Unexplained Mysteries Part Two

Can two sisters who've never met their older siblings somehow remember their lives? On this episode of Bonus Dad, Bonus Daughter, we unravel the eerie tale of the Pollock twins, a story that dances on the edge of reincarnation and family dynamics. We pick apart the threads of nature versus nurture while skeptically examining the possibility of past lives. Could it be parental influence or a cosmic mystery? Our dialogue dives into the comfort people find in these extraordinary beliefs, pondering whether reincarnation is as plausible as it is fascinating—or simply a load of "Pollux."

Media can make or break a story, but does it always tell the truth? We turn a critical eye on the role of sensationalism in high-profile cases like Madeleine McCann's, questioning how headlines can skew reality. Our conversation jumps from modern mysteries to historical enigmas like the Black Dahlia murder, all the way to peculiar urban legends such as the Mothman sightings. Is it a bird, a beast, or just a bump in the night? We even have a lighthearted chuckle over why names like Keith and Nigel have become as rare as a Mothman sighting itself.

Treasures hidden and sounds unheard await as we venture into the lore of the Oak Island Money Pit and the mysterious "Bloop" of the Pacific. From speculations of concealed pirate treasures to the curiosity surrounding enigmatic underwater noises, we examine how archaeologists and scientists strive to unravel these puzzles. Our journey through time and mystery also revisits the Green Children of Woolpit and the ghostly tale of the Mary Celeste, each story leaving seeds of intrigue and wonder. Join us as we weave through these unsolved mysteries, pondering whether some answers are best left to the imagination.

Transcript

Unexplained Mysteries and Reincarnation

Speaker 1 0:00

Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me, davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world, Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades or you could choose one by contacting us via email, Instagram, Facebook or TikTok links in bio.

Speaker 2 0:24

Hello and welcome to part two of unexplained mysteries. We ended on stonehenge last time, but we are back with another 10 more, yeah, 10 more, 10 more, yeah, 10 more. Yeah, so we're back by popular demand. We've done a episode on um conspiracy theories, so we thought we'd do unexplainedained Mysteries, and around this spooky time of year we thought it was apt.

Speaker 1 0:48

Yeah, there was a few spooky ones in the last one. I mean we tried to explain a few away. But yeah, looking at the list of the next 12, there are a couple of spooky ones on here, Spooky, spooky.

Speaker 2 1:02

And just a tidbit. I mentioned this on the last podcast, but whilst we're recording this, unfortunately I do have a cold, so I'm sounding a little bit more raspy than usual, but I will try my best to get through.

Speaker 1 1:11

I will. What I will do, hannah as well, is I will do. When we record these. I'll do the Halloween one and then I'll do these ones after, so that all voices that are the way all the same, yeah yeah it's one of the uh, the problems with having an audio podcast.

Speaker 2 1:26

as well as that, we have to rely on our voices working and, uh, unfortunately I'm a sickly person. That seems to happen to me more. Do you know what, though? I tend to only get a cold at christmas, so it's come early this year, so I'm hoping I'm going to be fine for christmas the last. I think. The last three christmases I've had the flu. I've been so poorly each Christmas, so I'm hoping, hoping, hoping. That's my pubescent teenage boy coming out there. Yes, I'm hoping that I'm going to be well for Christmas and it's coming out now. So, yeah, apologies in advance for that, I'm sure it doesn't make any difference to you.

Speaker 1 1:58

I know I tried to help you out a little bit on the Halloween episode by doing a lot of the talking for you.

Speaker 2 2:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah bless you.

Speaker 1 2:06

So the first one of this particular 10, you ever heard of the Pollock twins? I have not. I haven't heard of this either, oh I thought you were about to say.

Speaker 2 2:15

I know everything about these Pollock twins, but this is quite an.

Speaker 1 2:18

This is, yeah, this is a really really weird one, and this goes on to about the whole thing about possible reincarnation. So there were a couple of sisters, Joanna and Jacqueline Pollock, and they both died in a car accident. Oh, that's tragic. Now, Gillian and Jennifer were born a year later into the same family.

Speaker 2 2:40

So double twins.

Speaker 1 2:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2 2:42

Oh interesting, okay, so double twins.

Speaker 1 2:44

Yeah, oh, interesting, okay, so apparently the twins, the new twins, jennifer and Jillian. They spoke of details as they were growing up that only their deceased sisters would know, and they exhibited behaviours resembling their older sisters.

Speaker 2 2:58

Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 3:00

Okay Now a guy called Dr Ian Stevenson.

Speaker 2 3:04

Yeah.

Speaker 1 3:05

He was the one who put forward. I think they're being reincarnated as their older sisters. What do you reckon to that?

Speaker 2 3:13

Oh, I'm sorry, I'm just not Are you sceptical? I'm not believing it Are you sceptical? I'm sorry. I'm sorry the Pollux, I guess.

Speaker 1 3:21

Do you think it?

Speaker 2 3:21

is a load of Pollux.

Speaker 1 3:21

The Pollocks, I guess. Do you think it is?

Speaker 2 3:24

a load of Pollocks. The reason I think it's a load of Pollocks is because, of course, they're going to exhibit similar behaviours because they were brought up in the same way.

Speaker 1 3:32

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:33

I'm assuming, when it says the same family, it's the same mother and father. I assume so, and therefore, their upbringing would be similar.

Speaker 1 3:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:40

They'd also be aware of their deceased sisters.

Speaker 1 3:43

Yeah, and also I suppose, when they're growing up as well, the parents will be talking about their older sisters. Surely?

Speaker 2 3:48

And presumably they'll have pictures of them around the house as well. Ah, I mean, it's weird if they're saying things that only the sisters would know.

Speaker 1 3:59

Yeah.

Speaker 2 4:00

That is quite weird. Twin telepathy and things like that Ah, I don't buy it. But also, what is this family with just sounding their names Joanna, Jacqueline, Gillian and Jennifer?

Speaker 1 4:09

They do that with twins a lot, though, don't they?

Speaker 2 4:11

And Gillian is with a G, so that's the odd one out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I don't know, I don't buy it. It's tragic and to think I think a lot of people will look for comfort in places when tragedy happens, and perhaps that's what's fueling this potential reincarnation. But I don't know if they had a similar upbringing we're going to assume wildly that they did, I would assume so. I think it's Pollux.

Speaker 1 4:40

Yeah, I think it's Pollux. Sorry, Pollux twins yeah, but people have argued that it is parental influence. I could see that.

Speaker 2 4:51

Yeah, and I don't think, even probably not intended parental influence. They will just naturally have a similar upbringing as their deceased sisters. It's the nature-nurture debate, I guess.

Speaker 1 5:01

It is, isn't it it is, but there is that theory as well about it. I've seen where other people have gone to places and they recognize them and they've never been there before I, you're funny, you should say that.

Speaker 2 5:13

Something just reminded me of when I done my a levels, uh, and religion. Specifically, I remember watching this little boy who believed that he lived on barra island that's the one I was thinking of. Yeah, and that did send goosebumps down my arms, because apparently he had no connection to this family that he's now in, the little boy, no connection to Barrow Island, nothing, nothing you know within their history. He'd never seen a documentary, never seen anything.

Speaker 2 5:40

But when he got there he started recalling events and things that took place there and that sends shivers down my spine, because I was like that is, that is freaking weird. Yeah, like, how did he know that? Maybe it is all a publicity stunt to get a little bit of money from the film, I don't know.

Speaker 1 5:55

But but then there's there's the whole iceland thing, with my family as well, isn't there?

Speaker 2 5:59

yeah like that is a bit weird that is weird that you all want to go to Iceland. There's some sort of connection there, yeah.

Speaker 1 6:05

So just to tell you what that is yeah, sorry, you carry on.

Speaker 1 6:08

So I do have this really weird kind of connect of really weird want, need to go to Iceland. I don't know what it is. It's like the one place in the world that I really want to go to and I've never been, and I did my ancestry, and it does turn out that my ancestors were from Iceland and Norway to a degree, you know, going back hundreds and hundreds of years. But the really really weird interesting thing is, is that so my brother and my sister, we've never had this discussion ever. We've never spoken about Iceland. It's something that your mum knows, that I've always wanted to go, but that's kind of as far as the conversation's ever gone now.

Speaker 1 6:44

Now we were around dads a few years ago and my sister said that her husband was taking her to Iceland. And I sat there. I said do you know what? I've always wanted to go there. It's the one place in the world I'd love to go. And my sister piped up and she said funny, that me too. She said I've always wanted to go to Iceland. And that me too, she said I've always wanted to go to iceland. And my brother then walked into the room and went you're talking about iceland, oh, yeah, yeah, he goes. I've always wanted to go there. I don't know why that's spooky. So me, my brother and my sister all sat there and we were like hang on a minute, this is weird it is weird, because you also didn't actually all grow up together as well yeah there's, there's, we can take that influence out.

Speaker 2 7:22

I guess in that way it's weird.

Speaker 1 7:25

That is weird. We've never had that conversation. But then when I say, when I did my ancestry, my ancestors do come from Iceland. Maybe it's a biological could be driven need Could be, could be, so yeah, so do you think reincarnation's a thing, without going too heavily into the religious avenue?

Speaker 2 7:45

I mean, it's plausible, plausible, it's plausible, but do I believe it? Probably not.

Speaker 1 7:50

Sorry, yeah. So the Pollock twins. We think it's Pollocks, we think it's a load of old.

Speaker 2 7:56

Pollocks I do Respectfully to them. I assume they don't listen to this podcast.

Speaker 1 8:01

No, no, and I think old Dr Ian Stevenson there, he thought you're a bit of a moneymaker here. He thought. I could get this has got legs. I'm going to run with this.

Speaker 2 8:09

Yeah, that's what I think a lot of those type of theories are driven by shall we say Okay.

Speaker 1 8:15

So the next one is the Black Dahlia murder. Have you ever heard of this?

Speaker 2 8:19

I Dahlia. It's mentioned actually I'm sure it's mentioned in one of the Spider-Man movies, because that's what he buys. Her is the Black Dahlia brooch.

Speaker 1 8:28

That's true.

Speaker 2 8:29

So it's mentioned a few times, but enlighten me.

Speaker 1 8:32

Yeah, so this lady called Elizabeth Short was the victim. She was found mutilated and posed in a really weird way in a Los Angeles parking lot.

Speaker 2 8:43

I hate the word mutilated when it comes to dead bodies.

Speaker 1 8:47

So this became a massive media story. Loads of speculation, loads of people. There was, I think over 150 people got announced as suspects, and we're talking prominent, prominent figures in America, but no one was ever charged. To this day they do not know.

Speaker 2 9:07

I mean, someone killed her? Obviously yeah, but what gets?

Speaker 1 9:10

me is what is it about this particular murder that suddenly went completely viral and why were all these? Although saying that recent events on TikTok I'm seeing loads of stuff at the minute with a court case I'm not going to say seeing loads of stuff at the minute with a court case, I'm not going to say anything more about it, but there's a court case going on in America at the moment and my TikTok feed and my Facebook feed is filled with enough.

Speaker 2 9:32

People speculate.

Speaker 1 9:34

Yeah.

Speaker 2 9:34

And actually, on that note entirely, there was a recent disappearance of a young woman in the UK on a dog walk and the dog was found and everything she was found in the river right.

Speaker 1 9:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 9:46

Now people jumped on TikTok and blamed the husband, blamed this, blamed them, whatever, but the thing is they were hindering the actual investigation.

Speaker 1 9:55

The one in Tenerife as well.

Speaker 2 9:57

Yeah, they went out there and tried to be their own detective, like, let them do their work you know Should her body have been found sooner?

Speaker 1 10:07

yes, because it was in an area they were supposed to be searching.

Speaker 2 10:10

Yes, but, yeah, but please let them do their job exactly because you're just getting in the way.

Speaker 1 10:13

That's not very good closure for the family, regardless of who was responsible but also also with that, there's a thing that I talk about a lot at work okay at the moment, and that is we deal too much with the noise rather than dealing with what we need to be dealing with the case itself.

Speaker 2 10:31

Yeah, people get involved and they don't need to be.

Speaker 1 10:33

It's exactly to me, that is what I call noise, and that is just like block out the noise. And let us let people deal with what we're trying to deal with.

Speaker 2 10:43

Yeah and it's hard not I imagine it's hard as a detective to not be influenced by things like that. They'll need to stay off social media, and they'll need to because they can't have any influences. They need to look at the facts and see exactly what's going on.

Speaker 1 10:57

Exactly, but also from a jury's point of view. So, if anything, if anybody was ever convicted, you know there's the court of public opinion and people are tried in the court of public opinion before they even get tried in the court of law, and there are certain things that can't be released to the public, and then what you think is actually going on when you find out the full details, then you realise what you thought was happening isn't actually what is happening.

Speaker 2 11:22

Because the media twist it as well.

Speaker 1 11:24

Absolutely they do.

Speaker 2 11:26

I had this conversation actually really recently about British media and how often when it comes I don't want to get political here, but often when it comes to the media and speaking of war, the country that's always mentioned, regardless of who's at war, is always Iran. It's always that, and it's just like there's other news outlets out there that would tell a different story.

Speaker 1 11:46

Depending on which country you're in, you're going to get a different version of events as well.

Speaker 2 11:48

Exactly, there's propaganda and there's things like that, and you know there's no. I don't really think there's ever an innocent party in war.

Unsolved Mysteries and Strange Events

Speaker 1 11:55

No, there isn't. No one ever wins a war either.

Speaker 2 11:58

Exactly, and I hope that's not too controversial to say, but I just yeah, media is one of them things that is constantly twisting things and getting gets in the way of investigation.

Speaker 1 12:08

They're looking for the headline, that's what they want. I mean, how many times do you often see a headline and then, when you actually read the story, it's like, well, that headline's got nothing to do with what absolutely it tries to pull you in yeah, recently I saw madeline mccann mentioned again in the media okay and I was like, is there a movement on the case?

Speaker 2 12:24

And no, it was the guy that they suspected of her.

Speaker 1 12:27

Oh, I saw that.

Speaker 2 12:28

Yeah, suspected of her abduction, was acquitted of another case.

Speaker 1 12:33

Yeah.

Speaker 2 12:34

But they brought Madeleine McCann in because that probably got the clicks and the views. That's exactly it, yeah. But, there was nothing to do with Madeleine McCann other than the fact that they suspected him for an amount of time and that he was actually acquitted from that case as well. It's just like our poor guy will always have, providing he's innocent.

Speaker 1 12:51

I'm assuming he is because he was acquitted.

Speaker 2 12:54

But that guy will always have that connection to Madeleine McCann now. So whenever anything happens in his life, it'll be, oh, the Madeleine McCann suspect which could destroy someone's life he can, and that's the thing about me.

Speaker 1 13:06

Innocent or not, I'm just saying yeah and I said this before with regard to the media is they're playing and they're toying with people's lives, and people are human beings. And you know, for the sake of a few clicks. And they're the ones that are going to face the backlash, not the for the sake of a few clicks and the sake of a headline story. They could destroy someone's life anyway. But no, no one was ever charged.

Speaker 1 13:28

But they thought there was possible connections to organised crime could have been an obsessed fan, a deranged individual, or it could have been a notable figure. But again, wild accusations, wild theories thrown out. No one ever found out. So we still don't know what happened in the case of the Black Dahlia murder to this day, and I don't think we ever will. But again, could it be that the actual investigation was hindered so much by the noise? In fact, if they were able to concentrate on it, it was probably something very they missed something quite critical in that which would help them solve the case.

Speaker 1 14:04

They missed something quite critical in that which would help them solve the case, but they're too busy dealing with old keyboard. Keith Keyboard. Keith Keyboard.

Speaker 2 14:10

Keith. Knock off Nigel and keyboard Keith.

Speaker 1 14:15

Who's?

Speaker 2 14:15

you know your they're not called Keith anymore, are they not? No, you don't have a baby, keith, do you?

Speaker 1 14:19

It was the first name that I could pop into my head.

Speaker 2 14:21

It's just one of them names that's died, isn't it name that?

Speaker 1 14:23

I could pop into my head. It's just one of them names that's died, isn't it? Keyboard.

Speaker 2 14:25

Keith and Keyboard Kathy. Like Keith Nigel.

Speaker 1 14:27

Nigel.

Speaker 2 14:27

Or then Derek, derek. You just don't have a baby, derek, do you?

Speaker 1 14:31

You should I guess Next one is a bit spooky, spooky time.

Speaker 2 14:37

I have heard of this one.

Speaker 1 14:38

We've all heard of this one.

Speaker 2 14:41

Have we all? Yeah, mothman, I love the Mothman. I cannot stand Moths. We've talked about Moths before. It's one of my fears. Hate Moths, not a massive fan of Mothman okay there's been a few films on Mothman there has Mothman prophecies.

Speaker 1 14:56

Yep, so the idea that you see the Mothman before a big event oh, I thought it was death, my bad.

Speaker 2 15:01

Oh, I thought it was death, my bad. Yeah, before the event. Well, that's a fairly big event Generally yeah, in your calendar it's the end of the calendar. Yeah.

Speaker 1 15:09

But apparently the first time it was seen was in 1966. Okay, quite recently actually. I love this. It says here it was originally seen or first sighting in 1966 by two couples driving near an abandoned World War II TNT plant.

Speaker 2 15:24

By two couples.

Speaker 1 15:26

Yeah, that's four people. Okay, interesting way of wording that.

Speaker 2 15:29

Okay, yeah, yeah, so four people saw a mothman.

Speaker 1 15:32

Yeah, and by the mothman they mean someone with glowing red eyes, bat-type wings.

Speaker 2 15:40

Moth-like wings, you mean.

Speaker 1 15:40

Moth-like wings of about 10 feet. This thing's huge, huge, okay, big old moth-like wings of about 10 feet.

Speaker 2 15:44

This thing's huge, huge, okay big old moth mouth when this is described a large creature with glowing red eyes and a wingspan of about 10 feet. Wow, that's, that's long, yeah, actually.

Speaker 1 15:54

Yeah, here we go see in about a year later the Silver Bridge collapsed, killed 46 people and some link the sightings to that disaster. That's what I mean. They see the Mothman before something happens like a big disaster. So we're talking a little bit of sort of Final Destination type thing here.

Speaker 2 16:11

Yeah, it's like a death omen.

Speaker 1 16:13

You see this thing, something horrible is going to happen.

Speaker 2 16:17

Okay. Theories range from a misidentified large bird. It's just a bird.

Speaker 1 16:24

Yeah.

Speaker 2 16:25

Crane to a supernatural extraterrestrial entity.

Speaker 1 16:28

What do you reckon? What do you reckon about the Mothman?

Speaker 2 16:31

So right, I'm going to chuck something out here, then, okay.

Speaker 1 16:33

A.

Speaker 2 16:33

Mothman.

Speaker 1 16:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2 16:35

So, basically, let's forget the red eyes for a moment.

Speaker 1 16:38

Okay.

Speaker 2 16:39

A veil of black in front of your vision.

Speaker 1 16:41

You see things that you do. A veil of black in front of your vision. You see things that you do.

Speaker 2 16:47

Again, your mind is programmed to put things into sense, isn't it? Now? Four people having the same phenomenon.

Speaker 1 16:51

Near a TNT plant. I don't know if that might have anything to do with it. You know, was there anything that was leaking out into the atmosphere that might have caused anyone to trip?

Speaker 2 17:02

Possibly, possibly. I don't know if that was the first sighting and the Mothman wasn't a thing before that. They didn't have any preconceived idea of a Mothman.

Speaker 1 17:11

Yeah, but there have been, you know, you think about all throughout history, people have seen, you know, you could say was this an angel, Was it a demon? Was it a you know, yeah, I guess a moth is very similar to an angel or a dark angel. I guess yeah, we're going supernatural beings here yeah and there's been sightings of supernatural beings throughout history yeah so is this just another incarnation of of something of like the the death omen yeah, I believe that, they believe that they saw it I like that phrase.

Speaker 1 17:44

I believe that they believe that they saw it but um do you believe it?

Speaker 2 17:49

it's. It's hard for me to comprehend a 10 foot being with glowing eyes. Yeah, but it could have been an animal. It could have been a bird, a large bird. Birds are pretty, pretty big.

Speaker 1 18:00

It can be quite big I don't know, skeptical. Yeah, skeptical, yeah, skeptical. Okay, moving on, moving on to the Tunguska event.

Speaker 2 18:09

Never heard of it.

Speaker 1 18:10

No, tell me all about it. So this one happened in Siberia.

Speaker 2 18:14

Ooh, moving across the world here.

Speaker 1 18:16

Yeah, basically, residents saw a fireball come across the sky.

Speaker 2 18:23

Do, do, do, do, do do Fireball.

Speaker 1 18:26

And it burst into song. So you saw this massive fireball crossing the sky in a shockwave that knocked people off their feet and it flattened an estimated 80 million trees. Oh, that's huge yeah, All right okay, yeah, over a 2,000 square kilometre area in Siberia. Shit, I know, shit the bed.

Speaker 2 18:49

That's scary, yeah. So this I mean immediately.

Speaker 1 18:54

I'm thinking meteor, asteroid comet right had to have been.

Speaker 2 18:58

But that is a large area 80 million trees over 2,000 square kilometres. Okay, but what gets me did no?

Speaker 1 19:05

one go out looking to see if it was a meteor, but that is a large area 80 million trees over 2,000 square kilometres.

Speaker 2 19:08

Okay, but what gets me? Did no one go out looking to see if it was a meteor? Well, no, they all got bloody flattened by it, didn't they?

Speaker 1 19:11

But yeah, oh man, I mean, I know it's Siberia and I know you could argue it's the middle of nowhere and would anybody go wandering?

Speaker 2 19:17

Warfare yeah.

Speaker 1 19:18

But you know, to me this screams meteor or comet. Yeah, absolutely, and it couldn't have been something that had been that big either, because otherwise, if you get a big, something that's too big, you're talking world event. Yeah, this was probably only the size of a golf ball.

Speaker 2 19:32

No, it would have been bigger than that surely it would have been yeah. I mean it sounds like a massive disk. I mean, Flandern estimated 80 million trees. I can't get over this. 80 million trees over 2,000 square kilometres, that's not small.

Speaker 1 19:47

No, so you think it impacted the ground.

Speaker 2 19:49

This is one of those events that definitely happened. There's empirical evidence that something hit the earth.

Speaker 1 19:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 19:56

Maybe that's the wrong wording. Something flattened. 80 million trees yeah. Reports described of a fireball crossing the sky yeah, just yeah.

Speaker 1 20:05

It screams, meteor, doesn't it?

Speaker 2 20:07

Oh, it does. Scientific investigation of meteor or comet theory. Most scientists believe it was a comet or asteroid that exploded in the atmosphere.

Speaker 1 20:13

Yeah, Fair enough yeah, oh, actually, maybe maybe they didn't see, maybe they did go looking and there wasn't evidence of a meteor on the ground. Maybe it just suddenly just everything just flattened. Maybe it was a shockwave, almost like an EMP type effect. If the meteor exploded in the atmosphere, pushed down the thing, it would flatten the trees.

Speaker 2 20:33

Oh, it was the pressure of the ah yeah flatten the trees. Yeah, okay, that would make sense. Yeah, so the explosion happened in the sky. Yeah, the shockwaves are what flattened the trees. That was a powerful shockwave.

Speaker 1 20:44

Jesus, wasn't it just?

Speaker 2 20:44

2,000 square. I can't get over this 2,000 square kilometre area in Siberia.

Speaker 1 20:49

Yeah.

Speaker 2 20:50

Siberia's a war zone right.

Speaker 1 20:51

No, no, no, Siberia's like the top end of Russia. It's really cold up there.

Speaker 2 21:04

Oh, no, sorry, that was the case because you wouldn't be flattened by a shock wave.

Speaker 1 21:07

I don't know what year this actually happened. It doesn't say it doesn't, but it does, so there are a couple of alternative theories, one of which was it was a small black hole passing through the earth.

Speaker 2 21:17

Okay, A small black hole passing through the earth.

Speaker 1 21:20

I would have thought we would have been sucked into that. Or a test of Nikola Tesla's wireless power transmission.

Speaker 2 21:27

Okay, so Nikola Tesla was obviously a little bit before our time. Oh yeah well, are you Googling it to see when it actually happened 1908. Okay, so pre-World War. I the explosion over the sparsely populated East Siberian flatland estimated at 80 million trees over a square. It's actually 2,150 square kilometres of forest and eyewitness accounts suggest up to three people may have died Only three people.

Speaker 1 21:53

Yeah.

Speaker 2 21:53

Sorry.

Speaker 1 21:54

I know what you're saying. May they rest in peace. Yeah, I know what you're saying. Only three people for that amount of area.

Speaker 2 21:58

Yeah yeah, the explosion is generally attributed to a meteor airbus, the atmosphere explosion, a stony asteroid. Yeah yeah, that's Ooh, the pictures are Ooh.

Speaker 1 22:10

Jesus. That is, flattened trees, my man, yeah, it is, yeah, that one's nasty, yeesh, okay, cool, nice. So well, we can definitely say this event happened, 100%. This event happened, but we just can't really be 100% explained.

Speaker 2 22:24

Yeah, that's mad.

Speaker 1 22:26

Moving on to the next one, there's the Martha Lights. Martha, martha Lights.

Speaker 2 22:32

I've never heard of this.

Speaker 1 22:35

Basically, they were in the late 19th century, so we're talking 1800s. Lights appeared in the sky. Uh, appeared as glowing albs that shot across the sky. Okay, okay, uh. They looked as though possible kind of atmospheric phenomena okay yeah, and each year, even now, the lights are celebrated annually at the martha lights festival and do remain a tourist attraction. So if, if you look at that, so first documented in the late 19th century, the lights appear as glowing orbs that move unpredictably. So I'm taking it from this these things, people do actually still see them.

Speaker 2 23:12

Yeah, investigations have suggested that atmospheric phenomena such as car headlights refracted by layers of air at different temperatures. The lights are celebrated annually, so what they're saying is that there is.

Speaker 1 23:24

They see these lights every year. Yeah, To me this is something like the Northern Lights.

Speaker 2 23:28

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 23:30

It's just the Aurora Borealis, surely, but?

Speaker 2 23:33

glowing orbs.

Speaker 1 23:34

Because Aurora.

Speaker 2 23:35

Borealis is kind of like.

Speaker 1 23:37

It's more of a wave, isn't it? Wave, wave.

Speaker 2 23:39

Wave after wave.

Speaker 1 23:40

Although we've started seeing the Oral Repulio as far as Norfolk in the past few days yes, and I was away in bloody Amsterdam again, I missed it again.

Speaker 2 23:47

Yeah, I've always been away when they've happened when we've seen the Northern Lights got it. It's your Icelandic heritage coming in. Yeah, it's coming for you. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's celebrated annually and a tourist attraction like there must be an explanation at some point.

Enigmatic Noises and Buried Treasure

Speaker 1 24:03

I'm wondering if it's an annual event. I'm, but even then I'm thinking comets again possibly if they're passing through a certain space.

Speaker 2 24:13

Seasonal, yeah, seasonal something.

Speaker 1 24:15

But I don't know how that would work, how it would only be seen in a localised area and if they're moving unpredictably, comets would be more linear, wouldn't they? If they're spinning around, yeah, if they're spinning around in the, in the air, spinning around, move out of that way. Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 24:31

I don't know about that one. I mean light is light is bendy and I mean it's picked up in multiple ways. I just yeah, I just um yeah.

Speaker 1 24:40

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 24:43

Don't feel that way.

Speaker 1 24:44

Yeah, aliens, aliens, probe and time it's probe and time, it's always aliens, isn't it? It's aliens yeah.

Speaker 2 24:50

So let's, move on.

Speaker 1 24:51

So the next one is the Oak Island Money Pit. Ah. Nova Scotia teenagers discovered a circular depression in the ground, leading to the belief of buried treasure.

Speaker 2 25:09

Hey you guys. This reminds me of crop circles.

Speaker 1 25:15

I went Goonies Straight away. Goonies, goonies, never die.

Speaker 2 25:19

I went with signs.

Speaker 1 25:20

You went with signs.

Speaker 2 25:21

So numerous evacuations have taken. Excavations, excavations Excavations have taken place through layers of wooden platforms, coconut fibres not native to the area and various artefacts.

Speaker 1 25:33

Yeah, so people think there's buried treasure under there. Oh my gosh, it's pirate treasure it is.

Speaker 2 25:38

That's so cool.

Speaker 1 25:39

Yeah.

Speaker 2 25:40

I believe this. I believe this because I think people really did bury their shit. I mean, they didn't have a bank, did they no? So what are they going to do? Bury it in the ground. I think buried treasure is such a thing.

Speaker 1 25:52

There's stuff buried all over the show. Yeah, there really is.

Speaker 2 25:56

And over the years, things like the moors have changed.

Speaker 1 25:59

Yeah, landscape changes, it does.

Speaker 2 26:01

The landscape changes, it's really hard to get back to an area where you've hidden something and most likely you've died prior to getting back to it.

Speaker 1 26:07

Well, that's why we have archaeologists. They find shit all the time. Yeah, you know, like I said, in the last episode we found Sea Henge, so Tomb.

Speaker 2 26:21

Raider yeah, yeah, yeah, that people find I fully, 100% believe this, yeah.

Speaker 1 26:25

Yeah, I really do. So they have found some things, they found some stone inscriptions, some ancient coins and metal fragments, mm-hmm, okay, oh, and there was actually a History Channel show. The Curse of Oak Island continues to explore the pit, documenting ongoing investigations and findings. They just need to send the Goonies down there, They'll find it. What was the pirate's name? What was the pirate's name in the Goonies? No, in the Goonies, captain, something's treasure Pogwash.

Speaker 2 26:56

I have no idea.

Speaker 1 26:57

No, I was going to bug me now. I have no idea. Hey you guys, goonies. Let me now. I have no idea. Hey you guys, oh, goody's Lemon Dice.

Speaker 2 27:05

I like the name of this one the Bloop, the Bloop.

Speaker 1 27:08

The Bloop.

Speaker 2 27:08

Tell me about the Bloop.

Speaker 1 27:10

The Bloop.

Speaker 2 27:10

Oh my gosh, it's in my time frame, my life. You were one when this happened. I was one. You were one when this happened, yay.

Speaker 1 27:20

So this is similar to like one of the other ones in the previous episodes. A noise.

Speaker 2 27:25

Ooh, another noise.

Speaker 1 27:26

It was a noise, it was ultra low frequency under the water.

Speaker 2 27:30

Ooh, this is Underwater.

Speaker 1 27:32

Underwater.

Speaker 2 27:33

I believe in Atlantis.

Speaker 1 27:34

You think this is Atlantis, I still think Atlantis is a thing.

Speaker 1 27:37

I reckon they were like look, we've f***ed this world, we're going to go down in the sea and live, yeah, in our little private bubble yeah, okay, so they this wasn't just one sensor, multiple sensors sound this noise and they called it the bloop, and it was over a vast distance in the pacific ocean and they initially thought it was some kind of animal. So we're talking a megalodon, I suppose. Or the Loch Ness Monster could have got out and went on his holes down to the Bermuda Triangle. There's kind of a merging here.

Speaker 2 28:11

We've merged them all.

Speaker 1 28:13

I get what you're doing, yeah, but they also thought that it could have been ice quakes, which would be the cracking of ice in the Antarctic. Okay, yeah, I mean, you've seen. You've seen recent pictures of the massive ice coming down.

Speaker 2 28:24

Yeah, yeah, it's the clangers. It's the clangers. It's the sea version of the clangers.

Unsolved Mysteries From History

Speaker 1 28:36

So yeah, it's. Yeah, they think it was that of a living creature, but it didn't actually fit any shape of a marine animal. Okay, so the speculation was is this something Sea monster? Is this some kind of sea monster? And it got to a point and basically they concluded that it was just ice.

Speaker 2 28:50

Oh, it was just ice, but people still speculate.

Speaker 1 28:53

But do people speculate that they said it was just the ice to hide away the truth?

Speaker 2 28:59

of a sea monster. Sea monster, the Kraken. Can you imagine?

Speaker 1 29:03

Oh, oh, proper kraken, oh cthulhu okay oh yeah, the kraken, shall we uh? Move on oh, I knew about I've heard of this next one, I heard about this next one as a child, so I've known, yeah, the green children of walpit. So walpit was a village in england and basically in the 1100s of the 12th century, a couple of kids just appeared with green skin. Okay, they completely spoke an unknown language. Okay, and they only ate raw beans.

Speaker 1 29:39

That's all that they would think, while they were green yeah, so no one knows where these kids came from, they just appeared.

Speaker 2 29:46

Is that why it's called Green Giant Sweetcorn? No.

Speaker 1 29:51

So after a little while and I do know this story that the children they learnt to speak English. They lost their green tint, but they could never explain where they came from. They had no recollection of anything beforehand and as they learned English they lost their old language and lost their green tinge.

Speaker 1 30:10

So it's almost like they became human okay but then forgot everything I have another explanation, but okay, okay, yeah so some people actually thought that they, um, they came from another dimension. They came from a subterranean world like atlantis. Um other people just thought they just weren't eating properly.

Speaker 1 30:31

Deficiency yeah, thought when, like, you get yellow if you joined us yeah, um, some people think that they might have been immigrants, you know, coming from a foreign land, which is why they didn't speak the language, and they you know the fact that they were green due to malnutrition and they were just suffering from trauma. What do you reckon?

Speaker 2 30:51

Yes.

Speaker 1 30:53

To what Hannah?

Speaker 2 30:55

I believe that there was probably the boy and the girl, probably siblings, left in the forest was eating whatever they could pick up from the forest floor. Hence, the green tinge as they started to immerse I guess would be the best word with language and the food. It's very likely that their dietary deficiency left them. The boy died by the food. Yeah, it's very likely that their dietary deficiency left them.

Speaker 1 31:19

Yeah, the boy died by the way. So yeah, the girl lived, survived, survived.

Speaker 2 31:25

Lost her green tint.

Speaker 1 31:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2 31:27

I think it's very likely that they were abandoned children and lived off the forest floor. Sorry to say forest, but lived off the. And yeah, and the reason they don't know where they came from is because they couldn't articulate childhood trauma abuse.

Speaker 1 31:42

maybe I'm just going to get out of there. Neglect, neglect, being the best one. Yeah, childhood.

Speaker 2 31:47

That would be my psychological explanation.

Speaker 1 31:50

Okay, We'll go with that. So fairly plausible explanation. Thanks, man. So so Hannah's explained the unexplained mystery of the green children of Walpit.

Speaker 2 32:00

And they would have their own language because they would try and communicate with each other. Yeah, yeah, I am.

Speaker 1 32:04

Well, I wonder, if they were twins, they could have been twinning and having their twin language.

Speaker 2 32:08

Well, it actually makes me think of a supernatural episode with the boy and the girl in the house. Yeah, yeah, do you remember? They lived in the walls and they were neglected.

Speaker 1 32:14

Yeah, and they thought house yeah, yeah, do you remember?

Speaker 2 32:16

they lived in the walls and they were neglected yeah and they thought that they were ghosts, but they weren't. They were just human children that were were feral because they had not been looked after, they'd been neglected. Yeah, um, and they weren't trying to get the people out the house, they were just trying to be like hello, we're here yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 32:32

The next one. Now, this is a mystery that you must have heard of this one, mary celeste. Now, this is a mystery that you must have heard of this one, the Mary Celeste.

Speaker 2 32:41

This was one of those ghost stories we heard as kids. Enlighten me.

Speaker 1 32:43

So basically, the Mary Celeste was a boat. It was a big old ship. It was found adrift in the Atlantic Ocean. The cargo and everything was intact. The ship was in good condition. There was even a story that the table had been set for a meal and was still ready to be set for a meal, but there was no crew on board now the table was set for a meal, but was there any meal cooking?

Speaker 1 33:12

yes, apparently there was food on there as well. Now, this is one again. This could be one of those things where the story goes on, and on, and on, and how well, now this is one. So how? Again? This could be one of those things where the story goes on, and on and on, and how, actually, how? Actually true is this, but it is weird.

Speaker 2 33:24

She was in good condition, with no signs of struggle or foul play, and the life and the lifeboat was missing.

Speaker 1 33:30

It's like okay, so did they get into the lifeboat and did they bugger off?

Speaker 2 33:33

Well, that would be my first instinct.

Speaker 1 33:35

So where are they?

Speaker 2 33:36

Mutiny, piracy.

Speaker 1 33:38

Piracy, a sudden sea quake or a methane gas explosion causing the crew to abandon ship. So they had to get off that boat quickly. Benjamin Briggs was the name of the captain, and the boat had seven crew members, along with Briggs' wife and daughter, and nobody has ever found out exactly what happened to them.

Speaker 2 34:00

Okay, I have a theory.

Speaker 1 34:02

I have a theory, could be bunnies.

Speaker 2 34:04

I have a theory that they probably were in the midst of dinner, okay, and something probably happened If the lifeboat was missing it makes me think that they probably got on it.

Speaker 1 34:14

Yeah, if the lifeboat was still there, I think it would be more of a mystery to me.

Speaker 2 34:20

Okay, but lifeboats can go missing very easily because there's no way of what's the word? Directing them like steering steering.

Speaker 1 34:26

So we're talking like we say, because they're compasses. No, anything like they just probably got yeah lost and sunk and the bodies and the boat has been lost to the sea forever I would assume so yeah, I would assume they would have got into trouble there.

Speaker 2 34:39

It doesn't mean that the boat itself had got into trouble. I'm more likely thinking sickness.

Speaker 1 34:45

Okay, yeah, I don't know, or do you think maybe they might have found Treasure? No, I'm just Atlantis.

Speaker 2 34:53

They're in Atlantis.

Speaker 1 34:53

Yeah, I'm just wondering if they might have then gone to a colony and they called their boat Croatoan.

Speaker 2 35:02

Maybe, maybe. I know that ghost ships happen and I know that the sea can be its own beast.

Speaker 1 35:12

It can be relentless, and it can be vicious and violent.

Speaker 2 35:15

It looks like they had to leave, and leave in a hurry, so something happened.

Speaker 1 35:17

Something happened, although there was no signs of anything, and it can be vicious and violent.

Speaker 2 35:19

It looks like they had to leave and leave in a hurry, mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 35:20

So something happened, something happened.

Speaker 2 35:21

Although there was no signs of anything.

Speaker 1 35:23

No sign of a struggle.

Speaker 2 35:24

They probably just had to leave quickly.

Speaker 1 35:26

Yeah, in a rush. Okay, and the last one. Ooh, I actually read this as Piri Piri map originally, so I take this as the Piri Reis map.

Speaker 2 35:35

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 35:37

So in 1513, a world map was created by an Ottoman admiral, Piri Reis. Okay, and interestingly though, there's something very interesting about this particular map. So the map depicted parts of Europe, Africa and America, and is notable for its detailed and accurate coastline. So, in fact, this guy was this was a bloody good map that this guy had written, but Good job, Ottoman Admiral.

Speaker 1 36:02

Indeed, indeed. So their map appeared to show parts of Antarctica free from ice, suggesting knowledge predating modern discoveries. So this guy had written, drawn a coastline of Antarctica, what Antarctica looked like under the ice. No one knows where he got this information from.

Speaker 2 36:20

That's interesting.

Speaker 1 36:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2 36:22

Suggesting that either the ice wasn't there, yeah, when he created the map.

Speaker 1 36:29

Or he got the map from other sources. Like where did he get these other sources from?

Speaker 2 36:33

Oh, I see yeah yeah, yeah. Ah, okay.

Speaker 1 36:39

But it shows that there was. So the accuracy of the coastline and the depiction of an ice-free Antarctic coast suggests advanced knowledge or lost ancient maps. So he basically knew what Antarctica looked like underneath all that ice. How the hell did he know that? Well, if he come across a bunch of maps of Antarctica and they were all the same- yeah, yeah, but who would have done those maps and how old were those maps which would suggest that people had travelled to Antarctica?

Speaker 2 37:06

Yeah.

Speaker 1 37:06

Hundreds upon thousands, maybe thousands of years ago.

Speaker 2 37:09

What's more interesting is the fact that they Well, what's more interesting is that the ice wasn't there.

Speaker 1 37:15

Yeah.

Speaker 2 37:15

Suggesting that the world actually had lived with the ice caps melted.

Speaker 1 37:19

Exactly which? Is even weirder, the polar, the Earth, had shifted on its axis somehow.

Speaker 2 37:26

Well, we already know it's slightly off kilter, don't we?

Speaker 1 37:30

So it would have been pointed more towards the sun, maybe, which means less ice. But then when it shifted, that's when the ice created, maybe after an ice age. But if that was the case, then what civilization was living there in antarctica to know what it looked like before the ice?

Speaker 2 37:44

yeah, the suggestion is not he. He has never lived where there's no ice no, no, no, no no the suggestion is wherever he got his sources from. Yeah, there was. Wow. How do we know that's? That's accurate now that is accurate.

Speaker 1 37:57

wow, because also when they did it at the time, he was so detailed with the South American coast and this was just as detailed. Ooh, Ooh, spooky.

Speaker 2 38:08

It is kind of spooky.

Speaker 1 38:10

Isn't it? I like this one.

Speaker 2 38:12

Yeah, this one intrigues me the most. Yeah, out of even the previous episode.

Speaker 1 38:16

Yeah, I like this one. Yeah, yeah, out of even the previous episode, yeah, I like this one yeah. Because Antarctica is a little bit of an enigma anyway.

Speaker 2 38:21

I mean it's hard to research there and go there because-.

Speaker 1 38:25

It's just so cold.

Speaker 2 38:26

Well, we're not designed for that cold, are we as humans, really?

Speaker 1 38:28

But also Antarctica is one of the only continents where every other country has got a stake to it.

Speaker 2 38:33

You know that.

Speaker 1 38:35

It's not owned by one country. Everyone's know that it's not owned by one country. Everyone's got their own territories within antarctica for exploration and research purposes. It does make you wonder, like what is underneath all that ice?

Speaker 2 38:45

wow, there has to be some sort of land. Yeah, yeah right. Antarctica does intrigue me as does iceland as does iceland cold, cold, cold things cold things. Well, we hope you enjoyed the second part of our Unexplained Mysteries episode. If you want to get talking to us, we are on our socials. We've got Instagram. We do have a Facebook as well. Apparently, we have a Twitter, but I don't ever look at it. But you're on it, so I guess.

Speaker 1 39:11

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Speaker 2 39:20

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