media. So we're going to finish this episode on, uh, document storage. Yeah, let's do that one as the last one. Analog versus digital.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I did just notice, actually, that some of the other ones that I've done are very similar to ones we've already spoken about. Yes, so although I said there was 25, there's probably only 20.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So should we finish on document storage 19 actually because we missed one in the middle there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Unless you want to do lighting as well, we can do document storage and lighting. Yeah, let's do document. Yeah, let's do, let's do document storage first then, um, so, yeah, analog, you've got like filing cabinets, paper records, etc. Etc. Funny thing about paper records gdpr nightmare. Nightmare if you work in any office administration role, whether you're in the housing market, if you are sorry, if you're in the housing industry, publishing industry, anything where you keep any physical data of clients. Oh my god, you can only keep them for seven years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've got to burn the buggers yeah, let's leave a top secret document on the train yeah, let's leave documents in warehouses that can be easily accessed, and that's not a gdpr nightmare.
Speaker 2:This one.
Speaker 1:This one for me is I mean, don't get me wrong, if you've got a physical copy, it can't be hacked very true. Physical copy sometimes very true but it can be misplaced and burned, it can be lost and lost exactly so I'm very much in the camp of digital on document storage. But just from a gdpr perspective, from digital camp wins yep. However, however, I do think that the one thing there again, there is that risk.
Speaker 1:There's just that risk that it could be hacked, it could be stolen, it could be lost, but there's risk, but I think the risk, the digital risk risk is less than the risk of the physical copy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and sort of the accountability side of the digital risk actually falls on someone else rather than you.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:You as the user storing that information, you're actually relying on the security system that's got that in place and, as long as you're using that correctly, it's actually not your fault, and I know that sounds like a bit of a mislead of pinning the blame on someone else, but actually that's why those security systems are in place.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh, my husband's going to kill me for saying that, but it's true. It's as good as the security system, and if someone is using that correctly, then there shouldn't be a problem.
Speaker 1:No, but it's not just document storage. Going back to what we were saying before about, even like the MP3 files of music, you've got your physical copy and you've got your digital copy. Thinking about it now, your actual digital copy, you can copy that many, many and you've always got a backup, whereas if you've only got one CD or one tape, once it's gone it's gone One bit of paper.
Speaker 2:You can photocopy it, but then that's another bit of paper.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, and then you've got to store that as well, probably with the original one, and they're both together.
Speaker 1:But yeah, no, I definitely think I'm definitely in the digital camp with this one, with the kind of document storage and also it's less space. Less space, less space you don't have to have massive filing cabinets or boxes full of paper Highly flammable paper. That's something else If you're going through a filing cabinet looking for something and it's not there.
Speaker 2:Oh, someone's filed it wrong, Whereas on the digital one you can literally search. You can even search things in the document and it will probably come up. Exactly, it is yeah, let's finish on lighting. So finish on lighting lighting analog lighting is your candle height. This is a funny one, yeah, yeah, so I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, candle light is your analog yeah flame fire yeah physical thing digital is more led lights led smart lights um. So again, I think the mood of a candle is's like do you know what your mum's got right? Oh, the other days? Oh, I've got to tell you this. So right, your mum um, managed to burn garlic bread the other night oh, okay right, proper, proper burn.
Speaker 1:To be fair to her, I must admit it was a bit weird, because she literally took it out the oven and it looked like it hadn't cooked at all. Then she put it in and all I heard was smoke, alarm, and she's then saying it's gonna go off, and then she's waving, she's fanning she's fanning.
Speaker 1:And then no, it does go off. And I came downstairs and I even I was like how did it go from that to like literally as though it's come out the depths of hell in the space of two minutes, and it just completely got burned. But anyway, the house stunk of burnt garlic bread. I mean absolutely weak. So what did your mum say? That's okay, I'll light a candle. So she lit a candle and I'm sitting there. What's that bloody noise? And it was one of those crackling candles.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, Shish, shish, shish.
Speaker 1:You know, it smelled lovely.
Speaker 2:It was like apple or some shit, but I mean, Very much a very good compliment of the garlic, I feel. Yeah but they're not going to. What the hell is that? Yeah, I love a candle, me. I think it has the smelliness qualities. Yeah, I love a candle. I love an incense stick as well. I think they're really nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I do use lights in my house and I'm one of these lazy people and we've got smart lights that you just go hey light device. I can't say it because I don't want. If someone's listening to this out loud in their home, I don't know like activate oh, yeah, yeah hey device put on the lounge lights and it does really yeah, the reason we have we are lazy in this respect is because every single light that we have like this is lamp, because we don't use big lights.
Speaker 2:No one uses big lights anymore. All the lamps around our things are all hidden behind items of furniture that you can't readily access.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So I use my voice to activate them or the app on my phone, because otherwise it would involve us moving furniture to physically access the plug that they're plugged into. That is me justifying my laziness. Um, I could put the lamps elsewhere, but they are nice where they are. Um, so, yeah, I like both. Candlelight is, again, good when there's a power outage very rare for us, we don't really get many power outs, but they are handy to have about. They smell nice. I love candle shopping with a friend, ella, if she's listening to this podcast, I I know she does, she's an avid listener.
Speaker 2:We go candle shopping a lot. I love that, but obviously, yeah, in my house to actually light. My house is digital.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I think candles do look nice and I love the way they look, the shadows they cast, all of that, but also from a safety aspect.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I forgot Fire. I do forget the fire aspect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a safety aspect to candles as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 1:I mean not so much. I mean when you've got the Yankee candle things and you've got them in the big old glass things, but it's when you've got the taller candles surrounded with the flamage and that and that Flamid. Yeah, there's a safety aspect, and I'm the sort of person as well who'd probably just walk up to bed and just forget the candle was even on. Oh yeah, go on, candle on. Candle was lit.
Speaker 2:Candle was on.
Speaker 1:Turn it on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's obviously a safety aspect to it, but I've definitely gone to bed with a candle on and nothing's happened. That that's luck it. Well, no, it's not luck, because they're designed to not. I can set fire to things, that's what you know. Unless you've got a really shit candle like they're not designed for that, yeah, I would.
Speaker 1:Um, I think there's there's room for both again I think um depend on the depend on the mood you're looking for yeah, um in the bath, definitely candles what floating in the bath?
Speaker 2:we're not floating in the bath, no, like on the side, but, yeah, safety element, I think. In conclusion of this whole episode is that actually what we've discovered is that while I was firmly kind of on the digital train initially, I'm actually starting to realize that analogues are just good backups and it's nice to have the yeah option of having both.
Speaker 1:I think they complement each other complement each other they complement each other.
Speaker 2:They complement each other. They complement each other. We came into this thinking, oh yeah, analogue versus digital, but actually we've concluded that there's space for both.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:There isn't one or the other. There is no fight. This is not a debate.
Speaker 1:Much like everything in life harmony between the two, Between the two.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:If you've enjoyed this episode and missed the first part of this episode, it might sound a bit confusing, so I would watch that one probably first, even though I'm saying this at the end of the podcast makes no sense to anyone oh my god and I think that's just cue the outro. Thanks for joining us on bonus dad, bonus daughter. Don't forget to follow us on all our socials and share the podcast with someone who'd love it. We are available on all streaming platforms. See you next time. Bye-bye, we'll see you next time.