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Unpacking Societal Shifts through the Decades
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Unravel the tapestry of societal evolution from the 1970s to today, and discover why yesterday's norms are no longer welcome. How did we get from bell-bottoms and disco fever to today's "woke" culture? We promise you'll gain fascinating insights into the ever-shifting attitudes toward LGBTQ+ rights, casual racism, and sexism. Join us as we reminisce about iconic fashion trends and dissect the transformation of public perceptions around smoking, gender roles, and workplace discrimination.
Witness the rise of "career women" in the 1980s and the cultural shifts spurred by radical movements like punk and new romanticism. Margaret Thatcher's era brought more than political change; it held a mirror to society's evolving gender dynamics. We'll navigate the complexities of balancing career aspirations with family life, alongside landmark legislation such as the Equal Pay Act and the Sex Discrimination Act, which paved the way for today's ongoing battle against the gender pay gap.
The technological tides of the 1980s and 90s reshaped our world forever. From the groundbreaking advent of the internet to the omnipresence of mobile devices, these advances have altered communication and social structures, sparking phenomena like cyberbullying. Meanwhile, equality laws have marched forward in tandem, from the Equality Act of 2010 to the Same-Sex Couples Marriage Act of 2013. Discover how these legal landmarks reflect a society slowly but surely embracing multiculturalism and diversity, even as challenges persist.
Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me, davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world, Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades or you could choose one by contacting us via email, instagram, facebook or TikTok links in bio.
Speaker 2:Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter. Did I just make you jump again?
Speaker 1:You did a little bit. I just kind of spun around on my chair a little bit because my headphones were a little bit loud. I don't know if I turned them up.
Speaker 2:Hello, hello. I did speak a little bit louder than usual, so today we're going to do social acceptance, because I can't pronounce it Societal, societal Social acceptance, because I can't pronounce it Societal.
Speaker 1:Societal.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Societal acceptance, acceptance within society. We may touch on some subjects today that might be controversial for some listeners, so this is a trigger warning, I guess.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so, but we'll keep it light, we'll keep it light.
Speaker 2:We keep things light, airy fairy and also we are just going to discuss it in general terms.
Speaker 1:General terms.
Speaker 2:It doesn't mean we necessarily agree with them. It just is what it is.
Speaker 1:Exactly, because what we looked at is basically what the episode is going to be about is, from the 70s up until today, about how your generation, my generation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my generation, your generation.
Speaker 1:About what was acceptable within society during each decade, which probably wouldn't wash today but also the start of how it kind of evolved into not being socially acceptable.
Speaker 2:We're going to kind of touch, I guess, a little bit on woke society. I don't necessarily like the term woke society and it's something that's associated with particularly my generation, but what we mean is we're just going to talk about what it was like for you well, in your time leading up to present day.
Speaker 1:But also, I'm not going to be talking from any kind of personal experience. This is going to be just kind of general society feelings and general society thoughts. I mean even the term woke society. So I mean when. The term woke society, so I mean when, when the term woke first came out, it was a positive thing oh, absolutely, it was like people were waking up.
Speaker 1:People were realizing seeing what they need to be kind to each other, yeah what was behind the veil, behind the thing, but it's now gone the other way and turned into almost like a negative yeah, oh, it's so far left.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's so far left, yeah so far left.
Speaker 1:You know you're almost coming back around to the right you know it's that, and I think there is some legitimate argument yeah as well. But I do think you know I mentioned before the whole cancel culture.
Speaker 2:I just, I just don't understand how you can cancel someone but anyway, yeah, we're not gonna talk about the, the personal experience, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:But if we go, kind of like back to so looking at the 70s.
Speaker 2:So looking at the 70s, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 1:Peace, man, peace and I kind of like just googled a few kind of points and like, for instance, social attitudes. Let's take social attitudes. So within the 1970s it was, the society was deemed to be more conservative compared to today. I'd agree with that, yeah interestingly, homosexuality had only been partially decriminalised in 1967. Partially, partially. It was a crime to be homosexual.
Speaker 2:I mean which just would not fly today. Even now I'm laughing, but as in in the sense of the whole idea, I'm laughing at the ridiculousness yeah, exactly, and you know the, the community, the, the lgbtq community, which wasn't called the lgbtq community at that point plus sorry community it was it.
Speaker 1:There was a hell of a lot of prejudice against that community.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:You know it was. It was awful for them. Yeah, absolutely awful, I mean. But even like the, in the 70s as well, there was a lot of casual racism. There was a lot of casual sexism as well, and that was poor, casual, exactly, and that was casual, exactly, it's just. And even that whole term itself it's like, oh, it's just casual.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it doesn't mean anything, but it actually does.
Speaker 1:I mean even even mainstream media, even you know the TV shows that were on at the time in the seventies, things like love thy neighbor, which you couldn't watch. That now, no, there was. You couldn't watch that now, no, um, there was. There was another program called mind your language and that was just like. I know we've got an episode on stereotypes coming on, but that was just like the absolute stereotypical trope of people from around the world all learning english and it was like the. You know the stereotypical italian, the stereotypical, asian, stereotypical, you know this person from this group, this, this ethnic minority, and it was awful, it was absolutely awful. So there was that kind of and that's what it was like in the 70s. It was accepted, but wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Absolutely wrong. I mean, even other things that were accepted in the 70s as well was like the even like fashion and culture and the way things were. I mean I know we've had an episode on clothing fashion. We do come on up and we also got one on the musical sub-genres and we mentioned like bell-bottoms, platform shoes, discos, attires, that was all kind of Bell-bottom jeans, jeans, boots with a fur yeah, socially acceptable. Now, one thing that was acceptable in the 70s and even in the 80s and it's only been was public smoking.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You could smoke anywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, restaurants, yeah Pubs yeah, pubs smell different now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they do. They smell like farts.
Speaker 2:They do smell like farts.
Speaker 1:They smell like farts.
Speaker 2:The smoke kind of helped to cover up that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, masked yeah.
Speaker 2:Cover farty smell and BO fart and BO.
Speaker 1:But you know, you think about you know. I remember I mean I was a little bit older and we were talking 90s, but you used to smoke in nightclubs.
Speaker 2:I mean see, that's mad to me. Yeah, I know, I've never smoked in a nightclub, in a. I don't think I've ever smoked in a venue. Yeah, I don't think I've ever smoked in anywhere yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, clubs like venues, things. It was acceptable. It was acceptable and it was pretty much unregulated Wow yeah.
Speaker 2:See, that's the scary part, is the unregulated part.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just do what you like Do what you like, do what you like, actually, looking at the next one, it's. The next one is entertainment, and I've already mentioned those exact programs.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Love Thy Neighbor and mind your language. It's almost like you wrote this episode and I forgot what you wrote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it says here television and radio often feature content that would be considered inappropriate or offensive today. Absolutely, it was.
Speaker 2:Do you know? What's interesting to me is that in the 1970s the Equal Pay Act came into fruition. It did in 1970.
Speaker 1:However.
Speaker 2:I actually wouldn't say that's been enacted until maybe in recent times. If I can be so bold as to say that as a woman, I feel should be paid the same amount of money as someone else in the same role as me. Yeah, yeah, I mean this has become definitely something that's come into media a lot more. Like you know, it's got a bit more media attention. Yeah, more modernly, I would say. But it's funny to me that that came out in the 1970s and they didn't really do anything about it until recently. Yeah, yeah, well, maybe they were doing things about it, but maybe it took that long. Uh, what so? 1970?
Speaker 1:we're talking like 50 years now yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it came out, yeah, I know I know it's taken 50 years women, but we've done it. We've got there ish, but there was also in 1975 there was the sex discrimination act came out and that uh made it unlawful to discriminate on the basis of sex or marital status yes yeah, as it yeah, what, what, what?
Speaker 2:how being married would affect or not being married would affect how well you do a job. I know, because you don't have a husband to tell you what to do. What's the thought process behind that?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, could you argue that back in the 70s it was deemed that the wife was seen to be the one who should be at home?
Speaker 2:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1:And that's why, yeah, probably seen to be the one who should be at home. Yeah, probably. And that's why, yeah, probably, yeah. Or the fact if you're married, because, remember, although you had children out of wedlock, it was a thing, yeah, but society didn't like it no, because you know, and you were deemed, if you were married, you were more likely to be a mother. Therefore, you would probably be off because you were pregnant and you're going to have a child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you're discriminated in that form.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:But on the flip side of it as well, from a male perspective. Okay, we're talking about having a family, you know, I also think that the dad should have some time with the child as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think even nowadays paternity leave is like something crazy, like two weeks.
Speaker 1:You get a couple of hours off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean and the afternoon off. See, that's not right. That needs to change, doesn't? It Like that's just, it's just so.
Speaker 1:Don't get me wrong, Absolutely don't get me wrong, because you know the female obviously goes through.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm not disputing that. Absolutely, I'm not disputing that goes through. Oh, I'm not just. You know, absolutely I'm not disputing that. But because the female goes through so much, I feel like the dad also needs to be supportive exactly, longer, exactly so yeah, I don't, you know, I don't disagree with women having longer.
Speaker 1:I just mean, that men should have also longer yeah, they should have spent, like you, to support their new family or support their new child yeah, and to help out yeah, but not just to help out, be a dad Be a dad? Yeah, because you know there's nothing worse than not being able to be there for your child.
Speaker 2:I love how we're already thinking about how that needs to change in this world and we're still in the 1970s.
Speaker 1:We're still in the 1970s. Yeah, absolutely 1970s. Yeah, absolutely so yeah, 70s was. There was a lot of things that were socially acceptable in the 70s. Yeah, oh, we've come a long way. We have. We've got still a way to go, but we've come a long way.
Speaker 2:Way to go, but come a long way.
Speaker 1:Come a long way. So moving on to the 80s, let's go. We saw actually the rise of neoliberalism under Margaret Thatcher.
Speaker 2:Wasn't she like Milkgate yeah?
Speaker 1:I'm not messing up my history. There am I. I was Milk Monitor at school, Did you know?
Speaker 2:that Were you I was. That's so cute. Yeah, I was. Milk Monitor, that is cute that you ended up in a security-based role.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That you were a Milk Monitor. You were like the American-style hall monitor and that's why you ended up. Do you think it's because you were a milk monitor? That's why how you are today no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:I think yeah. It's a real shame, because margaret thatcher took our milk away from us it's margaret thatcher's fault she took away our milk poor maggie yeah, the iron lady, very, very polarising person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I hear. Very, very polarising person A little before my time, but so I hear.
Speaker 1:I was still too young to be involved in the whole politics of that, I think so yeah, I mean you were 1980s. I mean, you were 5 to I was 5,. Yeah, 5 to 15.
Speaker 2:15, yeah Maths is maths-ing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so 15, yeah, maths is maths-ing, yeah, yeah. So I guess not old enough to appreciate the political landscape of the UK at that time Exactly, and there was a lot of, you know, she brought in a lot of economic policies as well about privatisation.
Speaker 2:Was she the main, like Prime Minister of the 1980s? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay, I understand.
Speaker 1:I'd say, I would argue she's's one of the most influential prime ministers we've ever had.
Speaker 2:Oh wow, you know whether that be a good thing or a bad thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know she was very influential. I know that when she died this is just a random fact that I know when there's a royal death in the UK they do something special with, like Big Ben and they do some things, and they've done the same for her and Winston Churchill. That's right they actually scrapped kind of royal protocols normally only for royals but they also honoured their deaths in a similar way because they felt that they were of that status which is kind of cool, but interesting enough.
Speaker 1:so, bearing in mind that the Equal Pay Act came in 1970 and the Sex Discrimination Act came in 1975, it wasn't until the 80s that we actually started to see women entering the workforce in bigger numbers.
Speaker 2:Come on, ladies, let's go.
Speaker 1:So, but there was still significant issues with discrimination and the gender pay gap.
Speaker 2:I think if, like, if you've got say I'm going to take doctors as an example. Yeah, if you've got a female nurse and a male nurse doing the exact same job. They should be paid the same. Of course they should, same as a female doctor should be paid the exact same pay as a male doctor, providing that their qualifications.
Speaker 1:There you go, yeah yeah. Skill set and qualifications their skill set is the same they should be paid the same regardless of gender, sexual orientation etc, etc, etc. Absolutely.
Speaker 2:But what I will say about this is that you will find that men are mostly in higher stress and higher skill set roles because, arguably, they had more opportunity to get the skills and the experience needed for those roles you could argue that yeah so I think the reason that there is sometimes you've got more, more director roles that are that that have men in them, is because I think that men probably had a better opportunity to be able to enhance that skill set to be in that role. Yeah, and women don't necessarily get maybe the same because they do take time out to have a child or they do take time out for family matters and things like that, and I think that's still kind of prevalent today as well.
Speaker 1:I think it is. Yeah, I think people still fit into their gender roles to a degree.
Speaker 2:I think often women put their career on hold, even to have children, and then go back to it Okay.
Speaker 1:So that's interesting that you just used that word, because it was in the 1980s that the term career woman started to kind of come through, that women were kind of looking at rather than just a job, it was a career.
Speaker 2:Career? Yeah, it was a career.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was that you know they were doing there and that was, yeah, that was in the 80s that that started to, yeah, gain a little bit of traction, kind of become a terminology that was used. But even then that's pigeonholing that particular person, isn't it? Yeah, almost saying you know you, so you're a career woman, so you're not going to have a family yeah you know, yeah that would.
Speaker 1:That's kind of how I can see that, that kind of going so, although it's almost like one of those things where it could be seen as a positive thing. But the label attached to it was oh so you're going to be a career woman, which means you can't now do this.
Speaker 2:Yeah it's one or the other, which is ridiculous. You can do both, yeah but even then you could.
Speaker 1:In the 80s it was still very strong gender roles.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, very strong. Blue jobs, pink jobs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. But of course in the 80s we saw music. The role of the new romantic started to come in.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that brought Getting a bit more rebellious, weren't you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, the punks, they were a little bit more rebellious. I mean, there's a really famous interview with, uh, the sex pistols I can't remember the name of the interviewer, but that's worth a watch and johnny rotten was. He was very flippant and very kind of like rebellious in that particular interview. But you could also see that he was very, very intelligent as well, okay, very, very intelligent. And then, course, in the 80s it became a little bit more acceptable to start using recreational drugs inside of Woo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, inside of clubs and the scenes. I mean the Acid House rave scene started off in the 80s as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think before that drugs were seen to be I mean, they still are to a degree they're seen to be a very negative thing.
Speaker 1:But the term recreational drugs rather than drug addicts were starting to be a little bit more socially acceptable. You know, you had films like Scarface and things like that come out, and it was more especially in the 80s as well, the rise of the yuppies and the idea that they would all go out on a Friday night and snort loads of cocaine, and you know it was that kind of becoming more and more socially acceptable. Rock and roll, rock and roll, yeah yeah. We did have a couple of famous laws come in. We had the Criminal Justice Act of 1988, which kind of included provisions to combat racial discrimination. Nice, which is good. Yeah, it's really good. Step in the right direction, good step in the right direction, real step in the right direction. It's almost realizing that we were going to not tolerate racism in society anymore.
Speaker 2:It's the beginning of it yeah and when we were becoming more diverse.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah and you can see we're kind of it's almost like we're trying to change the culture. But when you're looking at society's culture, that's something that's been inbred and kind of in ingrained sorry you are, they're not inbred, but ingrained within a society. It doesn't just happen overnight. No, you can put laws in you but you've got to change it at the individual level and that could, that could be seen like with the equal pay act of 1970 and the sex discrimination act it's only really it's only really recently that it's kind of really because people resist change there is this resist?
Speaker 2:change and yeah, oh, it's worked, so why fix something that's broken? But they don't realize how broken it actually? Is this, is it until they personally experience it yeah I think is. I think that's kind of the crux of a lot of things is that any political head is unlikely to have lived as an average joe yeah like it's often political. People nowadays are often asked how? How much is a pint of milk?
Speaker 2:or yeah, but you know, but also the whole mcdonald's like oh, what do you like from mcdonald's? He's like oh, the breakfast wrap. The breakfast wrap hadn't been around for a while. You know, it's being in touch with the majority of people of that economic status.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do get that. I do get that. But I think what people tend to forget as well and I can't believe I'm actually defending politicians here but I'm defending this with everybody and this is everybody. So, uh, no matter who you are and what job you do, what role you do in any walk of life, you've only got so many hours in a day. Yeah, you are only one person. You can only do so much. So when you look at something like the entire country, okay and you look at everything that's kind of going on and like why isn't this person doing something about that? Because probably they haven't got round to it yet, because they've got so much on their plate and there's priorities flying in left, right and centre.
Speaker 2:I think there's a lot to take on in a position of that authority as well. Like there are so many issues, it would actually be virtually impossible to tackle them all. You can't do everything, people can't do everything.
Speaker 2:Which is why, when you vote, I guess they talk about specific things in their policies. Like I remember voting this time round, I was specifically looking out for women's health, but that only affects half the population, so it's unlikely a man I'm not saying unlikely, but I was looking out for it as a woman dealing with something of women's health, so I guess that's very personal to me. There are other women in this world that wouldn't have the same want. I guess for that because they're not experiencing it like I am and therefore I guess my husband would also vote for that because he knows that I'm going through that.
Speaker 2:So there's a man voting for something of women's health going through that. So there's a man voting for something of women's health. So I think, when, when you come around to voting and you've got policies, I often think that, yes, okay, you have certain parties that you, okay, I guess, agree or disagree with, if as such, but I think you've actually got to vote for what's going to help you in that yeah in that four years because they're in power for like four years, right generally.
Speaker 2:So you've got to vote for when you vote, it doesn't.
Speaker 1:I think kind of the party is irrelevant, it's what policies that they are enacting within that time frame of what you're doing in your current unique life the other thing to the other thing to remember as well is when people are dealing with things and I I I experience this on a daily basis in my role it's like sometimes I just need to get on with my job. I need to be able to do things, but I'm too busy dealing with the noise surrounding it that I can't actually tackle the task in hand.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because your attention is being diverted from what you're trying to do to deal with all the rubbish that comes with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, if you think of that in a kind of political aspect as well, you've got, say, any prime minister or any minister trying to deal with something, but the media are throwing stuff in, everyone's throwing stuff in which is dope, and they're trying to deal with all of this rather than focusing and dealing on the issue at hand. Now, in that instance, who's really at fault? Now, you could argue that all the media, attention and all of that is also at fault, but the person as well could be at fault, because they're too busy dealing with this. Yeah, that they're focusing on the wrong thing. They need to just that's also true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I have to do that, I have to really think to myself Sometimes, you don't know what the priority is. I guess Exactly, and is I guess exactly, and I have to sit there and think right. Am I actually dealing with a problem or am I dealing with the noise?
Speaker 2:yes, yeah, I think that's that's yeah and it's sometimes difficult to differentiate a lot of noise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people make a lot of noise, yeah so the other, so kind of a segue, but the the other thing that came out in 1981 was the education act, and this act recognized the rights of children with special educating needs, mandating that their needs be assessed and provided within mainstream schools wherever possible that was only the 80s it was only the 80s, but even then would you say, we're there probably not no, I don't think we do have that resource because I don't even know if, as a society and I'm talking a world society that we're fully, I mean as, as we, as we know you um mentioned many times before we've both studied psychology.
Speaker 1:Psychology is always evolving, yeah, and again. Through societies, through society norms, we have different psychological issues to what we had in the 70s and 80s yeah, uh yeah, you look at society today and the influx of social media has created psychological issues and psychological problems that weren't there 20 years ago. Yeah, because it wasn't a thing, because it wasn't a thing. So that psychology is always evolving and I don't think we're ever going to be able to sit back and say do you know what we've nailed this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Because, of the constant evolution of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's really, really difficult. But what I do like is the fact that we know that as a society and I think we're getting better at knowing it that we need to be aware we sometimes get it wrong.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And but it's. I think it's just the knowledge that we know. We don't know it all.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's. That's what the the ability to be able to grow and learn as a society. But yeah, it was only 1981 that this act came in.
Speaker 2:That's crazy, isn't it? Yeah, let's be honest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's all. It's almost like the old. We're going back to Sparta days. Yeah, you know, it's like. Well, if, as a child, if you're not up to scratch, then sorry You're left on the hill to die.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah yeah, you've got to keep up. That's mad. You don't get any kind of attention. That's mad to think about. Yeah, yeah. So there you go, gosh. Yeah, yeah. So there you go, gosh. Yeah. So that was kind of the 80s, but I love the 80s. I know you love the 80s, the 80s was a great time I wasn't around yet yeah, but again I think it's just because I was a child.
Speaker 2:I think if I was an adult in the 80s I would see this, yeah, definitely yeah, I mean also remember we all thought we were yeah, yeah, yeah, nuclear warfare and AIDS. Yep, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So coming into the 90s, when my dear daughter was born.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Here I am.
Speaker 1:So we had the introduction of the internet. I think that changed the world significantly.
Speaker 2:God yeah.
Speaker 1:Because with what was acceptable in society, because I think in the 70s and 80s, because you were in your small groups, you had your own way of thinking. But with the advent of the internet it opened the world up.
Speaker 2:We can receive news globally, whether that be tampered news is another discussion, entirely Deep fakes. Yeah, fakes.
Speaker 1:AI. Yeah, and twisted media as well, and everyone's suddenly a journalist, not people who actually studied to become a journalist.
Speaker 2:Everyone's either suddenly a journalist or a conspiracy theorist or a detective or just.
Speaker 1:I think the internet's been good. It's been good, but also it's been. There's positive and negatives to it.
Speaker 2:The internet is good for being able to spread knowledge. It's just harmful when that knowledge isn't accurate. That's the problem with the internet and I think that change. We've talked about technology before. We've got a whole episode on technology from your era and my era and yeah, it was a massive shift and I think just reading here, it did change the way people communicate and it made those groups bigger.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it did, it did.
Speaker 2:Suddenly. I belonged to a forum when I was planning my wedding. I belonged to a forum of people that were doing DIY weddings from around the world, globally, and we all had ideas. We were all sharing them. Now that sounds very, very wholesome. But think about a group in which they share their views on women in in career, for example, or you know things like, things like that. It becomes very jarring. Even communities that are fan-based communities, like particular shows, will have different opinions on different characters, which is fine for discussion. But sometimes I'm on a Gilmore Girls one. God, they get ratty. Sometimes I'm like calm down, it's just a show, but you know. So I think, while technology is good for the spread of information and making you feel maybe less alone in your views and what you have about the world, but, sometimes it can be very detrimental.
Speaker 1:Well, I personally think we've been given a toy to play with with no instructions.
Speaker 2:Ah yes, it's you building a shelf again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think with the internet, we've been given this toy and if you think of how the world has evolved over centuries, we didn't really move for a very long time. But if you look at how technology has moved and you know, suddenly we've shot forward very, very quickly and it's almost like the world is changing. We're going with it and the instructions are blowing off in the wind. How do we actually use this, how do we do it? And we're regulating ourselves, which probably might not be the best thing. But yeah also, yeah, mobile phones started to come in.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you know? Actually it just reminded me. So my first computer that I got would have been in the 90s and I called it Davies Gateway to the World.
Speaker 2:That's what I actually called it.
Speaker 1:That's what I actually called it. But yeah, mobile phones came in in the 90s. They weren't really that widespread, but people have not like today.
Speaker 2:No, where we all have one and wouldn't leave the house without one.
Speaker 1:And I think I said this before Mobile phones aren't really mobile phones anymore, god.
Speaker 2:No, it's just one function, it's my map and my whole world is on there.
Speaker 2:If I lost my, my phone, I wouldn't know what I'm doing next weekend like because it has my calendar on it yeah you know, I wouldn't be able to function at work without my phone because it's got all my authenticator apps for my passwords and you know, like stuff like that that you would have never have even thought about in the 90s. Yeah, just just just mad my phone is. It holds a lot of information about my life. I wouldn't be able to access my money without my phone. It's mad, isn't it, how much we rely on that tiny little thing that we keep in our pocket and some of them aren't that tiny, I guess as well and exactly, it's so mad but we did in the 90s as well.
Speaker 1:We did start seeing more and more acceptance. So again, it's such a slow process, slow acceptance of multiculturalism yeah, with you know, and a lot of it was to do with music. I think music was what brings people together, you know.
Speaker 2:I love that.
Speaker 1:You know, I think it really does.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:There's still I mean there was still issues of racism. I mean there's still issues of racism today. But I think music is leading the forefront with that of trying to break down those racism barriers. Yeah, because of the diverse and cultural music scene that we had, and especially in the 90s, it really came kind of into its own. And then we had, then we did kind of have a real look in the 90s about how we were living our lives.
Speaker 2:Our wellness.
Speaker 1:Our wellness our own well-being, our public health and safety, and that's when we started to get the anti-smoking campaigns.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and on the packets you've still got like the damaged lungs and the cancerous lumps and threatening messages on all packets. I'll be honest it didn't work.
Speaker 1:No, it didn't bother me. No, it really didn't. I carried on smoking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, it really didn't bother me. No, it really didn't, I carried on smoking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, it really didn't bother me, but yeah, we started to kind of really get behind that. We should really be looking after ourselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:We really should Some of the laws that came in. We had the Human Fertilization Act of 1990. And that regulated the use of human embryos in fertility treatment and research, making a significant step in the governance of reproductive technology.
Speaker 2:So IVF essentially.
Speaker 1:Essentially, yeah, and then it was only in 1995 that the disability discrimination act came out, which made it illegal to discriminate against people with disabilities in terms of employment, education, transport and access to goods and services. So it just didn't come soon enough, like it's, like you know we need. It's like a no brainer now, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like an absolute no brainer. It's like just don't discriminate against people.
Speaker 2:Because without this act, I don't think I would be employed.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:You know, and I can do a perfectly good job, even though I have a condition, and I just feel like I mean I wouldn't class myself as disabled, although on some paperwork I guess I am. But you know, I would not have the same access to employment if it wasn't for acts like this, 1995, the year before I was born. What that should have been much sooner, Much, much sooner.
Speaker 1:But it wasn't until three years later, right, the actual Minimum Wage Act came out.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because people could work on zero-hour contracts with zero amount of pay. They could pay you like 20 pence an hour if they really wanted to, without this national minimum wage, and employers could exploit that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely they could, absolutely they could. So it wasn't until 1998 that the act introduced the first national minimum wage in the uk it's laughable, how it is laughable, how, how late that is yeah, exactly in the game. Exactly pay anybody whatever you want. It's almost like slave labor yeah, pretty much yeah so where are we today? Well, well, where are we today? I think we've done a lot of work. I think where there is, there is a much stronger emphasis on equality and diversity yeah, I do think so we've got.
Speaker 2:I think social media can be a little bit.
Speaker 2:It has its pros for this yeah is that people felt less alone about their race and their gender and their sexuality and disability and things like that. There are so many accounts now that raise awareness, which I think is really good for conditions that people might not necessarily understand or know of. You know prior to social media and it makes you feel as someone with a disability or a non-conventional sexuality, shall we say, is the most blanket term I can think of that you don't feel so alone, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 2:And you know, even when it comes to race, obviously you know you're not alone within your race, but sometimes maybe you think the experiences you've had are just unique to you, but actually there's a lot of people that experience them, and making people aware of that enacts change. Yeah, yeah, you know, having that awareness of how people have been treated makes you think I don't want to treat people like that you know someone of a different race or gender, sexuality, disability, you know it raises awareness and makes you change your own behaviour.
Speaker 2:I think social media maybe has a little play in that.
Speaker 1:It does. I think so. I think so For sure, yeah, but it is so. I think so For sure, yeah. But it is nice now to think that you know. It's only now. I think it is generally frowned upon, that's a very kind of sort of very easy way of saying it. But you know that people shouldn't be discriminated against, no, and I think it is now less socially acceptable to discriminate against somebody. People will stand up for other people which is great yeah.
Speaker 1:Which is absolutely great, but also people have the confidence to stand up for themselves as well, which is, I think, the best thing, their own advocate. Yeah, absolutely they have a voice.
Speaker 2:Now they feel like they can say I mean you mentioned about the internet.
Speaker 1:I mean you mentioned about the internet, you mentioned about the whole. Let's call it the digital revolution, in that it has transformed, it has done a lot of good, but Trolls, trolls, cyberbullying, digital privacy concerns. I've had people try to pretend to be me on the internet.
Speaker 2:I want to ask you a question Go on. When I was at school, we had this whole cyberbullying week at school and it made you aware of the dangers of sharing your information, online pictures, yada, yada, yada. Yeah, you would have never have had that. No, that's in 21 years. There's a 21 years difference between us, and it's just crazy to me that you didn't even have a need to have something called cyberbullying, because you had no way of doing that.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:It was just regular old physical bullying. It was you know mad, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Do you know what the funny thing is as well is, when I think about bullying because I do I mean my generation. We were horrible to each other. Yeah, we were absolutely horrible, and I think the way I can brush things off now is because of how it was when I was a kid horrible, and I think the way I can brush things off now is because of how it was when I was a kid.
Speaker 1:I genuinely believe that, but when we were at school and we were bullying each other or we were being horrible to each other or beating each other up and doing things like that when you were home, that was it yeah you were then at home. You didn't have to worry about it yeah, yeah with cyber bullying. It's non-stop everywhere isn't it, it's't it, yeah Day and night 24-7. Yeah, I agree it is so. There's that aspect of it as well.
Speaker 2:I also think you guys this may be just my experience, but say you knocked somebody down in a fight.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You would have the courtesy to be like that's it now. Draw the line there. Someone's down. That's right, whereas nowadays, now we'll draw the line there. I've been someone's down that's right, whereas nowadays it just carries on until it gets too much and maybe overdone it, and maybe someone could be really, really hurt yeah, I think yes and no okay I think yes and no.
Speaker 1:There was that aspect of it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've been in fights at school like a courtesy there was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've been in fight arguments at school and it's ended up in a fight. And you know, and you are right, where I've knocked someone down on the floor, they've knocked me down on the floor and it's like are we done now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, shake hands, that's it. We've done it now got it out of our system.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah, but I do think there are times as well when things do go too far. Yeah, I think it's both.
Speaker 2:But yeah, with cyberbullying it's non-stop you can't get away from it unless you tell't, get away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, yeah and the funny thing is when we I mean, yes, there were some people who were bullied, uh, but I think even when I was at school it was like you bully people to a certain point and you realize and you thought actually I've taken that a little bit too far yeah and you knew when to.
Speaker 1:you knew when to stop, and I think with the internet and cyberbullying you don't. Again, I've said this many times before you don't have that body language, you don't have that tone, you don't have the intent behind it no, and you've got the animosity behind it, so you feel like you could be crueler or worse.
Speaker 2:Because you're hiding behind a screen, because there's no, I can't think of the word Repercussions. Yeah, reper hiding behind a screen, because there's no. Uh, I can't think of repercussions. Yeah, repercussions, but there's no, like you don't get associated with it. No, so there's no because there's no association. You don't think you've done anything wrong yeah, exactly you know it's not attributed. That's the word yeah attributed. It's not attributed to you, so therefore, you can be as cool as you want yeah and being anonymous like I don't know.
Speaker 2:Emoji literally emoji or something like that. You know your face is not your face and we, we would mad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we would. I mean, if someone said something, like if I said something about somebody at school or someone said something about me at school, we would confront that other person yeah, you would go up to them and go oi, can I have a chat?
Speaker 2:yeah, whereas I think our generation I'm happy to say my generation as well I I think we avoid conflict more than anything. I don't think we avoid conflict more than anything. I don't think we ever really learned the conflict resolution skills that you guys did, potentially because we can hide behind we lived it.
Speaker 1:We lived, we did. We never taught it, yeah, we just did it, did it and you experienced that, whereas we don't so much yeah exactly on screen, have a little cry about it, and then that's it, you know yeah it's.
Speaker 1:It's one of them but also I think the with with regard to cyber bullying and that, as well it's. People can be anonymous. You know you could send a message to somebody and not even put your own name on it, and that could that could be absolutely devastating to the other person yeah, and I'm like you said.
Speaker 2:You have some really nasty shit, really nice I mean you've had nasty comments on like your videos and stuff which make you laugh. That make me laugh, yeah but that could really be damaging to someone exactly someone with very low self esteem, low confidence.
Speaker 1:I mean I've got. I've literally got. No nothing, it's just water off the duck's back with me.
Speaker 2:It just it genuinely doesn't upset me.
Speaker 1:Yeah but to someone else that might not be, but it's just my personality, because I'm, I can say I'm hardened to it yeah. You know, hardened to it. So then we had what we have got now as well. We've got a lot more environmental awareness.
Speaker 2:Activism yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean. But we say that, we say that. I mean. I remember when I was a kid we did recycle. We had like pop bottles, like Corona, which we would take to the shop, like Lucas said, and swap it back out for money. We did used to recycle, but I do think we're much more aware now of the wider environmental implications.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's probably because technology has made us realise so.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know climate change has been spoken about. I remember learning about climate change in school and it's still spoken about to this day day, you know, 20 odd years later, or what have you? You know? So it's yeah, we're just more aware of it and it's more prevalent and therefore we're more aware of what we can do to achieve well, we have environmental bliss we had specific.
Speaker 1:We had specific issues in the in the 80s and 90s that worried us. At one point there was acid rain, everyone worried about acid rain, and then there was the use of Not a Prince song no no. The use of the chlorophoric carbons, which would burn a hole in the ozone layer God yeah, you know as well as the threat of nuclear war. But I think now we're realising that climate change isn't just going to be one issue. It's going to be it's changing the whole world.
Speaker 2:It is changing everything.
Speaker 1:I think we're just much more aware of it. And again, like the use of plastics, Plastics, when they first came out, were a wonderful thing Look at this, it's plastic but then we realised actually they don't break down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and now we've got bloody paper straws in McDonald's. Yeah, the worst thing to come out of this.
Speaker 1:But we are looking more towards renewable energy and conservation as well which is really really good and multi-use products, exactly. But then, of course, public smoking got banned. Pubs smelt like farts.
Speaker 2:Farts and BO. Yeah, yeah, exactly as previously discussed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, much more influence and much more emphasis now on healthy living, mental health awareness. Yes, the kind of idea of just get on with it has gone.
Speaker 2:It's gone yeah, it's gone. And men's mental health? Particularly Men were seen as not being able to have mental health because they were supposed to be hard and manly. See, this is one of the biggest you know, issue, huge issue, and I say that as a woman, I guess, um, you know, I understand that it's a massive, massive thing.
Speaker 1:um, because men are not seen to be, uh, stereotypically emotional, and I'm not, I mean, I mean I'm the worst one for this and that I don't open up and say how I feel, because sometimes I feel absolutely rotten and I don't talk about it with anybody. I saw a video the other day on tiktok and it was said and it was a female on the video she said men, who do you call when you need help? And immediately I went no one, no, and and then the video was all these men going, I don't call anyone. I don't call anyone, I just get on with it and I do as well yeah, but you shouldn't have to.
Speaker 1:Shouldn't have to but I don't know how to open up about my feelings.
Speaker 2:I genuinely don't, because I've never have done.
Speaker 1:No, I do keep everything bottled up inside and your mum tells me off for it, because I know she knows I'm struggling, I'm struggling, I know, she knows she can see it in my face, and but I've never opened up to her and I won't, because it's just me, I don't know how to.
Speaker 1:And, as you know, I have lost friends. Yeah, you know, I have lost friends, and one of my other friends is a very big, massive advocate for men's mental health, and so much so. I actually saw him do a lecture at law school the other day.
Speaker 2:You know, it's jay you'd think that you would be more inclined to open up after seeing those things. It's like, see, do as I say, not as I do, yes, and I'm, I'm a hypocrite? Yes, I am an a hypocrite in that aspect.
Speaker 1:I am an absolute hypocrite in that aspect, but I just don't know how to. I don't know how to. So? But he's becoming men's mental health, like you say, is becoming. People are recognizing it. Yeah, Guys, boys do cry too, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Boys do cry too.
Speaker 2:The cure right? Yeah, yeah, that's true. And it doesn't make them any less of a man? No, it doesn't. It doesn't make them any less of a person no it doesn't. As a better phrasing yeah, you can feel what you need to feel as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:No judgment here. Yeah, yeah, it's a massive issue and men is literally half of the population. It's a massive issue that needs to be tackled and the stigma needs to be removed and we're getting better. But, yeah, I mean, my advice to people like you, I guess, would be to give it a go, open up.
Speaker 1:See what happens. Someone said at work to me the other week I came in, I was talking to them on Teams and they went you okay? I went, yeah, I'm fine and decided to come back to work. And they went no, no, are you really okay? You're okay because you have just been through a very traumatic experience. And I was like have I? And they went Lily. I was like oh, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And they said it was, but I will now. Now you've brought it up, I mean, the death of Lily. Lily is a dog, yeah, your dog, your beloved dog. And there was something that you said to me and I hope you don't mind me sharing this on air and you probably just cut it out if you don't want to but I remember coming and you hugged me and said this should be the other way around.
Speaker 2:That is what you said to me at the vets when that happened, and I was like no, no, no, I'm here for you, I'm going to be the you for you. You know what I mean. Yeah, and you know I was there and of course I cried because I saw you two were very upset and as much as I wasn't as close to Lily, of course it was still very upsetting for me, but when, when lily passed and then we went our separate ways to go home, and then I come back to yours for a little drink, yeah I got all the tears out in the car on the way, like to yours, and then I was.
Speaker 2:Finally. I had to be strong for you two again. Yeah, you know, and I was. I was kind of being the you in that respect, but that doesn't mean that you can't not feel things. I mean it's part of the family, like yeah, I know yeah, and you're allowed to feel that way.
Speaker 2:But I remember you saying to me that very interestingly, like oh, are you OK, this is supposed to be the other way around. I was like, well, no, it's not supposed to be the other way around, I can be here for you it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter our connection as daughter and father, and it doesn't matter who we are. We can all comfort each other in ways we don't. Just just because you're a parent doesn't mean that you can't be comforted by your children, and I think everyone needs to hear that as well. Your children can comfort you too, and, as someone that likes to comfort people as well, it comforts me to comfort people.
Speaker 2:So I guess, in that sense, yeah, just let your children comfort you. If you're listening to this and have children, no matter how old they are, and they want to give you a hug, let them. Yeah, let them, because even hug. Yeah, let them, because even if you're at a funeral and you take like a small child to the funeral and they hug you, that's kind of their way of they're. They're recognizing that and they're seeing that other people hugging people to comfort them let them.
Speaker 2:Hug you as well. You're allowed to feel something, yeah you know that goes for men and women as well.
Speaker 1:I'm just I'm just putting it out there yeah, anyway, yeah um so yeah, so we are. We are much more focused on that and realising that we do actually all need help.
Speaker 2:We do.
Speaker 1:We do, but did you know that it wasn't until 2010 that the Equality Act came in?
Speaker 2:It's the revised version of the Equality Act, so it did, yeah, it's revised, they revise it. They revise a lot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we're like OK, so let's really look at this At the. You know we had the Disability Discrimination Act, we had the Education Act, all of those. We need the proper Equality Act now, looking at all of these things. So that was a comprehensive piece of legislation and replaced all the kind of anti-discrimination laws. It protects against discrimination on the basis of age, disability, gender reassignment, marriage, civil partnership, race, religion or belief, sex and sexual orientation.
Speaker 2:Okay, it's nice to define that as well.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I had the conversation around the Equality Act a few weeks ago at work. Belief, and so it says religion or belief.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That actual terminology itself, I think is really interesting.
Speaker 2:And mildly problematic.
Speaker 1:Well, no, because you know my feelings on religion.
Speaker 2:I do, and so do a lot of our listeners, from your random rant unrelated to what we were talking about before and the fact that I don't like.
Speaker 1:I understand that religion gives people comfort and I don't ever, ever want to take that away from them, but I don't like the idea of religion being a belief. Okay, because I like the idea of religion being an idea.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because you can change an idea. Okay, you can't change a belief. Are you with me?
Speaker 2:Yeah, problematically.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You probably can change your beliefs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You can't change a belief. You can change your beliefs.
Speaker 1:Yes, but the religion is. It's almost like a doctrine. This is it. How do you know how?
Speaker 2:does anyone know when is the evidence Show me the money? Yeah, I no. How does anyone know when is the evidence Show me the money?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that's another debate for another time. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:I know what you're saying, but I think we also need to be respectful of people's cultures and what they were brought up, oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:It's just my personal opinion.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:I know, but we have to be. I don't like the term belief, I know, I know In the form of religion. So then we had the Same-Sex Couples Marriage Act of 2013. It actually legalised Only 11 years ago, 12 years ago.
Speaker 2:See, that's just 2013. That was 11 years ago, right yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, am I maths-ing? Maths-ing is maths-ing 11 years ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah 11. That's not that long ago and in 2015,.
Speaker 1:the modern slavery act.
Speaker 2:Again. Should have been a lot sooner.
Speaker 1:It's like the fact that we even need an act for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh no Human trafficking. Oh, that might need a law.
Speaker 1:Exactly 2015.
Speaker 2:Nine years ago yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 1:And then, of course, I think the most controversial one of all was the plastic bag charge of 2015.
Speaker 2:The most controversial thing we're going to talk about is this plastic bag charge.
Speaker 1:Do you know what, honestly, that caused it?
Speaker 2:rock honestly, that rocks the uk. Bloody did it did it. Bloody did so much yeah people were pissed so much animals people were pissed yes, so yeah, people were pissed, and people were pissed at the poor, like workers within the stores of those plastic bags. It's not their fault. They did not enact this, this change, and yet they were the ones that got the absolute trash people. Oh yeah, just, just, just, oh yeah, it was it was.
Speaker 1:It was a bad time in our history. It was a bad time the plastic bag charge.
Speaker 2:I just yeah, jesus okay, so the plastic bag charge. Um, it's like what. I think it started out as 10p a bag or 5p a bag, yeah, and it was. But now you get variations, you get cloth ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, and it and it was Plastic bag charge is like what I think it started out as 10p a bag or 5p a bag.
Speaker 2:But now you get variations. You get cloth ones, paper ones and it was just trying to.
Speaker 1:I feel bad about getting a plastic bag now, though. Yeah, I do feel bad.
Speaker 2:It was trying to combat the idea of having plastic bags with your shopping and to use reusable bags and stronger bags that would last longer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bag for life, bag for life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, bag for life. Bag for life. Do you ever use the beep, your own scanner, when you go shopping?
Speaker 1:Sometimes I try not to.
Speaker 2:We do it every single time because we like to pack our own bags, whilst we're going along with the order of the shop, because all of your fridge items are going to be together. So you put them all in the fridge. Well, Mitchell does the shopping. I'm talking like I do the shopping and I don't, and we have our little bags. Now We've got our little routine. I like it.
Speaker 1:Okay so.
Speaker 2:The plastic bag charge does not affect me.
Speaker 1:So your mum, your mum has bought these bags, right? Okay, don't get me wrong. They're awesome, I love them, they're like these cloth, right, but the bags themselves weigh a ton, oh, quite a ton, but they're quite heavy. So much so, and this is this is a bit of an argument between me and your mom. When we go shopping, it's generally why I do the shopping okay, right, and we'll go there. And your mom, you know, we go to the self-scan checkout and then you put your bags onto the thing, yeah, and it says you know, put your bags on, then press every single time because these bags are so heavy, it sends the checkout intodown, and then you have to stand there for so long for someone to verify the bags.
Speaker 2:This is why you need to scan and go, because you don't need the wait thing.
Speaker 1:So what I do is I'm very quick at packing bags, so I don't put the bags on the checkout to put the things in. I will just put the things on the scale and then bag everything up afterwards. Your mum doesn't like that, no, scale and then bag everything up afterwards. Your mum doesn't like that.
Speaker 2:No, she prefers to put the bags on and so yeah yeah, this is why you need to do scan and go you don't have to worry about weights, boom, shaka. How does it?
Speaker 1:work. How does it work with bananas?
Speaker 2:what? How does it work? With bananas so when you like weighed items yeah, so you put your bananas on the on the weight thing, like in sainsbury's, for example by the way. It gives you a ticket and then you scan the ticket.
Speaker 1:Gotcha so you weigh your veggies. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We tend to use those little cloth bags as well for the yeah. Like the breathable bags.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, put that on the scale. Okay, bob's your uncle. And then you pay the weight of the banana.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I Right, I didn't know how that worked, see, that's why I've only ever used it. And some vegetables, like red peppers, for example, or any peppers that are like always kind of Very singles, similar size, they will have just a scan and go like barcode that you can just go beep, so that's one red pepper, for example. Cucumbers are the same as well. You don't have to weigh them. So how does the payment?
Speaker 1:work with it Payment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you just put it into a thing and then you do, you bit the screen and then it comes up with all of the thing. Sometimes you get selected to, so the person comes and checks if you've scanned it all yeah but I mean that happens, I think it's, I think it's sheer luck. Yeah, whether it happens or doesn't happen, so they there'll be an algorithm in there.
Speaker 2:I thought somewhere like 60 or 70, it's probably like how it might be over a certain price and then also how many people per hour have been checked, potentially? Right so you might get checked. And then it's already in your trolley and you just boop, boop, boop in your boot and go Ah, excellent, it's the best thing since last bread.
Speaker 1:Excellent. So that's where we've grown as a society. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:The lack of people within the process of buying groceries. Yeah, people within the process of buying groceries are more for Perfect. I know people are losing jobs, which is bad. If we have like something come to the UK like I don't know, like Universal Studios, roller coaster park, for example, that's going to increase the job.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's been 50 minutes in and you've only just managed to make it. I was like how can I get roller coasters?
Speaker 2:into society.
Speaker 1:Jobs, baby, jobs I made it Equal pay, equal pay, no discrimination, no discrimination, no you can't Universal, universal's universal.
Speaker 2:Exactly, that's the most diverse word ever yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 1:So could you just to finish the episode off, because I was going to go randomly talking for ages on other stuff. So could I argue? So do I was going to go randomly talking for ages on other stuff, so that we have we're growing as a society, we're growing, we're getting there, but there's still a ways to go.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely, and we can't go too far as in with how crazy we would get with with cancel culture and things like that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we've got to be yeah, just yeah it's of them things.
Speaker 2:It's a tightrope to walk down. Oh, it's amazing For sure. But yeah, just be kind to one another, help each other out, support one another.
Speaker 1:In the words of Bill and Ted be excellent to each other.
Speaker 2:Be excellent to each other.
Speaker 1:That's a lovely way to end this very controversial podcast episode.
Speaker 2:If you would like to hear less controversial episodes, we do have quite a band of them on streaming services such as Spotify and the like. We will see you next time. Have a lovely day, lovely evening, from wherever you are in the world. Goodbye you.