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Unraveling Dreams: Celebrity Encounters, Nighttime Adventures, and Mystical Theories
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Ever had a dream where Taylor Swift throws an intimate concert just for you and your closest friends? Join us as we navigate the whimsical landscape of our subconscious, complete with surprise celebrity cameos and surreal adventures. Hannah and I swap stories of our Instagram song battles, reminiscing about the tracks that scored our past episodes and fueled our friendly rivalry. The laughter doesn’t stop there as we unravel bizarre dreams featuring a mischievous chicken and a little blonde boy, leaving us scratching our heads and questioning the curious mashup of our imaginations.
As the dreamscape deepens, so does our exploration of theories that could explain these fantastical night visions. We dig up childhood memories of haunted houses and faceless men, connecting dots between our personal interests and the dreams they might inspire. From Carl Jung's collective unconscious to the idea of dreams as potential crystal balls predicting future events, our conversation dances between psychological musings and the wild possibilities of what our minds might be telling us. It's a journey through nightmares, desires, and perhaps even glimpses of alternate realities.
The rabbit hole widens when we ponder déjà vu and the beguiling idea of parallel universes. Is déjà vu just repetitive behavior, or are our lives following a script already written somewhere else? We toy with the notion that lucid dreaming could be a portal to intersecting dimensions, a way to meet other versions of ourselves. Adding a touch of intrigue, we discuss the possibility of a secretive industry mining our dreams for data. With the advancement of AI throwing in a new layer of complexity, our conversation hints at both wonder and caution as we consider the mysteries and consequences of our dreaming minds.
Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me, davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world, Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades, or you could choose one by contacting us via email, instagram, facebook or TikTok Links in bio.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter, where we continue our discussion on dreams, dreams, dreams, dreams. So dream a little dream for me what I was just thinking of. Loads of dreams, because we've got so many songs that we could use to promote this podcast. We've got Dreams by fleetwood mac.
Speaker 1:We've got uh, no, no, don't, because because don't say any more. Don't say any more because it'll influence our decisions. Because what? What we tend to do is that on our instagram stories, to advertise each of the, each of the episodes myself and hannah hannah runs the bDBD Instagram account Loosely.
Speaker 2:Sometimes I forget yeah.
Speaker 1:And I. Then, obviously, I do the same story on our account, on my personal account, and we have a little bit of a competition to see who comes up with the best song.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I liked my one on stereotypes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you aced that, I have to admit Living in the bucks. Yeah, that was good. I can't remember what I put now.
Speaker 1:Oh, you did steal my sunshine by length. I don't quite know why.
Speaker 2:Because I don't want anyone to steal anyone's thunder.
Speaker 1:Oh, is that why you were going with that?
Speaker 2:It's going down the positive route.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, okay, yeah, anyway, I generally win All right.
Speaker 2:It's not true.
Speaker 1:No, it's not. Actually, you do come up with some real good corkers Sometimes.
Speaker 2:Stereotypes is hard. Stereotypes is hard. Yeah, there's a lot of songs out there and I was like, hmm, yeah.
Speaker 1:I started writing in stereo into Spotify and just stereophonics came up.
Speaker 2:Same thing happened to me. I was like ah yeah anyway, dreams, yeah, um. So we finished our discussion on dreams about um sort of common dreams that people have and before davey goes on to a conspiracy theory, um rant, um, we kind of said off air that I was gonna share a particular crazy dream that I had, fairly recently, not not the one about the chicken again not one about the chicken.
Speaker 2:Again, that I mean that was pretty crazy, that was pretty crazy, but this is, uh, this is not as crazy, I don't think. Just going back to that, sorry I'm just yeah, sorry this is.
Speaker 1:You might have to listen to the other podcast episode yeah, this one is absolutely fascinating me, this one, um so the little lad yeah so did. Did he have a face? Did you know him, did he? It's like a little blonde boy, like nothing. You knew him in the dream, but he didn't relate to anybody that you know in real life. Correct, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, that's weird, isn't it?
Speaker 1:What so he's a little blonde boy, yeah, yeah, okay, what was his hair like?
Speaker 2:What sort of style? Well, the little boy haircut like the bowl kind of haircut. Okay okay. That little boys have.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Just generic small boy.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah, why? I'm just intrigued by this dream and the chicken.
Speaker 2:We're not going back to this chicken. Okay, it was a white chicken, If you want to know. It was a white chicken with all the red bits that they had, the beak and everything Still alive. And it was still alive and it was like Still fully feathered. Yeah, it was pecking away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:At the carpet specifically, if you want to know that as well. Very weird. Anyway. Another dream that I had was I was at a very intimate Taylor Swift concert with my mum and my friend Ella and I'm not a Taylor Swift swift fan, but my friend ella is so I must have just gone along with her, for, for whatever reason, I'm sure she's great live.
Speaker 2:She's just not my cup of tea yeah you know um you're not a swifty I'm not a swifty, but yeah, we we watched taylor swift and it was a very intimate gig. It was almost like norwich royal theater, but I'm talking playhouse, not oh okay, not the royal, not the royal um, very small venue, very intimate, and in one moment we were like a cinema, where you're in rows like you normally are, but then it also sort of backtracked to being in a situation where we were on round tables, so my mind was flitting about in terms of how the seating okay yeah so taylor Swift had done the gig and mum being mum, was like oh, I'll go up to her and ask if she'll come over and talk to us.
Speaker 1:Are you sure that wasn't real life?
Speaker 2:Because your mum does that she would do that, and she did do that in my dream.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She was lovely. I took the pictures of Ella and her her, because I'm not massive Swifty and Taylor even said to me, would you like a picture as well? And I was like actually I'm okay, you blew her off, you shook her off, but she was fine with that. She was okay with that. She was like cool. I was like no, you're a busy lady, you do your thing. Thank you for coming over. You're gone, yeah, pretty much yeah. And then my mind flit because this is a famous, not particularly interested in, but it was cool meeting her. I turned round and there's a table and it holds. I've got to try and remember this now. Lewis Hamilton Right Race car driver.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Lando Norris, another race car driver. And then it was Marcus Rashford, who is an English footballer. He's a footballer isn't he? Yeah, english footballer, oh a footballer.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's the one that.
Speaker 1:uh, he, he's the one that don't like, uh help children, uh feed children in in the pandemic.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, um did a lot of charity work another footballer called tripier, and then there was someone else and I can't remember does he fall over a lot? Very good, very good there's one called hazard, as I was like, oh, is he always doing a hazard? Um, yeah, anyway, um yeah. So there's always people and like le Lewis Hamilton shook my hand and was like, yes, shook his hand and everything. Lando Norris ruffled my hair Things that these people would probably do right Ruffled your hair.
Speaker 2:Ruffled my hair. Yeah, it's a very Lando Norris thing, if you know Lando Norris.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only Lando I know is Calrissian. The only land I want to know is Calrissian.
Speaker 2:So Right, and then I turn again, and it's Michael Keaton.
Speaker 1:Now, as in Jack Frost and Batman.
Speaker 2:Jack Frost, batman, beetlejuice. Michael Keaton right, I had not, I know Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice has now come out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But this was pre-Beetlejuice Beetlejuice. I had not thought of that man since the previous Christmas when I watched Jack Frost. Right, he appears in my dream, I think the world of him and I'm like I loved you in Jack Frost.
Speaker 1:It's like jog on Taylor. I'm talking to Michael, michael Keaton.
Speaker 2:I was way more interested in him. Yeah, I was like, yeah, I love Jack Frost, it's like my favourite Christmas movie, you were really good in it. And he was like, oh, you know, thanks, you know being very, very polite and all that jazz. Anyway, cut to past my dream. I've woken up, I've told this dream, I've done a voice note to my friend talking about this crazy dream that I've just had, including you guys, I think. I've voice noted the same thing and then blow me like literally two days afterwards that episode, michael keaton I it blew my mind.
Speaker 2:It's a coincidence, of course, but I dreamt about michael keaton and then he just happened to be in the episode of umbrella academy that I was watching. I lost my shit. I thought I was, I was a fortune teller, I could tell the future. I'm like so I, you know, I really hope this happens. But yeah, just such a weird dream, meeting loads of famous people and shaking their hand, and that's how I would imagine that interaction to go. They were all so nice and lovely and no one was horrible. And yeah, like um, I remember marcus rash was really smelling, really nice but in your dream that you, that yeah I remember he I think he gave me a hug and I was like, oh, he smells nice.
Speaker 2:It was just really weird like yeah, no, no, I don't mean an attractive way, I just meant he just had a really nice aftershave on. Yeah, yeah sure, mitchell didn't fart, no unless his farts smell like dolce and gabbana, I don't know. Um, but yeah, um, yeah, um. So yeah, that was my crazy dream that I wanted to share with the world. Yeah, but yeah, I have some weird dreams in that. I wanted to share with the world. But, yeah, I have some weird dreams. In the last episode I did share the chicken.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Dreams are odd though, aren't they?
Speaker 2:I hope mum doesn't mind me telling this story. I remember she dreamt once that one of your friends was playing on her drum kit with sausages. Do you remember this? Yeah, and she was very concerned that the oil of the sausages would ruin the skins of the drum.
Speaker 1:That's right, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I just want to know were they cooked.
Speaker 1:Were, they frozen.
Speaker 2:Or frozen. Yeah, because frozen would make more sense, because they're easier to bat. But yeah, see, that's a weird dream.
Speaker 1:What sort of noise sausages on a drum kit would make. I tell you the other day, actually, when we floppy, like flop. Yeah, well, when we recorded our last ep, there's a certain drum noise in there and that is a lawnmower bucket. That's joe hitting a lawnmower bucket to get a certain sound and then we played around with it or say, like we didn't, tom did played around with the settings. Yeah, I want joe next time we record. Mate, bring some sausages. Let's give this a go, give it a go, yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway, yeah, would you like to take over on your?
Speaker 1:run about dreams. Yeah, no. Well, when I read through the kind of I was going to say the script again, like script, the bullet points I wrote, like we have a script, the bullet points that you wrote and you put, you know, you started off with a few brief facts, obscure facts, key studies, and then some of the meaning behind dreams, and so I thought, well, you've done a lot of this really good stuff. But there's also another side to dreams as well. You haven't done enough. But you haven't done enough, hannah. But I thought I'd come in with the angle of not conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theories is a Guys, it is conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2:He's trying to dumb it down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, more of like the wacky side of dreams and the wacky theories behind why we have dreams Go on. So Hannah's was so Dreams. Episode 1 was very scientific and Well, I tried yeah, tried yeah and I'm going completely supernatural and going completely off on a tangent on this one. It's conspiracy theories. It's conspiracy theories, yeah, yeah, surrounding about dreams, their origins, meanings and the implications. The first one is it did make me laugh when I looked this one up One of the theories behind why we have dreams is government mind control.
Speaker 2:This explains your American cop dream? Not really.
Speaker 1:No, I'll let you carry on that kind of comes into the past life one. I think the theory that we're dreaming about past lives and different lives Come on, tom. The theory is is that governments use technology to infiltrate and manipulate people's dreams for control or surveillance purposes. Just think about that for a second black mirror thing, isn't it? That is absolutely insane. That that's that is actually a theory, can you?
Speaker 2:imagine that the, the fbi agent assigned to me, right and and. He's like this this lass is dreaming about, like small children and chickens. He put the chicken in there.
Speaker 1:Do you think it was him? I think he did. I think he did Just to throw me off. Yeah, mad, yeah, chad, I think is Chad.
Speaker 2:Chad. He's definitely a John.
Speaker 1:Well, you said FBI, so I went kind of like American Chad.
Speaker 2:I still think people in America are called John.
Speaker 1:I've got a really funny joke actually about Chad for the Christmas episode.
Speaker 2:We'll save that for the Christmas episode tune in to the Christmas episode for a joke about Chad.
Speaker 1:Next week, next week so yeah, advanced mind control techniques. So what do you reckon? Do you think that's a possibility, Hannah?
Speaker 2:No, no, I don't Absolutely not.
Speaker 1:I think someone's just pulled that one out of their ass.
Speaker 2:to be honest, If someone was reviewing my dreams, they would definitely say I need therapy. Oh, 100%.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not saying your dreams, I just think everybody's dreams, everyone's dreams. You would say yeah.
Speaker 2:This lass needs therapy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, I've seen the second point and I'm just going to let you go. Alien abduction.
Speaker 1:What the hell? Because aliens.
Speaker 2:I can't even get through this one. This is so ridiculous that you can't even get through it. Would you like me to take over Alien abduction? A common theme in alien abduction stories is that extraterrestrials communicate with or abduct animals during abduct humans, sorry, during their dreams. This theory posits that aliens use dream states to interact with humans, perform experiments or impart knowledge without leaving physical evidence. Probing time it's probing time they're probing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, what is it about?
Speaker 2:If aliens base what they see in our dreams as thinking that really happens? Am I chicken dream?
Speaker 1:I know, I know, oh, dear God.
Speaker 2:I have never met Michael Keaton, lewis Hamilton, marcus Rashford, lando Norris Trippierre.
Speaker 1:I mean the dream I had when I was a lad, where I was being chased through the streets, and the dream within the dream and waking up.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I mean that could be aliens, that could have been aliens maybe it was an alien crashing, maybe it was the faceless man was an alien maybe it was that was actually just going back to that one, that particular dream.
Speaker 1:Right, he was completely faceless, yeah, I mean, as in like a morph suit. Do you know? Do you know what? So periodically? I do remember that dream. I mean, we're talking, I'm nearly 50, right, and I was like 12, 13, 14 when I had that dream. So it was a number. I'm trying to do maths now what? 36?
Speaker 2:years ago. You saying nearly 50 has just hit me in the feels.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that was what 36 years ago, and I still remember that dream. But I can still vividly remember what this guy looked like. And do you know what he looked like? He looked like Rorschach. So, bear in mind, I hadn't read Watchmen. Read Watchmen. Yeah, he looked like Rorschach, but he didn't have the Rorschach mask. Yeah, it was just a white face.
Speaker 2:Oh, white face, not black face, no, just white face, okay, but with the hat and the yeah See in my head I was picturing when you told me that story about a man all in black as in like morph suit black no, no, no, no, it was a long trilby I don't mean a black race, I meant like someone, like a shadow creature. Yeah, yeah, I'm sort of all in black, but you're you're saying all in white.
Speaker 1:Yeah, interesting I did used to have a recurring dream where I was trapped in a haunted house.
Speaker 2:You're quite into your horror though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know I did used to watch a lot of horror when I was a kid as well, maybe it was like Portal Ghost, but coming out.
Speaker 1:And I was trapped in a haunted house and at the end of the dream I always remember it was, we'd escape the house and I'd be in a black cab, the back of the, you know like a. It wouldn't be a cab, but it's a black style cab car, yeah, and I'd be looking out at the window and all the ghosts and everything were at the windows of the house because they couldn't leave, Like a Mr House yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, I had. That was a recurring nightmare that I used to have as a kid me trying to get out of this house that's exciting, but then but I was too young to drive, so I was still a child. So I'd just been rescued and I was in the back seat looking out and could see them all at the window. Every single window had a ghost in it just staring at me. That's awful. Yeah, it's terrifying. I had a lot of zombie dreams as well, but I love zombie dreams.
Speaker 2:I imagine you did yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, zombie dreams are good, Like proper apocalypse style I've had a few zombie dreams.
Speaker 2:actually, when I think about it, Anyway, moving on.
Speaker 1:So yeah, aliens number two. Number three the collective unconscious. And this is actually a psychological theory.
Speaker 2:Carl Jung. Carl Jung, I've met him before, well, not met him in person, met him Bloody hell. No, not met him in person. I wish I could. I can't remember what I come across him for.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Might be child psychology, can't remember.
Speaker 1:Carry on. His theory of the collective unconscious has been taken by some people that there is a deeper connection amongst all human beings through shared archetypes and symbols and dreams And-. This theory is that this shared unconsciousness is manipulated by unseen forces to control human behavior on a large scale. Right, so that's quite an out there theory.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:This kind of collective unconscious kind of theory. But there's actually Carl Jung who came up with this.
Speaker 2:Yeah so Carl Jung I just had a quick Google he was actually a psychoanalyst. Yeah, so he was kind of like Freud's, I guess. Freud J yeah, yeah he worked with After him, sort of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he worked with Freud quite, I think, Didn't he?
Speaker 2:Carl Jung, yeah, I think. Well, I just read that he kind of did. Yeah, he was kind of like an heir, an heir to Freud's kind of theories, if you will. Yeah, his practice is in psychotherapy, psychoanalysts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, Anyway. So yeah, then there's the theory that dreams are predictive, and that is you've mentioned this actually in the previous episode the future, that they predict the future. You actually said yourself am I a fortune teller?
Speaker 2:Am I a fortune teller?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, you know, do we have that human psychic ability to see future events?
Speaker 2:I think maybe the fact that some of my dreams are so vivid that they could happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Not that they will, but they're in the realms of reality that they could. There is all likely chance that a small neighbourhood boy could break into my house and draw on the walls Maybe not the chicken or the stick or the lack of furniture in the house, Fair enough, but that is a possibility that could happen, I guess. So yeah, I mean I really do hope I get to meet Michael Keaton.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, there is the theory of deja vu as well, isn't there?
Speaker 2:I've been getting really bad deja vu recently.
Speaker 1:Rachel had it the other night, didn't she, rachel had it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that is really quite. I find deja vu quite spooky. Like it's either that or we are, as humans, quite repetitive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I mean, when I've experienced deja vu, it's a really weird feeling because you can't explain it. No, I've been here before.
Speaker 2:I've seen this before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but also as it's happening, you're remembering it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But then with me, like when it's happened to me, it's just snippets and something will happen. I'll go, well, I've done, and then by that time it's over with.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, like I can't predict the next move. Yeah, and that really annoys me for some reason. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's bizarre. It's bizarre, yeah, so do you. I mean, what do you think? Predictive dreams do you think that might be a thing? What do you?
Speaker 2:think no. I think we as humans, we're quite repetitive in nature, yeah, and therefore our dreams can sometimes, I guess, are decisions as well. So it's likely the outcome of the dream is a likely outcome of something that will happen in your life as well. I think it's just coincidence, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Next one is the lucid dreaming as a gateway theory.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:So some people think that lucid dreaming, which you said, you can do to a degree where you control your own dreams.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It does serve as a gateway to alternate dimensions or parallel universes. Now, yeah, I'll come on to the whole Meanwhile in a parallel universe. Yeah, exactly, I'll come on to the whole multiverse theory in a little while.
Speaker 2:We're thinking of boobs makes your head float. I'm stuck on the ceiling.
Speaker 1:But the theory is that it suggests that in lucid dreams, people can access hidden knowledge, otherworldly beings or even parallel versions of themselves. Oh, Do you know what I want?
Speaker 2:this to be true. Yeah, I want to shout at the neighbor to say, oh, your son wrote on my wall that there was a chicken.
Speaker 1:This is the thing I mean. Could it be, could it be that that was actually you from a parallel universe this has happened to me as well where I've been having a dream, like the zombie apocalypse dreams that I've had, where I've gone to fight the apocalypse. Am I actually doing that in another universe? Is this me now, us doing this podcast? Is another version of me dreaming this? That you're doing the podcast, that I'm doing the podcast?
Speaker 2:And you're dreaming within a dream. You're talking about dreams in a dream. Yeah, yeah, do you see where I'm going with that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, personally, I would like this to be true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1:I really would. So all those decisions.
Speaker 2:But also the nightmares. I don't want to be true.
Speaker 1:No, no, no.
Speaker 2:God.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all these different versions of me going through hell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolute hell. I'm conflicted.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So all those little choices that we make in life, right, and then another universe pops off from that. From all those choices, infinite amounts of multiverses and universes I was going to. This is so Marvel. I know I was going to do this one at the end, but I think now is probably the right time. All these different versions of us are out there, okay, and when we sleep we're going into that other world yeah and dream and we're seeing their life yeah and that's happening the other way around as well.
Speaker 1:Gosh, how's that, for my mind blown? I feel like the other person in the parallel universe thinks this is a pretty boring dream oh dear god, yeah, yeah, when I when I had those, because I said, like the american police dream that I mentioned last time, yeah, was that me in a past life or was that me in a parallel life, parallel universe, and I'd just been killed. Maybe A version of me is now dead? Yeah, because he got shot on a stairwell.
Speaker 2:And you do have American connections. Maybe you never moved like your parents, never moved back to the UK. Yeah, you were always in America. Yeah, you would have never met my mum.
Speaker 1:I know.
Speaker 2:Ugh.
Speaker 1:Never met you and again, that's why we'll be doing the podcast In another universe. All those little choices and all those like timelines get split and go off. It is very Marvel, but also.
Speaker 2:I quite like it. It's like the what if? Yeah, what if? But in your own life, yeah, I quite like that. Dreams are what if.
Speaker 1:Mm. Yeah, oh, okay. So there's that one. There's the dream industry and that conspiracy theory that a hidden industry profits from people's dreams by using advanced technology to monitor and record them, for advertising, psychological profile or even creating shared dreams experiences. Do you know what? I think this has got some truth to it.
Speaker 2:Are you serious?
Speaker 1:Yes, not in this. No.
Speaker 2:How? No, I'm talking to you right there.
Speaker 1:No, Through psychological studies, through some of the dream studies. I bet that data within that could be used for marketing purposes.
Speaker 2:But how are they monitoring the dream itself?
Speaker 1:Well, you put somebody in a sleep study dream, right, okay, and you monitor their patterns and you monitor and then when they wake up, you get them to describe this. It's just basically using data within a dream study, okay okay. Not, for I mean this is kind of like weirder, not weirder, but you know. But I do think that data is there, isn't it so that data could be used?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I guess, but it's like. It's like Pepsi coming along and like advertising in your dream, Like stay tuned, oh yeah not imprinting.
Speaker 1:I don't think people imprinting things in dreams.
Speaker 2:Imagine like everyone, holding a can of Pepsi in your dream and you're like well, this is advertising.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, not imprinting things into your brain, but rather using dreams and using studies of dreams to collect data from a psychological profile, to then use that data to advertise and do things. That's what I think Maybe Not insertion, but rather taking that information and using that data. Maybe, yeah, I, but rather taking that information and using that data Maybe?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that makes sense. Then, of course, you've got the religious and supernatural beliefs. Angels are coming to speak to me in my dream. That's how God speaks to you. You know how the sky wizard comes and talks to you in your dreams. Imaginary friend, sorry.
Speaker 2:To be more sensitive of the subject. We know how you feel about religion, yeah, but I think I think there might be some truth in this in the sense of sometimes you hear what you want to hear and if that person believes that it's come from that source, I don't think there's any problem with that. And I do feel that, uh, I've had dreams, like I mentioned in the previous episode, that I have dreams. Once someone has passed away, they then sort of come and visit me and I'm not saying that they, that it is them, but I can't deny the fact that that has brought me comfort, yeah of course, absolutely course, absolutely 100%.
Speaker 2:You know, I can't. I remember when Great Nana passed. God, what was that like? It was quite a few years ago now Three, four years ago, five years ago, yeah. And I remember dreaming about her and in my dream and this is where the lucid dreaming thing comes in, where I feel like I control it I knew I was in a dream and we were playing Scrabble in her house, which wasn't really her house, it was another house I'd made up in my brain and she was waiting for an oven repair. I remember this quite vividly and I remember just snapping to myself and thinking I know this is a dream and I said to her I'm really sorry I didn't go and see you at the funeral home, but I just couldn't see you in that state. I want to remember you how I remember seeing you and I remember her saying to me I know I understand.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But for some reason I know she didn't say that to me, but that gave me.
Speaker 1:But she would have done.
Speaker 2:Exactly. I think that gave me the comfort that I needed, because I felt guilty that I didn't see her at the funeral home.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because I knew I couldn't do it and I couldn't see her in that state.
Speaker 1:I wouldn wouldn't have wanted you to have gone yeah, it's one of those things.
Speaker 2:I wanted to remember her as she was alive yeah, yeah and her saying that in the dream was like oh, just just. Yeah, she's not mad at me.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, I mean that, that could, that could be your own psyche.
Speaker 2:I think it's your own psyche. I wanted her to say that yeah that's your. I think that's your own internal wranglings of guilt but the thing is I can't deny the fact that that did give me comfort. You know like it's? Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1:I can't deny the fact that that did give me comfort. Of course it does.
Speaker 2:You know, like it's, I can't sit here and be like oh yeah, that was my great-nana talking to me, but I can be. Like you know what I felt a lot better for her saying that, even though it was in my dream.
Speaker 1:I mean you look at the, you know the stories in the Bible right, so you've got, I mean like Moses, and you know they use dreams a lot in the bible. Actually, yeah, it's yeah, the communication is through. A lot of that is through dreams, I mean I mean, I mean you could argue the burning bush was a dream, you know. You know even job and soul and all of all of that you know talking to god. It's you know, it's a lot of that was through dreams. You know commandments dreams. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean so it's kind of you can kind of see, I guess a state of prayer could be REM a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, if you're switching off your mind and being mindful. Sometimes, when people meditate, they often come up with scenarios and things happen. Well, I never could ever clear my mind completely. There was always something going on. But I used to imagine stuff and bring up scenarios and things in my head when I meditated and I can kind of see that would be the same for someone in a prayer-like state as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm just playing devil's advocate. No, no, no, no, absolutely right, absolutely right. Another one is the MK Ultra and Dream Manipulation Project by the CIA. Again, it's government control, but this isn't government, this is CIA.
Speaker 2:Well, aren't CIA government?
Speaker 1:Not really what does.
Speaker 2:CIA stand for.
Speaker 1:Criminal Investigation Agency Central Investigation Agency.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't at all. Central Intelligence Agency what am I thinking?
Speaker 2:I don't know, because FBI is.
Speaker 1:Federal Bureau of Investigation, yeah. Central Intelligence Agency, okay, sorry. So lots of Side quest. Yeah, they always say that CIA do mind control experiments, like the men who stare at goats and all that type of thing. So Okay, yeah. Another one is synthetic dreams that there's a theory that advanced technologies, such as those developed by corporations, elon Musk or covert government programs, can implant synthetic dreams into people's minds. These artificial dreams might be used to influence decisions, behaviours or beliefs, basically, brainwashing people. Yeah, that's, how would you do that? Would you do that, I suppose, over Wi-Fi? You'd have to do it over Wi-Fi.
Speaker 2:It would be subliminal messaging, I think, through social media, If you're dead scrolling you could quite easily make a reel that looks like a reel in there and mind control. I am really going down a rabbit hole here.
Speaker 1:I know Well, Fight Club did it, you know.
Speaker 2:What's the first rule about Fight Club?
Speaker 1:Yeah, we don't talk about in the film on purpose to try and control what you were seeing. Whoa, didn't Darren Brown do that as well? Yeah, darren Brown's done loads of psychological tricks like that, loads of ones Talking about zombies. And Darren Brown, can you remember that zombie experiment he did?
Speaker 2:I do remember that. Yeah, that was brilliant, wasn't it? The one of Darren Brown's that I never seem to erase from my memory was a woman in a room and there was a cat in a box a kitten trading his cat well, not quite. She was allowed to. Uh, she was allowed to like, um, cuddle the cat. If she wanted to, she could play with the cat. What he'd done is he kind of reduced her down to being a child, like instead of offering her tea or coffee, he offered her like juice yeah and her goal was to make it through the whole 30 minutes without pressing the button, and then he offered her like juice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and her goal was to make it through the whole 30 minutes without pressing the button, and then he told her that the button would kill the cat yeah, and before the timer ran out, she pressed the button and then she felt awful because she thought she'd killed the cat.
Speaker 1:But he would never. Oh yeah, he wouldn't kill it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah but yeah, he, he made her think and and influenced her so much he'd reduced her down to being a child and being impulsive and yeah um, that he'd managed to get her to push the button and kill a cat. Yeah, she didn't want to.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, you could, I mean, there's that. Well, was it Milton's experiment?
Speaker 2:Obedience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the obedience.
Speaker 2:Milgram.
Speaker 1:Milgram, Milgram's, yeah, Milgram's experiment, which is the obedience one. That was dark.
Speaker 2:That was dark, because his whole thing was that he wanted to see if Germans were different.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he wondered why Nazi soldiers would be following those commands. And he was so shocked by the test results of what he did in America. He never made it to Germany because he realised that everyone Germans are different. Everyone has been influenced to be obedient characters in a state of authority.
Speaker 1:Exactly that's what that was.
Speaker 2:That was a segue. I know that was a little bit of a segue.
Speaker 1:The last one. It kind of yeah. So this theory is kind of already kind of like jumping on the back of some of the other ones. It's called the dream harvesting theory.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Some conspiracy propose that dreams are harvested by unknown entities for their own benefit. These entities are getting aliens, again interdimensional beings.
Speaker 2:You look at aliens, don't you?
Speaker 1:I actually really don't. It just seems that you know just.
Speaker 2:Do you have you ever heard anything about that mal? Do you remember there was like a man in america with all that police? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah we saw a giant creature and stuff like that, everyone was yeah, I'll tell you whatever happened to that. That was very quiet, didn't?
Speaker 1:it? Yeah, it did. I'll tell you what's freaking me out a little bit at the moment is ai. It is starting to I starting to get a little bit kind of like as in as in. Just when I say freaking me out a little bit, I mean I sent you a video the other day, the Game of Thrones redneck song. Yeah, and you know, when you look at that video and you think that none of it is real, no, All you know the actors in there are all AI. Yeah, the song is AI, yeah, Everything's AI, but you're watching it going. That looks like a real person, Genuinely looks like a real person.
Speaker 2:What's scaring me is that they're now using, like AI is using, real people. I saw a video of Zendaya and I'm going to absolutely bastardize his name Timothy Chalamet.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know who I mean timothy chalamet.
Speaker 2:oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and they're like dancing in a video together, but it looks like them dancing yeah there is a little bit something off about it, but you but nothing's, nothing's that weird have you seen the margot robbie leonardo dicaprio version of that? And jennifer aniston as well. Yeah, I mean hers, as you can very clearly tell, because her body doesn't quite move in a way that a human body should the the Margot Robbie.
Speaker 1:One looks like Margot Robbie.
Speaker 2:It's mad, isn't it?
Speaker 1:So that's what worries me when I say, it's freaking me out a little bit.
Speaker 2:People in a position where they could be manipulated into looking like they're doing something that they've never done and they could lose their career or work fail. Yeah, people could hunt them down for something that they've seen Particularly vulnerable people that might not realise it's AI as well.
Speaker 1:I saw on X earlier on today. I know this episode's about.
Speaker 2:Dream, go on, give it to you.
Speaker 1:And there was, you know, the shooting that just happened in New York. The CEO, you see that and the guy walks up, pops in with a gun and just calmly walks off. Somebody on X has got another person and said we've identified that it's this person, right, and they've got a picture and it does look like that person. It's quite obvious that it's been done through AI and the guy is actually putting on. He's quite a well-known, he's gone. Please stop sharing this. It's not me.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, I could get killed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what are me?
Speaker 1:yeah, you know you could, I could get killed. Yeah, what are you doing, like?
Speaker 2:yeah, don't put me in that position.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's that's kind of where. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, uh, so that's kind of the. And the last one was the multiverse dream theory. But we've kind of I've kind of already covered that one. I was just thinking you mentioned it in the other episode. You mentioned black mirror. Have there been any black mirror dreams episodes? I suppose suppose USS Callister you could argue is a dream. No, probably not, because they kind of go into another kind of universe, don't they?
Speaker 2:They do the thing where they've got the memories in the glasses. Do you remember where it's like the couple and oh?
Speaker 1:there is one, so Goldie Horne and Kurt Russell's son. He's in playtest the episode's called playtest and he goes in and he goes into a dream is that in the house? Yeah, yes, and he's in that like a game, isn't it? That's it and he goes, he goes insane spoilers. It's been out for a while, it's been out for years, but there is that one.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So Charlie Brooker has kind of touched on that. Yeah, a little bit, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Dreams are crazy man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do like a good dream.
Speaker 2:I do like a good dream, not a huge fan of nightmares.
Speaker 1:No, God no.
Speaker 2:My nightmares have been consisting of I actually I'll share this. I'll end the podcast, okay.
Speaker 2:It's not that scary. So I was in bed the other night. I don't actually remember quite what the nightmare was, but I'd woken up. Was it before Christmas, the night before Christmas? But I'd woken up and I was just coming round to waking up and my poor little cat had obviously registered that I was waking up a little bit and whenever I do, because she comes and snuggles me in the morning as well, she knows when I'm waking up and she jumped on me in the night. Well, I scared the shit out of me because I've just come out of a dream that was scary. I was calming down, I was like I'm at home, I'm safe, and then, of course, she leapt on me and bless her on her way out. Look, she scratched my finger really badly, oh shit. And she never lashes at me yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think I scared her.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which she scared me, I scared her and we had this moment where we were like this because she scared the shit out of me.
Speaker 2:And then she, she ran off me and uh, as, she ran, she sort of, yeah, my finger in the process, but she was on me within like like 20 seconds later she got over it and I'd got over it. But if she just it was just the wrong moment to jump on me, um scared the absolute shit out of me. But another thing I was going to say was um, I always get taken in by these jump scares on uh, on reels and stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And it's always that one face isn't it. Where the eyes are really dark. The face is usually white and it just comes up and it pops out. And I got one the other day, so much so that I shrieked and Mitchell ran up the stairs because he thought something awful had happened. But yeah, I get jump scares a lot and I think those jump scares play in my dreams quite a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like jump scares a lot and I think those jump scares play in my dreams quite a lot. Yeah, Like it's always the thing that jump scares me Like. Do you remember that Momo thing that was popping up in children's?
Speaker 1:things on YouTube. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So she was in my dreams. I've actually gone cold over that. A little bit of a shiver went down my spine on some it's quite scary. Yeah, like a humanoid face that's been slightly distorted and that scares the shit out of me. That's it.
Speaker 2:It's because you're looking at something which makes sense, but there's something off about it and you can't quite put your finger on it. Comfortable, yeah, um, but yeah, they're things a feature in my nightmares, a lot that I'm either running from or, or, yeah, trying to, trying to get away from usually don't know what that says about me psychologically.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Boys with chickens, mo-mo. The grudge, oh the grudge. Used to be in my dreams a lot with the long hair and the girl out the ring.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's kind of the again the distorted human, humanoid figure.
Speaker 1:Hmm. Yeah, girl in the cupboard. Ugh yeah.
Speaker 2:Maybe our nightmares. We should watch less horror.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, but I think as well. I think with nightmares. It could be that it's releasing that fear. Yeah, it's releasing that fear. I mean, you know the anxiety and all that and the stress of everyday, day-to-day life and you know I do tend to your body needs that. Yeah, that kind of release, Because yeah, yeah, I do you bottle it up and then you're in the night.
Speaker 1:You're like dreams, my dreams, all they do seem to have like a running theme. Yeah, they do. But also I even like, when I'm having a good dream, there's like something's not right. There's something not right.
Speaker 2:You're always waiting for something bad to happen.
Speaker 1:I'm waiting for the bomb to drop Psychologically isn't it. It's like I'm always looking for, there's something. I mean even last night's dream, like I said, with the crocodiles. You know, benji was in that dream. Oh, shout out to Benji. Yeah, shout out to Benji. It was weird. It was like I was out on the water dark water and there was crocodiles around me, but they were friendly, but all the way through it was like which one isn't, which one's going to go for me?
Speaker 2:Are you saying you were Steve Irwin?
Speaker 1:No, definitely not, definitely not, no, no, but no, definitely not, definitely not, no, but yeah, there's always this dark undercurrent. It's weird.
Speaker 2:I never dream. My husband Mitchell, he's never in my dreams, ever Weird, isn't it? I never dream about him.
Speaker 1:I was just trying to think if I dream about your mum, I often don't.
Speaker 2:No, I don't, I don't think your mum is in my dreams. Weird. I don't think you are either. It's weird, isn't it? I don't think you are either. Actually, now that I think about it yeah. I can't remember a dream where you Mum is in my dreams quite a lot. Yeah, because she was at the Taylor Swift concert with Michael Keaton. That's odd. It is odd, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's weird, I'd look into that.
Speaker 2:Anyway, we hope you've enjoyed this second episode on Dreams for our Christmas episode.
Speaker 1:Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so we'll see you then. We hope you enjoyed this episode on dreams. Please share your dreams with us. That would be great if you're happy to. Dreams are weird, as you've heard throughout these two episodes.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And we love you guys. Yeah, sleep well. Sleep well. See you on Boxing Day, bye-bye, bye-bye. See you on Boxing Day, bye, bye.