Unexplained Mysteries Part One

Could a single region of the ocean hold the secrets to some of history's most baffling disappearances? Join Hannah and Davey as we navigate the choppy waters of the Bermuda Triangle, where planes and ships have vanished without a trace. With our croaky voices lending an eerie flair, we unravel the threads of these nautical mysteries, comparing them to modern enigmas like the missing Malaysian flight. From conspiracy theories involving methane bubbles to the bemusement over Florida’s size compared to the UK, we bring a mix of scientific scrutiny and cheeky humor to this puzzling phenomenon.

Ever wondered if the Voynich Manuscript was just a medieval prank or something far more sinister? In this episode, we get lost in the undeciphered pages of this mysterious tome, hypothesizing its origins and pondering over its bizarre illustrations. Then, we shift our gaze to the cosmos as we discuss the Wow Signal, a puzzling blip from the universe that has left scientists scratching their heads for decades. Our speculations take us on a whimsical journey, imagining the manuscript as a medieval tabloid while diving into the tantalizing prospect of alien communications.

The whispers of ancient legends echo as we explore the Loch Ness Monster, the cryptic Phaistos Disc, and the saga of the lost Roanoke Colony. We take a thrilling ride through the chilling tales of the Zodiac Killer and Jack the Ripper, weaving together threads of historical legend and modern myth. With each mystery, we unravel a tapestry of theories and cultural impacts that keep these stories alive in the public imagination. Whether you're a history buff or just curious about the unknown, this episode promises to keep your curiosity piqued and your imagination engaged.

Transcript

Unexplained Mysteries

Speaker 1 0:00

Hello and welcome to Bonus Dad. Bonus Daughter a special father-daughter podcast with me Hannah and me, davy, where we discuss our differences, similarities, share a few laughs and stories. Within our ever-changing and complex world, Each week we will discuss a topic from our own point of view and influences throughout the decades or you could choose one by contacting us via email, instagram, facebook or TikTok links in bio.

Speaker 2 0:24

Hello and welcome to. Did I just scare you?

Speaker 1 0:27

Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 0:28

I just made you jump.

Speaker 1 0:31

I was looking at the screen.

Speaker 2 0:37

Hello and welcome to another episode of Bonus Dad, bonus Daughter podcast, with me, hannah and Davey, who's apparently just jumped out of a skin and left the building. Well, yeah, well, because Hello.

Speaker 1 0:47

Well, because, like at the start of each episode, we do like a five second gap so that I can just so in case there's any kind of background noise, then I can like cut that noise out the rest of the podcast. So I was still looking at the screen and it hit the five seconds, and then you just come in with a hello jesus, hello there jesus work me hearties, I don't know why I went all pirate either. You did go a little bit pirate there, um.

Speaker 2 1:11

So, uh, just to explain my, um, my croaky voice, um, I have got a little bit of a cold, so apologies in advance, but I think, uh, I've just got a sultry sound that you're just gonna have to cope with. For marianna frost drop yeah, for a of episodes. Still don't know who that is. You mentioned that last time, but I don't know who that is. So yeah, so this episode is on unexplained mysteries.

Speaker 1 1:32

Yes, and it's going to be a two-parter as well.

Speaker 2 1:34

Oh, you already know it's going to be a two-parter.

Speaker 1 1:36

I already know that, because this is a long one.

Speaker 2 1:39

We did an episode on conspiracy theories and you guys seem to really like it, so we thought we'd do something about unexplained mysteries instead. So we're going to hit a few of those and, um, yeah, we hope you enjoy this. Uh, slightly different episode from the bonus dad, bonus daughter crew. Oh, I needed a breath there.

Speaker 1 1:57

Oh, I don't know why I didn't take a breath at any other time, but well I I googled like the top 20 kind of yeah, kind of unexplained mysteries there were.

Speaker 2 2:05

Chat GVT eh.

Speaker 1 2:06

Yeah, and some of these I've heard of and some of them I haven't.

Speaker 2 2:13

Ooh for you that's unheard of. I know you know about all of the mysteries.

Speaker 1 2:19

I know, but some of these I've not actually heard of and they're really interesting reading when I read through some of these so we're going to do uh, the plan is to do 10 mysteries in this episode.

Speaker 2 2:30

Yeah, we're recording this around halloween time, so we thought this was bringing like the spooky vibes exactly. Yeah, um, without going to halloween, but we will have a dedicated halloween episode which will come out on halloween because it lands on a thursday I have a feeling this one might actually come out after the Halloween episode. Okay well.

Speaker 1 2:47

Because today's date is what the 13th of October.

Speaker 2 2:50

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:53

Yeah, I think this might come out just after the Halloween episode.

Speaker 2 2:56

Yes, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 2:58

Yeah, I'll put them out just afterwards to that kind of three weeks.

Speaker 2 3:02

Yeah, okay. Well, it's still spooky season in my book. It is still spooky season. Let's talk about unexplained mysteries. Let's go for it.

Speaker 1 3:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2 3:09

Start from the top Start from the top.

Speaker 1 3:10

From the top, hannah. Yes, have you ever heard of the Bermuda Triangle?

Speaker 2 3:20

I have heard of the Bermuda Triangle. Okay, basically all I know where it is. No, is it, I want to say, like eastern?

Speaker 1 3:26

It's just off the coast of America.

Speaker 2 3:28

Oh.

Speaker 1 3:28

Yeah, it's quite off the coast of Central America.

Speaker 2 3:31

Oh, like Caribbean yeah around there.

Speaker 1 3:33

Oh, it's Caribbean.

Speaker 2 3:34

I don't know why. Whatever made me feel it was more eastern, like near India, between India and like Australia.

Speaker 1 3:40

I know it's a expansive space, but yeah, no, I think the triangle itself is like miami, bermuda and puerto rico wow, that kind of area there. Yeah, I see forming a little bit of a triangle so miami florida says that, that edge of oh wow, okay, yeah, that's where it is.

Speaker 2 3:56

This is east coast of east, south coast of america yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 3:59

So what have you heard? Or what? What do you? What do you know about it?

Speaker 2 4:03

my understanding is that a lot of flights slash, boats, go missing Planes. Sorry, I don't know what else are flights, but planes and boats just seem to disappear in this area through no proven explanation.

Speaker 1 4:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2 4:18

Maybe might be the best wording for that.

Speaker 1 4:20

There are theories. Yeah, oh, there are many theories, but when I was growing up, it always seemed like the Bermuda Tri triangle was like this place, that if you went there, that was it, you would. You never come, you never come back. But thinking about it now, they probably have millions or thousands of flights and thousands of boats go over that area every single day. Yeah, so it seemed like it's a bit like the quicksand thing. When I was growing up. Quicksand seemed to be a big problem when I was growing up.

Speaker 2 4:43

Too much Indiana Jones.

Speaker 1 4:45

Yeah, and you know, quicksand seemed and Bermuda triangle was in that kind of in that vein as well.

Speaker 2 4:51

Yeah, Uh, so yeah, that's crazy to me. You're worried about, like nuclear warfare, quicksand and the Bermuda triangle.

Speaker 1 4:59

Oh, you have no idea. Oh, oh, I sent you a text the other day, didn't I? It's all about nuclear warfare. Threads is back on telly.

Speaker 2 5:10

Oh Threads, yeah, you did send that to me actually it hasn't been on telly for 20 years. I thought you meant Threads as in, like the Instagram's Twitter.

Speaker 1 5:17

No, no, no, no, no Threads as in the 1980s film that we watched at school. 1980s film that we watched at school. Yeah, you've got to watch it and you'll see what I mean. It will terrify you, okay, absolutely. I suppose it's a bit dated now, but it'll terrify you, okay.

Speaker 2 5:31

But Anyway, Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 1 5:33

Let's go back to the Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 2 5:34

Let's get back on topic. Yeah.

Solving the Bermuda Triangle Mysteries

Speaker 1 5:37

We've got a lot to cover. So there was a couple of notable. There was some US Navy bombers on a training mission in 1945 disappeared and also the rescue plane sent after them also disappeared.

Speaker 2 5:53

Sorry, that's not funny. I don't know why I laughed that was more of a nervous laugh, yeah.

Speaker 1 5:56

And also there was the SS Marine Sulphur Queen that disappeared in 1963 with a full crew of 39 on it Just disappeared.

Speaker 2 6:05

And presumably not found to this day.

Speaker 1 6:07

Never found to this day, wow, never found Like the Malaysian flight.

Speaker 2 6:12

Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:12

Yeah, similar type of situation.

Speaker 2 6:15

I don't know. With the advancements of technology today, it baffles me that things go missing.

Speaker 1 6:21

Yeah, but when you think about the ocean, I mean it's vast. Yeah, but when you think about the ocean, I mean it's vast.

Speaker 2 6:27

I get that, but it's like why do we not have something that's like a locator? How come that doesn't work?

Speaker 1 6:34

They do, they do.

Speaker 2 6:36

Well, I know they have like a black box and I know that side of things, but I just but again, it's technology, isn't it?

Speaker 1 6:42

If the technology fails, then it's not there. But I just but again, it's technology, isn't it? If the technology fails, then it's not there. Yeah, I guess that's that, isn't it? It's not there. I guess it's that.

Speaker 2 6:47

But sometimes it just freaks me out that a full plane of like 100 people can just Disappear, disappear. And the weird events that lead up to that. I think one of the Malaysian Air Flight people left their wallet and their keys at home and their keys at home, which is like the weirdest thing ever and you think why.

Speaker 1 7:04

Yeah, but then going down the conspiracy theories.

Speaker 2 7:05

I know we're going down the conspiracy theories, but I just think, do they have some sort of inkling? Do they know?

Speaker 1 7:11

I don't know, I just yeah, I don't know, but again, it's the way your mind works. It looks for patterns.

Speaker 2 7:18

Yeah, I'm looking for an explanation, yeah.

Speaker 1 7:20

Explanation yeah, you look for patterns and you look for things like that. I mean, that's how your mind works, Like okay, so they left their stuff at home, so they knew that something was going to go wrong.

Speaker 2 7:27

But actually maybe they just were so busy in the morning that they forgot to pick it up. It was like the last thing to pick up, it's just loads of those crazy little things.

Speaker 1 7:35

Complete coincidence.

Speaker 2 7:47

So what do you think the theories are about the Bermuda? Well, without looking at our script yeah, script, bullet points there must be a natural explanation for it. There must be some sort of riptide, or well, I'm thinking of boats, sorry, but there must be something there that that is either throwing off the signal, like some sort of natural occurring block of metal or iron or something I don't know. I don't know enough about this stuff to know, but there's got to be a natural explanation of that particular area of the world. Or maybe there's a part of me that thinks that actually there's lots of missing airlines and missing boats that happen all the time, but the only ones that are ever publicised are the ones that are in the Bermuda Triangle, because there's already a hype about it. Yeah, there's already a hype about it.

Speaker 1 8:24

Yeah, there's kind of stigma attached to that area.

Speaker 2 8:27

I'm sure there's flights and boats that go missing all of the time and we probably don't hear about it, so I don't know.

Speaker 1 8:36

There's a few theories, like you said. There's the natural theory, which is currents Gulf Stream currents methane. What's stopping the instruments from working theory, which is currents Gulf?

Speaker 2 8:45

Stream currents, methane, okay, methane. What's stopping the instruments from working?

Speaker 1 8:47

Yeah Well, causing like water density changes.

Speaker 2 8:51

Okay.

Speaker 1 8:51

So if you think but this is still boats, this is not planes, yeah, but yeah, if you think about water and how the water is, and also like in the air, you know when you hit turbulence-.

Speaker 2 8:58

Oh, like air pressure. Air pressure, yeah, so you drop or you know.

Speaker 1 9:02

I suppose you could say the same thing could be, because I think the Mariana Trench is around in that area as well.

Speaker 2 9:07

I was just thinking that actually there is like a really deep because, isn't forgive me, my geography is really rubbish, but you just said Miami is one of the points and isn't Florida on a tectonic plate edge.

Speaker 1 9:18

Oh God, yeah, yeah, yeah, because that's how come they get so many earthquakes and hurricanes. Look what's just happened. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 9:23

I mean very recently a very recent hurricane has destroyed a lot of well, not a lot of Florida that's a large place, but yeah.

Speaker 1 9:33

Because of the way that the yeah.

Speaker 2 9:34

So it's well known for its weather patterns, or extreme weather patterns, maybe, I should say.

Speaker 1 9:39

And also, if you think about you know you're out in the I mean the North Sea as well where we are.

Speaker 2 9:52

I mean, that's notoriously, notoriously dangerous because of the sheer height of some of the waves. So we don't get. We're quite lucky. We don't get any earthquakes. Very rarely do we get anything close to a hurricane or tornado. We've had little like wind whips, like little twisters, haven't we?

Speaker 1 9:59

but nothing oh, I saw something really funny on instagram yesterday. You, um, we were sat watching telly last and your mum looked at me and said why are you laughing? And I just showed her my phone and it was a picture of Florida Right, and it said like it put Florida over the UK and how big Florida is compared to the UK and it pretty much covers all of it. And somebody had put said, well, if we had the hurricanes in the UK, where on earth would we evacuate? To Top comment the Winchester.

Speaker 2 10:29

Very good, very good yeah.

Speaker 1 10:32

I loved it.

Speaker 2 10:32

Have a pint and wait for it all to blow over. Exactly.

Speaker 1 10:35

Exactly so. Yeah, so there's the natural explanations, like weather, essentially weather and methane and that type. There are a few supernatural theories there, oh, go on.

Speaker 2 10:46

Of course there are, go on.

Speaker 1 10:47

I'm intrigued. What do you think the top supernatural theory for the Bermuda Triangle is?

Speaker 2 10:51

it's got to be aliens. It's aliens, it's probentam. Just Paul sitting there, yeah, wiggling his fingers. Yeah, it's probentam bitches yeah yeah, what else?

Speaker 1 11:05

Time warps.

Speaker 2 11:08

What like Rocky Horror Picture Show just there? Yeah, it's astounding, time is fleeting Madness takes its toll and they're just all on the boat and they're all like it's just a jump to the left Doing the time warp. It just a jump to the left Doing the time warp. It's a jump to the left and a step to the right. Put your hands on your hips. Maybe they have to do the dance in order to not be like, you know, not get treacherous times, and if all crew do not participate, that's it. They're all done.

Speaker 1 11:45

Yeah, and halfway through this, frankenfurter comes down the middle of the thing and goes I see you've met my faithful handyman. How do you do? Eh, anyway, but the time warp is not the actual time warp from Rocky but, the time warp theory. I remember reading this in a book years ago and it was, like you know especially with the plane in 1945, that they think it went through a rip in time.

Speaker 2 12:14

That's just so sci-fi isn't it Isn't it just? It just makes me think of Lost, but I, because I'm watching, I'm watching, I think I'm now very much. I'm coming to the end of Lost now. We're in the one, I think, the last season. Before that we're in the penultimate season. Sorry is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, and it's now gone into the time. Warp theory.

Speaker 1 12:34

Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, because that makes me think of Lost.

Speaker 2 12:37

I don't know, that's a bit too sci-fi for me. Yeah, a bit Bit too there. But the lost technology from the mythical city of Atlantis I can get on board with.

Speaker 1 12:45

Okay, yeah, yeah. Why do you think that then?

Speaker 2 12:47

Because if there is an ancient civilization because we know that the pyramids were built, we know that Stonehenge was built, we know things like that where people did have the technology, there's also been found like a battery and things like that have been lost, right?

Speaker 1 13:02

Mm-hmm the Baghdad battery.

Speaker 2 13:03

So maybe there is a city underwater that is stopping people from getting to it because they're like this little society of not I'm not saying like fish people, I just mean like actual people, Fish people. And I reckon they've got a bit of technology and they knew that the world was going to go kaput, so they all went underground in the sea. I am more likely to believe that than aliens and time warps. But you know, each to their own.

Speaker 1 13:32

But then there's the other side and that there's magnetic issues in that area. I suggested this a minute ago, didn't I? That's what I mean by iron.

Speaker 2 13:44

I'm wondering if there's a lot of metal in the rocks and things in the sea or something and a part of me kind of thinks that that would stop or skew.

Speaker 1 13:53

maybe might be the better word yeah, you think you're heading back to Florida, when in fact you're actually heading south and you're going towards Antarctica.

Speaker 2 14:05

A compass works right by magnetic. It's by magnetic forces. Yeah, I imagine a lot of technology has also got some sort of magnetic base as a backup, let alone GPS and satellites and things like that. So there's a part of me that probably thinks oh, you know, maybe there's a part of the world that doesn't always, you know, it's not always absolute.

Speaker 1 14:20

Yeah, exactly, I mean you know it's very easy to get lost. Very is absolute. Yeah, exactly, I mean you know it's very easy to get lost, Very easy to get lost, and especially if you're in the sea. Yeah, because everything looks the same.

Speaker 2 14:28

So, unless you I mean, I get lost in my own housing estate. Exactly, exactly. Imagine navigating a blue sea, like it's just everywhere. There's no landmarks, no nothing.

Speaker 1 14:39

And, like I said in the, I got taken only a few but I didn't realise I travelled that period, you know, across that sea. And you go in the middle of the ocean and your navigation tools stop working. You're buggered, you're buggered, you're buggered. You could go anywhere. Yeah, you could go anywhere. So that's the Bermuda Triangle. Cool. So what do you think? Do you think supernatural, or just a general explanation? Or do you think it's been blown out of proportion?

Speaker 2 15:07

Blown out of proportion, I reckon, is. I think there's probably some sort of. My guess would be magnetic something or other, but caused by the occupants of the city of Atlantis.

Speaker 1 15:19

Okay, yeah, so that's what you're going with Aquaman's behind this.

Speaker 2 15:24

I think that technology was definitely evolved more than we think it was back in the day, and I reckon a lot of it's got lost.

Speaker 1 15:32

Yeah, oh, I agree with you on that one.

Speaker 2 15:34

Because how did they transport the stones of Stonehenge?

Speaker 1 15:38

And the building of the constellations and Stonehenge, the way that it was built.

Speaker 2 15:43

Yeah, and the pyramids themselves are. I've never been, but they yeah. There's definitely more technology we're not aware of.

Enigmatic Voynich Manuscript & Wow Signal

Speaker 1 15:51

I completely agree with you on that one. Okay, so Moving on. Moving on to the Voynich Manuscript.

Speaker 2 15:58

Never heard of this.

Speaker 1 15:59

This is one of the ones I've never heard of.

Speaker 2 16:01

Oh, let's discover together then.

Speaker 1 16:03

So this is a manuscript that contains 240 pages with intricate illustrations of identified plants, Unidentified plants. Unidentified plants sorry, Astrological charts and nude figures.

Speaker 2 16:17

Nude figures. I love how it's basically oh, here's some plants, here's some space shit and then here's some porn. Yeah, okay, cool so this is porn.

Speaker 1 16:34

This is porn, space porn, space plant porn. Apparently it was found by a guy called Wilfred Voynich.

Speaker 2 16:43

Ah, which is where the Voynich manuscript name comes from.

Speaker 1 16:46

Okay, okay, yep 1912 in a Jesuit college in Italy. So 1912,.

Speaker 2 16:50

This is World War I time right.

Speaker 1 16:52

Just before, just before World War I, just pre-World War I.

Speaker 2 16:55

Okay, that's quite modern recent.

Speaker 1 16:58

Yeah, okay, and it said that it was radiocarbon. Dating places its creation around the early 15th century.

Speaker 2 17:04

Wow, that it was radiocarbon dating places its creation around the early 15th century Wow 15th, so about 1400s. Yes.

Speaker 1 17:08

Yeah, yeah. Okay, Cool Now immediately when I've read that, and you know, I thought, okay, find a Jesuit college in Italy. So Italy, I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 17:18

Remind me, what Jesuit college is.

Speaker 1 17:20

You're sorry.

Speaker 2 17:21

Jesuit.

Speaker 1 17:27

Jes is you're sorry, jesuit, jesuit, jewish college, no, no, it's more christianity. Oh sorry, but um you think italy, italy's near rome. The vatican, yes, there's all sorts of conspiracy theories about all sorts of stuff well, they've got history that they don't share, that's basically, yeah, there's all.

Speaker 1 17:38

So I'm just thinking, okay, could this be something that came out of the vatican? Could this be one of those documents that you, you know, the general public's not allowed to see because of all the secrets that's under the Vatican? So apparently, during World War II, they tried to crack the code of this manuscript.

Speaker 2 18:00

Is this Alan turning time?

Speaker 1 18:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2 18:02

Oh okay, maybe he had a stake in the claim, yeah, yeah. Oh okay, maybe he had a stake in the claim, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 18:06

And apparently we've recently tried to use AI to decipher the text and still can't understand what it is. Oh, so it's in something crazy Crazy coding In some weird kind of code language. So go on. What do you think? Where do you think this thing came from? Space plant porn space plant porn.

Speaker 2 18:26

Um, I mean, this could just be a magazine, but like it's readers weekly yeah it's like readers digest, but like it's 14th century, it's the sun, but like it's a tabloid magazine, it's like hello. But back when, yeah, yeah, maybe it's just it's, but it's a tabloid magazine, it's like hello.

Speaker 1 18:49

But back when. Yeah, maybe it's just a local newspaper.

Speaker 2 18:51

Or it could be a love With a page three model in it, I don't know.

Speaker 1 18:54

It depends what it says, I guess, if it's just like, I mean it's like Gardener's Weekly with a reader's wife section at the end.

Speaker 2 19:02

Yeah, yeah, I reckon that's what it is. I don't think there's anything. It's weird that they can't decipher it. But what if that is just something that someone made like a comic, or someone's just journal that someone has taken and now trying to decipher their inner thoughts of this person? This could be Anne Frank's diary, but 14th century it could be someone's journal, exactly Like a dear diary. Maybe they were really into plants, really into space, and obviously just needed to have some alone time. I don't know. I don't think this is weird.

Speaker 2 19:41

I think it's weird that people try to decipher someone's journal. That's weird about it. Yeah, I'm cool is weird. You don't think this is weird? Nah, I think it's weird that people try to decipher someone's journal.

Speaker 1 19:47

That's weird about it. Yeah, I'm cool with that, You're cool with it. So there are some theories. Apparently, they do think that it was either an elaborate hoax or there was a medical or botanical reference book which is kind of what you.

Speaker 2 19:57

That kind of makes a lot of sense. Human body references that does sound very medical to me. Maybe I should have gone down that route rather than porn, but um, I don't know where my brain is today but, um, yeah, yeah, that makes.

Speaker 1 20:09

It makes more sense that it's a medical it's some kind of early, yeah early 14th century medical journal that would make more sense to me yeah, written, written by well again, because languages get lost as well, don't they? Throughout time, exactly time.

Speaker 2 20:21

Exactly. I mean, you know, 14th century, 15th century. I keep saying 14th, sorry, 15th century. That's a long time ago.

Speaker 1 20:27

You know, yeah, okay, so that is the. Yeah, I've never heard of that.

Speaker 2 20:32

No.

Speaker 1 20:33

Never heard of that one.

Speaker 2 20:34

I'm okay with that being a mystery.

Speaker 1 20:36

Yeah, do you know what? Sometimes I like the fact that they are unexplained.

Speaker 2 20:41

Yeah.

Speaker 1 20:41

You know, because when you do find out the truth, it's often quite disappointing.

Speaker 2 20:45

Yeah, it's like oh okay, I like to think it's like medieval porn.

Speaker 1 20:51

But have you ever heard of the wow signal?

Speaker 2 20:54

I have heard of the wow signal, but I'm going to have to remind myself exactly why I've heard of the wow signal.

Speaker 1 20:58

Well, you take this one, because do you know what kind of popped into my head?

Speaker 2 21:07

one, because do you know what kind of popped into my head go on wow, wow.

Speaker 1 21:08

What's his name?

Speaker 2 21:08

wilson, well, owen, wilson, owen, wilson, wow, wow so I think the wow signal was something that was um, I have just kind of read on a little bit, but yeah, it was a signal from space, right that they detected. Yeah, yeah, it's a strong narrowband radio signal. We've got the hertz, we've got 1,420. Is that megahertz?

Speaker 1 21:27

That's megahertz. Yeah, 1,420 megahertz.

Speaker 2 21:29

Yeah, which is the hydrogen line making it significant in the search for extraterrestrial life. So I think the idea is that this has come from space and potentially life in space.

Speaker 1 21:41

Yeah, it could be a signal from an alien kind of life form.

Speaker 2 21:46

You know, I think we would be naive to think that we are the only intelligent life.

Speaker 1 21:52

Yeah, I know, in this entire universe. I agree with you.

Speaker 2 21:55

Like it's big, and I know we were. You know we came about by chance. It's like Goldilocks principle it's just right. And then you know, we evolved over time. I think we would be silly to think that we are the only ones. I think, even if we bring religion into this, an all-powerful, knowing, omnipotent God, would have been very cool to make several civilizations and several intelligent life forms, even if you want to go down that route as well.

Speaker 2 22:23

Whatever your beliefs are, I would struggle to think that we are the only life form out there.

Speaker 1 22:29

No, I totally agree. I think it would be very naive to think that we are the only life form. I mean, it's interesting you use the word intelligent life as well. So I mean when we were on….

Speaker 2 22:39

There's probably some bugs out there somewhere as well. Of course there is.

Speaker 1 22:42

Yeah, of course there is. Life will evolve from certain conditions. I mean, you look at, I read the other day actually, because of the way that the Earth is moving, if the Earth stopped spinning for a second we would be catapulted like 80,000 miles because of the speed that we're at. You know what you're saying. It's the Goldilocks principle and how we've evolved to live in this kind of atmosphere. So there's got to be other planets with atmosphere where other life forms have evolved to live within that kind of atmosphere.

Speaker 2 23:12

Yeah, there's got to be. We can't be the only ones. It hurts my brain to think about it and sometimes when I think about it I get really sad because I feel like there's a lack of purpose in your life when you think of where we've evolved and where we've come from. But I don't know. It would be weird if there wasn't other life forms out there, intelligent life forms.

Speaker 1 23:32

Again, it's one of those thoughts that the answer, whichever way, is still equally scary.

Speaker 2 23:38

Yeah, it's very scary to think about. Yeah, if we are alone, then oh God, god we're alone, god, we're alone, yeah.

Speaker 1 23:45

But the fact that if we're not alone, it'll be okay. So what are our neighbours like?

Speaker 2 23:51

Hi, yeah, hi, we're Earth, yeah.

Speaker 1 23:57

Would you like a lasagna? Yeah, lasagna is your first go-to. Welcome to your neighbourhood, welcome to the neighbourhood.

Speaker 2 24:05

What if the only only thing they ever found like on the satellites and like this is extra life was Garfield and they're like, yeah, we're not visiting them, like they worship a cat. Nah, not for us.

Speaker 1 24:16

Yeah well, this is, this is what gets me. It's like how many, how many times do you think we've had a spacecraft fly by? They've had a little look in their telescope and gone. Nah, keep going.

Speaker 2 24:27

They're destroying themselves.

Speaker 1 24:29

Keep going. Sorry to get political, but yeah keep going.

Speaker 2 24:32

They're already destroying their climate. Nah, they're not worth it.

Speaker 1 24:36

But apparently, yeah, they found this signal back in 77 and they've never found it again. They've never found it again. They've never found it again. But also again, sound is a weird thing in that you can only hear. I mean, sound exists, the hertz, and that exists where it is.

Speaker 2 24:56

You're listening to us now. Sound exists.

Speaker 1 24:58

And I've learnt this over the years and dealing with audio, quite a lot is that you can only hear within certain frequency bands. Dogs can hear higher. Exactly. I mean, have you ever done that hearing test?

Speaker 2 25:09

Yes.

Speaker 1 25:09

You can do it on.

Speaker 2 25:10

YouTube. I'm rubbish at it.

Speaker 1 25:11

Yeah, but you can only hear to a certain point, depending on how old you are. Your ears can only hear within a band of frequencies, and it's the old adage, isn't it? It's saying well, if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? Yes, it creates sound waves, but whether there's a receptor to, pick those sound waves up.

Speaker 2 25:28

There's nowhere to hear them.

Speaker 1 25:29

Yeah, but it does still create those waves. There are millions upon millions of sound waves, even, like you know, if you're listening to the radio in the car, or even Spotify, like even listening to this podcast, it's being sent out over a Wi-Fi signal which you can't hear, but when it gets to the speakers, that's when it interprets it and makes it sound and makes it that vibration.

Speaker 2 25:52

And we can naturally block out sound as well. We could be reading on a bus. That's actually quite busy, but we can almost zone out or tune out some of that, if you're really engrossed in your book example.

Speaker 2 26:05

Yeah, um, you can absolutely like zone out to things naturally as well. So, yeah, there's that side of it too. Um, but yeah, this wild signal do I think it's come from the et. I think maybe the sound might have been another planet crashing into another planet and it just gave off a particular signal with the explosion it could have. There's so many things that it could be yeah, I mean, they've never heard it again. I just think, if there was et that close, would would they come and say hi?

Speaker 2 26:30

well, if we found et would we go and say hi? No, we'd probably blow them up see, that's the thing, it's the fear isn't it? It's like what they could be do. I think we've already found ET. We probably have.

Speaker 1 26:43

I think there's things going on that we don't know about.

Speaker 2 26:46

Area 51.

Speaker 1 26:47

Paul probing time.

Speaker 2 26:49

Yeah, so I don't know yeah.

Speaker 1 26:52

Well, I mean a couple of theories are that it could have been reflection of some debris.

Speaker 2 26:56

It could have been a signal. Yeah, it could be us like coming back to us.

Speaker 1 27:00

Exactly, it could have been extraterrestrial beings, but it's one of those things, because we've never heard it since. I don't think we're ever going to know.

Speaker 2 27:08

And in 1977, this was two years after you were born. Technology, as we have spoken about so many times, has evolved since then, so if we heard it again, we might have a better understanding of Exactly yeah. Also, I would like to know what it sounded like. There's a part of me that might google that after this yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 27:26

Well, it says a strong narrowband radio signal. So I assume it would be like yeah, it was a dolphin saying so long and thanks for all the fish. Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, oh, okay. Well, moving on to the next one. The next one is very similar. It says it's another noise, it's the Taos hum.

Speaker 2 27:45

Never heard of this.

Speaker 1 27:46

No, I haven't either.

Speaker 2 27:48

Described as a faint droning sound akin to a distant diesel engine, heard about 2% of the population in certain areas. Oh, so it's been heard by multiple people.

Speaker 1 27:58

Yeah.

Speaker 2 27:58

Apart from Taos, new Mexico's, similar hums have been reported worldwide, including in the UK and Canada. We From Taos, new Mexico. Similar hums have been reported worldwide, including in the UK and Canada. We've heard it as well. Studies have attempted to measure the sound, with some detecting low frequency noise, but the exact source remains unidentified. Okay, oh, the hum has led to health issues such as headaches, sleep disturbances and, in extreme cases, psychological distress.

Speaker 1 28:22

So basically, it's tinnitus Essentially, essentially. Yeah, yeah, man, that sounds more medical. So basically, it's tinnitus essentially, essentially. Yeah, yeah, man, I mean, that sounds more medical it does sound a little medical, doesn't it? That sounds more medical.

Mysterious Phenomena

Speaker 2 28:31

We're all suffering from the same thing, like mass medical issue. But I don't know, like I don't know if you ever get this, but I sometimes feel like my phone buzzes or my watch buzzes. This is a new thing, like, since having an Apple watch as well like it will buzz. I mean, other watches are available, but yeah, my watch buzzes on my hand. But sometimes I'm like can I feel it or am I just? You know, is it a phantom vibration? And most of the time it is. I'm wondering if people also get phantom hums or tinnitus.

Speaker 1 29:01

Yeah, do.

Speaker 2 29:02

I have a feel Quantum hums or tinnitus.

Speaker 1 29:04

Yeah, I don't know how I feel about this one. Yeah, I think this is more medical.

Speaker 2 29:09

I have a feeling this is Describes a faint droning sound akin to a distant diesel engine, heard by about 2% of the population in certain areas.

Speaker 1 29:18

Yeah, and it's led to health issues such as headaches and sleep disturbances. Well, if you've got constant hum going on in your head, you are going to be disturbed. Annoying, and if it does then go on to, you're going to end up with psychological distress. I think this is more medical.

Speaker 2 29:32

Okay, it's tinnitus.

Speaker 1 29:34

Or or or. Or. Is it government experiments? I think Mulder and Scully need to get on this. Okay moving on.

Speaker 2 29:45

Moving on from tinnitus.

Speaker 1 29:47

Yeah, the Dyatlov Pass incident, and I've pronounced that completely wrong. I know I have Dyatlov.

Speaker 2 29:54

Dyatlov.

Speaker 1 29:56

Dyatlov, so it's.

Speaker 2 29:57

Russian. Yeah, I think it would be Dyat.

Speaker 1 30:00

Dyatlov Dyatlov Pass incident.

Speaker 2 30:02

I've never heard of this. I haven't either.

Speaker 1 30:05

Oh, another new one. Yeah, quite recently, so 1959. Ooh, yeah, so it says Hello. Nine Soviet hikers, led by Igor Dyatlov, okay, embarked on a trek in the Ural Mountains in January 1959.

Speaker 2 30:19

Wait, I do know this. I just didn't know it was called that.

Speaker 1 30:21

Okay.

Speaker 2 30:22

Yes, the tent was found cut open from the inside and their bodies were scattered over a distance, with some showing severe internal injuries and others showing signs of extreme cold exposure. The idea is I've heard of this. Yeah, I think. Okay, there's a lot of theories, but the theories that I heard is actually not on here. It was essentially like a twister.

Speaker 1 30:43

Okay, here it was.

Speaker 2 30:44

it was like, essentially like a twister okay, um yeah, they think it was like a a kind of a freak weather situation yeah and that's why they were scattered over a distance, because I think I heard something about this. I think it might have been tiktok, now that I think about it, so not the most, uh, uh oh, tiktok's great for things like this.

Speaker 1 31:00

Yeah, it's it's not.

Speaker 2 31:01

It's not the best source, but um my understanding was the way that the bodies had been scattered was in a circular motion or spiral motion oh, so it kind of goes in type with that type of yeah, type of weather like the twister weather. Yeah, I had heard this. I wasn't sure. I think maybe it's our pronunciation of it and that's why I'm not understanding what I'm not making the connection. But yeah, I have heard about this.

Speaker 1 31:21

So essentially, so there are nine of them. The tent was open and there are nine bodies found around in the circular motion.

Speaker 2 31:29

Well, I don't know, it doesn't say circular motion on here. That was what TikTok told me, right?

Speaker 1 31:33

But yeah, interestingly enough though, it says that here some of them had radiation.

Speaker 2 31:40

Yeah, I don't know about that Choice amounts of radiation were found in some of the hikers clothing. Yeah, bizarre injuries such as skull fractures and chest trauma without external wounds.

Speaker 1 31:47

That does kind of fit in with your being bashed around by a tornado yeah theory. Okay, then the other ones were, they think, possibly an avalanche, but apparently there was no evidence of an avalanche, so that you can throw that one out the window.

Speaker 2 32:03

There's a theory that it was an avalanche, but we've disproved that theory, but we're going to keep it in, yeah.

Speaker 1 32:08

I know that's yeah okay.

Speaker 2 32:09

I mean, I think it weakens the theory because an avalanche is obviously like a mass, like snow drift essentially, you're going to see that. So you're going to be say that they're buried. It just says they're strewn across with yeah random internal injuries. The internal injuries I mean skull fractures and stuff. I mean I mean I don't know what velocity a tornado would chuck you.

Speaker 1 32:30

Well, it's gonna be pretty, pretty violent isn't it? To not get external wounds is quite, quite odd well, if you're being thrown around in the air and your body, your body's kind? Of attacking itself, kind of like shaken baby syndrome as an adult, I get you yeah yeah, and then there's the theory about it it was the military. Of course there's that theory in there of course military speculates secret weapon testing and then I love this a yeti attack and extraterrestrial encounters yeah.

Speaker 2 32:59

I mean it could have been an animal, but you're more likely to have external wounds. I think if it was an animal, I'm more likely on. I don't know, it's just because I saw the TikTok. Maybe that I'm more on the vein of probably a weather anomaly.

Speaker 1 33:11

Yeah.

Speaker 2 33:11

Which isn't an anomaly. On a mountain you can have really freak weather. Things that happen on a. Where were they? Sorry, I'm just saying on a mountain Ural the Ural mountains in Russia. Yeah, so Russia.

Speaker 1 33:24

I think it's more likely to be a weather phenomenon, phenomenon do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do do.

Speaker 2 33:39

injuries without external ones is very odd, very, very odd.

Speaker 1 33:43

The shaken baby syndrome. That makes sense.

Speaker 2 33:45

Yeah.

Speaker 1 33:46

That does make sense, doesn't it? It's plausible.

Speaker 2 33:48

Yeah, there's some plausibility there, I guess.

Speaker 1 33:51

Next one.

Speaker 2 33:53

We've both heard of this one.

Speaker 1 33:55

Oh, nessie, nessie, the Loch Ness monster.

Speaker 2 33:58

Yeah, so this is probably. Maybe. Well, I haven't looked at the others, but I'm assuming this might be the most geographically closest.

Speaker 1 34:07

I believe so. To us, yeah, I believe so. Where we're currently situated? Yeah, so, loch Ness Monster Actually, no, oh there's a closer one. There is one that's closer.

Speaker 2 34:16

Okay, so Loch Ness Monster is apparently a monster that inhabits the Loch Ness, which is, which is a Scotland, a loch in Scotland. If anyone doesn't know what a loch is, it's a lake. It's a lake. It's essentially a lake, but a passable one by boats generally. That's why it's called a loch we have broads in Norfolk yeah, and in Scotland they have lochs yeah everywhere else it's a lake. I'm sure there's a geographical explanation to why the name is different.

Speaker 1 34:42

I think it might have something to do with the height.

Speaker 2 34:44

I think it's to do with height and I think it's the passableness of boats, because I think a broad is kind of like I don't think you can always get from one side of a broad to another. There is a stopping section, but I don't know a lock I think is more passable, if you think of locks in I don't know, like in Toulouse, for example, where the canal boats go down.

Speaker 1 35:03

No, you're thinking of locks and canals, aren't?

Speaker 2 35:05

you? Yeah, I'm thinking of that, and how that kind of works now.

Speaker 1 35:07

No, I think it's just a language thing in Scotland.

Speaker 2 35:09

Oh, it's just a lake.

Speaker 1 35:10

Just a lock.

Speaker 2 35:11

It's just a lock, just a lock.

Speaker 1 35:14

Although I went a little bit. I don't know, I went a bit Liverpool there. No, it wasn't very Scottish at all. So where did the legend originate from? Because we've all heard the legend of the Loch Ness Monster. If you're from the UK you would have heard the legend of the Loch Ness Monster. There's many depictions of the Loch Ness Monster, but basically it looks like a giant worm.

Speaker 2 35:38

Well, they think it's a dinosaur, a dinosaur.

Speaker 1 35:40

A dinosaur With little legs Because, interestingly enough, the Loch Ness itself is the biggest body of water in the whole of the UK.

Speaker 2 35:47

Is it?

Speaker 1 35:47

I did not know that it doesn't look it, but because of the depth of Loch Ness and the actual volume of water within Loch Ness, I did not know that. And it literally almost cuts Scotland in two.

Speaker 2 35:59

I did not know it was that large.

Speaker 1 36:02

It's huge, it's absolutely huge. Okay, so did not know it was that large. It's huge, it's absolutely huge, okay, yeah, so they're first mentioned in the 6th century 6th, wow, 6th century so in the 500s. So somebody encountered a water beast in the River Ness Water beast. I mean, the thing is, I think we're going down a little bit of black shook territory here, aren't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you think?

Speaker 2 36:24

The most famous being in the 1934 surgeon's photograph, later revealed as a hoax yeah, that was the.

Speaker 1 36:28

You must have seen that photograph. The grainy white, the grainy, yeah, loch ness monster photograph, yeah okay, so um, they have searched for it. They have gone out in boats with sonar, but they've never found anything. They have detected some weirdness under the water, but, like I say, it's a massive body of water.

Speaker 2 36:50

We also don't know a lot about sea creatures and water creatures, do we? We're quite limited on the knowledge that we have because of how they're saying that some of the seas have such a depth that there is unidentified fish that only can live at those depths and a human can't possibly get there. So it's likely there is something in the Loch Ness Lake.

Speaker 1 37:10

Possibly is.

Speaker 2 37:12

But would they surface regularly from the depths?

Speaker 1 37:16

And again, depending on how deep it is, the pressure might be different and it stays at a certain depth, and also I mean if this thing has been around since the fifth century how old is this? Thing exactly. We're talking 1500 years have a family well, this is generations like this is the thing you know. Is it? Is it one monster that's been alive all these years, or is it, you know? Is it an entire family? In which case, how come no one's seen it? Yeah odd, yeah odd, I mean I like the idea of the lo.

Speaker 1 37:43

I mean I like the idea of the Loch Ness Monster.

Speaker 2 37:45

I like the idea of it being real, yeah.

Speaker 1 37:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2 37:47

It's never killed anyone, to my knowledge. Yeah, yeah, I think. Also, when you are in water it is super flat, and then when you see something bob out, you think, oh, that's weird and that's different.

Speaker 1 38:06

So maybe it's a trick of the mind, trick of the eye? Well, well, they have. They have done some dna surveys of the lake or the lock, and they have found that there is a big eel.

Speaker 2 38:13

Uh this is more likely.

Speaker 1 38:15

I said a worm yeah, so you think eels, and depending on how big eels can get, they can get big old things, you know. And when, when you look at the picture of the Loch Ness Monster that one from 1934, it's more like a picture of a Diplodocus, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I suppose if you had an eel coming out of the water, yeah, potentially, yeah, potentially could be that Could just be an eel.

Speaker 2 38:35

I've had a really rare experience in my life that I've seen electric eels when I went kayaking once in the sea off of the coast of New Romney in Kent and I remember seeing all the eels trapped into this. There's like a concrete mass that fell off the Pearl Harbour basically and now it's washed up in the sea and eels just congregate in there or get trapped basically in there when the tide comes in. So I've had a unique experience of seeing eels but they're quite small. So I imagine I don't know how big eels can grow to or if there's species of eel that are huge.

Speaker 1 39:07

Oh, I bet you can get some big old eels.

Speaker 2 39:08

Whenever I've seen an eel, I thought God, that's a big boy, I don't know.

Speaker 1 39:12

Yeah, whenever you say the word eels, I just think of Mighty Boosh. Do you now yeah.

Ancient Mysteries and Legends

Speaker 2 39:23

Eels all moving on. So yeah, that's Loch Ness Monster. It's like it's impactive folklore and it's on all of the bags and it's a real tourist thing, isn't it?

Speaker 1 39:30

yeah, yeah the. Loch Ness Monster has merch yeah, exactly, it's a tourist attraction for Loch Ness, I mean maybe that's why they've kept their legend alive.

Speaker 1 39:39

Yeah, of course they have. Of course they have. I, of course they have. I mean it's a big old. I mean there's some pictures of me and your mum up at Loch Ness from a couple of years ago when we were around there and we drove. It's a beautiful, beautiful lake or loch, but it's massive. It is massive. Shall we move on. Yeah, the Phaistos Disc. Never heard of this. Apparently, this was unearthed in 1908 in the Minoan Palace in Crete. Ah, we've been there. We have been to Crete.

Speaker 2 40:06

Don't remember this though.

Speaker 1 40:07

No, apparently, this is a disk inscribed with 241 tokens made from 45 distinct symbols arranged in a spiral.

Speaker 2 40:17

Okay.

Speaker 1 40:19

They think it might have served a ceremonial or religious purpose. They think it might have served a ceremonial or religious purpose, and some scholars believe it represents a form of proto-writing or an unknown language. Okay, so they found this thing and they just basically don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 40:32

They've basically found a really cool Frisbee.

Speaker 1 40:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2 40:35

And they don't know why.

Speaker 1 40:37

Yeah.

Speaker 2 40:37

I think it's probably art. Yeah, probably art I don't link the symbols with other ancient scripts and have been inconclusive. Probably a bit of art then. Yeah, a bit of a lost language, a bit of maybe, I think, more religious artefact.

Speaker 1 40:50

This is the sort of shit that Nicolas Cage needs to go and steal.

Speaker 2 40:53

Yeah, national treasure.

Speaker 1 40:54

Send Nick Cage after it. Get him to steal it. Bring it back here We'll have a little looky-loo.

Speaker 2 40:59

Yeah, I think it's plausible that that's just a yeah. It's another like lost language situation a bit like the manuscript.

Speaker 1 41:07

That's what I think it is.

Speaker 2 41:08

The porno.

Speaker 1 41:10

Yeah, space plant porno.

Speaker 2 41:12

Yeah, this is just rock, porn Rock porn.

Speaker 1 41:18

Yeah, well, again, I think it's one of those things where if a culture or a civilization gets attacked by another civilization, that is then lost, lost, but artifacts are then left behind, which, yeah, I think that's just a case of this again. Really should move on, rowan oak yeah, what's this all about?

Speaker 1 41:28

so. So I do know a bit about this one, because I find this one really really interesting. Basically, an entire colony disappeared, a bit like atlantis, bit like atlantis, so, uh, a. So a colony, a colony. A colony was established in 1587 in North America. A guy called John White went over there Three years later. He established this colony. Then he went away. He came back three years later. The settlement was completely deserted, there was no sign of a struggle, was completely deserted, there was no sign of a struggle, and the word Croatoan was carved into a post. That's it. No one knows any more than that.

Speaker 2 42:10

Wow.

Speaker 1 42:11

Now, if you remember Supernatural, the Croatoan thing popped up in Supernatural at one point as well.

Speaker 2 42:16

I can't remember.

Speaker 1 42:17

And also American Horror Story. There was one series called Roanoke, so that's kind of how I knew about this, okay, but I find that fascinating. I mean, the people think that they might have been assimilated with some of the local tribes and they think, you know, there's possibility that they might have buggered off to another location, but there's been no evidence or anything ever found of these people since it was established and then, three years later, just Just deserted Completely deserted.

Speaker 1 42:46

There was no signs of a struggle, there was no sign of people being slaughtered or anything like that. It's just literally like they disappeared.

Speaker 2 42:52

They just moved on, didn't they? They probably just didn't like the you reckon.

Speaker 1 42:56

Maybe just didn't have enough water, but they couldn't find them. They, they couldn't find them. There was no trace of where they went.

Speaker 2 43:02

They went underground.

Speaker 1 43:03

They went underground.

Speaker 2 43:04

I reckon they're mole people.

Speaker 1 43:05

Okay, mole people. Ah right, moving on to the Zodiac Killer.

Speaker 2 43:14

This is mentioned in every single cop show.

Speaker 1 43:18

Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 43:18

It's mentioned in Castle. It's brought up in Castle quite a lot the Zodiac Killer. So at least five confirmed murders between 68 and 69. So this is 1968, 1969. That's a year the killer claimed that they murdered 37, sent cryptic letters to newspapers, with one containing 408 symbols, a cryptogram only partially decoded. So this was a killer that was being clever and giving away and probably having the thrill of people trying to work out his. His, is it a he?

Speaker 1 43:50

Well, we don't know, we don't know.

Speaker 2 43:53

Well, how did the killer confirm Claims 37?

Speaker 1 43:56

The killer wrote into, oh, into the newspaper, into the newspaper, yeah, but was never captured, never captured.

Speaker 2 44:00

Okay, for the sake of misgendering, I'll just say he yeah, I just so. This guy was obviously very clever and was Probably had the thrill of killing a few people and putting it in newspapers and trying to work out.

Speaker 1 44:16

I saw one theory that there was a gap between where there wasn't any murders and they think he might have been in prison for something else. Ah, and that's why there wasn't any murders and they think he might have been in prison for something else and that's why there weren't any murders. But I just quickly scrolled down because I thought the Zodiac killer's on here, but, interestingly, because I immediately thought well, actually he's like a modern day Jack the Ripper.

Speaker 2 44:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 44:33

But then I just scrolled down and I thought Jack the Ripper's not on here. Ah Not on the went after prostitutes. Yeah, there was a number of prostitutes.

Speaker 2 44:46

Whereas I don't know much about the people that were being killed, because there's at least five confirmed by this person, but I don't know what his MO was like, who he wanted to kill, like what his fame was.

Speaker 1 45:00

But again the media, kind of numerous books, tv shows, films. Again it's that kind of you know who was the Zodiac Killer?

Speaker 2 45:08

he might not even be. I'm saying he again, but they might not even be dead. No, they might not. I mean, 1969 was not that long ago. He's probably an old man, maybe, or an old woman, but yeah, or it could be multiple people could be the Zodiac Killer indeed good luck catching them killers.

Speaker 1 45:24

Then just the one killer, yeah okay, so the last one for this particular episode is this is one when you said about how close to home. This one is very close to home compared to.

Speaker 2 45:39

That's true, and I did mention this earlier actually this has been mentioned, so it's Stonehenge, stonehenge.

Speaker 1 45:45

Yeah, we've been. We have been to Stonehenge.

Speaker 2 45:48

Yes, I've been a few times.

Speaker 1 45:50

It's basically, if you don't know what Stonehenge is, it's no one does. No, it's basically a circle of rocks. But when I say rocks, it really doesn't do it justice.

Speaker 2 46:03

No, these are stones that are very, very large stones, yeah, but clearly placed, in a way, they're not naturally occurring. No, they're not.

Speaker 1 46:13

And they were placed in a specific way that does make it look like it's a calendar, so much so that the summer solstice and the winter solstice will rise between the gaps in some of these stones and it looks like it was built over several centuries, and some of these stone came from as far as scotland and wales.

Speaker 2 46:34

How did they get them across I know, this is the biggest question no one knows and no one, I think, like I know that it's not on here, but I know they've tried to carbon date them and are struggling with that as well, taking samples of them and knowing how old they are and when it was potentially built. But I mean, it doesn't surprise me that it took them centuries to get it from Wales and Scotland to Stonehenge, which is like Somerset Way, isn't it Exactly.

Speaker 1 47:00

yeah, it's down near Glastonbury, you know, on the ZA303.

Speaker 2 47:02

Somerset Way, isn't it Exactly? Yeah, it's down near Glastonbury on the ZA303. So this is what makes me think that there is technology out there that we don't know about.

Speaker 1 47:09

Yeah, I mean it just astounds me how they managed to transport these stones and how they got them so specific where they were and got them up. I mean, when you look at the stones on top of the stones, how did they get them up there? How yeah, it's just absolutely astounding.

Speaker 2 47:27

And they're still standing to this day. It's not like they've even toppled over or anything.

Speaker 1 47:31

I know, and we're talking centuries upon centuries, upon centuries, these things have been there.

Speaker 2 47:34

It makes you wonder if they're deeper in the ground as well, like below Well, there's the old theory about the Easter Island statues as well, isn't there? Yeah.

Speaker 1 47:42

About how deep they go and the like, but yeah, I mean it's just absolutely amazing how they got in there. But they have also found human remains in that under there, so it could have been Burial ritual. Yeah, I also saw a documentary I think it might have been Tony Robinson where they might have found some similar stones a few miles down the road. So stones a few miles down the road.

Speaker 1 48:01

So what they think is that the Stonehenge was the end of the procession and that's where the people ended up for sacrificial rites and things like that, because you know, we've got Sea Henge in East Anglia where we live. Oh yes, very similar one, but wood actually, but the waters claimed it.

Speaker 2 48:16

Yeah.

Speaker 1 48:16

We found that that wasn't found that long ago.

Speaker 2 48:19

No, that was discovered fairly recently. I mean, things will always, I think always be discovered of ancient civilisations and stuff, but yeah, this one is particularly interesting just because of how large the stones are and how the logistics is there is there is the unexplained part, yeah yeah you know and what it was actually used for it is quite.

Speaker 1 48:42

When you go there as well. It does have a bit of a. I mean the summer solstice and winter solstice. They have festivals there and you get a lot of you know new age druids and that do, actually do celebrations. But I must admit, when you go to Stonehenge it does have an air of mystery around it Eerie. Yeah, it's eerie.

Speaker 2 49:03

It does have a very air of mystery around it eerie.

Speaker 1 49:05

Yeah, it does have a very air of mystery around it.

Speaker 2 49:06

Yeah, I like it well, that's Stonehenge that's Stonehenge we knew this was going to be a two parter told you definitely. We've got ten more to hit yeah so if this episode has intrigued you and you'd like to hear more, we have part two coming out, probably after this next week, the week after this.

Speaker 1 49:22

Yeah, we'll do it concurrently.

Speaker 2 49:23

Concurrently.

Speaker 1 49:24

Concurrently yeah.

Speaker 2 49:25

So we'll see you next time for Unexplained Mysteries, part Two. Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 1 49:30

Bye-bye, outro Music.