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Ever wondered what keeps you safe on those heart-pounding roller coaster rides? Join Hannah and me, Davey, in the second part of our roller coaster series on Bonus Dad Bonus Daughter as we unpack the secrets behind various roller coaster restraints. From lap bars to over-the-shoulder restraints, we'll share our personal experiences on rides like Wicker Man and Nemesis, and even get into the nitty-gritty of fail-safe mechanisms. Plus, we’ll dive into the not-so-fun side of roller coasters — the discomforts faced by taller or larger riders on poorly designed restraints.

Get ready for a roller coaster of emotions as we compare the unique sensations of hang time and air time on some of the world's most thrilling rides. We'll discuss the mesmerizing Ride to Happiness at Plopsaland, the defunct G-Force at Drayton Manor, and the importance of comfortable handholds on coasters like Spinball Wizard and Taran. And for a good laugh, we’ll recount a hilarious anecdote about the launch coaster Stealth at Thorpe Park and the unexpected reactions riders have during intense acceleration.

But the surprises don’t stop there. We'll also share our shocking experiences on Disney's Tower of Terror and Alton Towers' Nemesis Subterra, rides cleverly designed to deceive and thrill. Our recent visit to Alton Towers will give you a sneak peek into the unique thrills each coaster offers, from Smiler’s 14 inversions to Wicker Man’s compelling backstory. To top it all off, we’ll provide tips on navigating theme park queues, designing the ultimate roller coaster, and a fascinating journey through roller coaster history and records. Tune in for an episode packed with excitement, insights, and lots of laughs!

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Davey:

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Hannah:

Hello and welcome to part two of roller coasters.

Davey:

Wow wow, so just um. You were talking a lot about restraints, yeah, and you said you're going to come on to them later, but you think you've mentioned them a few times now, so shall we? Probably should just segue into them so my next question to you is what type of different? Well, what type of? What different restraints are there on different types of coasters?

Hannah:

okay. So, um, most common restraint on most coasters, I would say, is probably the lap bar. Just because they're a family coaster, a lot of roller coasters have them. So when I refer to a lap bar, I'm just referring to a bench seat with two people sitting in it and a bar comes down. It's mostly for coasters. Well, mostly it is for coasters that don't go upside down and rely on basically G-forces to keep you in your seat.

Hannah:

Essentially, some of them will have airtime, so you will come up and over your seats, particularly on airtime hills, bunny hops, things like that, as you're going around a coaster. Hills, bunny hops, things like that, um, as you're going around a coaster. But, generally speaking, a lap bar will keep you pretty, pretty nice and secure, as long as you're the right height and yeah, I mean.

Davey:

I must admit I mean lap bars like wicker man.

Hannah:

When I knew wicker man was a lap bar I was like that, that's not that secure, but I must admit I was pretty secure in that seat so wicker man is a modern lap bar where they tend to have the lap bar come down on two separate people so you actually have a separate uh lap bar per person I prefer those yeah, so you are divided by two people. I do as well, and the reason being because I go with my husband quite a lot. We have quite a sizable height and build difference.

Hannah:

You are so when the lap bar comes down, it comes down very nicely on his legs and his thighs and keeps him well secure. While I'm in the right hand side or left hand side of the car, absolute ragdoll going around. Um, there is a ride in fantasia land called the colorado mine train or colorado something. I can't remember exactly what it is. It might even possibly be in german now that I think about it, but it's the colorado adventure or something like that, and it's an amazing kind of mine carty type thing. Very, very long ride. But God was I chucked about.

Hannah:

And my husband was like oh, that was a really good ride. I was like that was terrifying because I was like being chucked around. A lot of it is in the dark as well, so it's kind of like it's an amazing ride, but I was chucked around like an absolute rag doll just because I wasn't in the seat as securely as he was. So, yeah, yeah, lap bars the most common. Then you've got over shoulder restraints. There are different types of those as well, so you've got ones that are like a static over the shoulder restraint. So it comes down. Um, it is just. It just comes over you a bit like nemesis. Yeah, comes over you, you're strapped in. Sometimes you have like a little, uh, a little seat belt, seat belt, that kind of keeps in, that doesn't really do anything I I know because it just so.

Davey:

I've often thought about these. Yeah, I mean, to me they look like a fail-safe of a fail-safe, of a fail-safe. They're like the absolute last resort of everything fails. That is exactly what that is, yeah.

Hannah:

That's exactly what that is. So it is the last resort fail-safe. If you are, I guess restraint fails. You've got that so you don't fall out. But to be honest with you, I don't think it would ever come down to that. I don't think they're something that they I mean they obviously check and inspections and stuff but I don't think they're often replaced that often, just because they're not used. They are the failsafe of the failsafe of the failsafe so yeah, as engineering goes, not really that great.

Hannah:

Um so, and then you've got other shoulder restraints, kind of like sm, like Smiler, where they come down over your shoulders and then they sort of trap your legs in without the seatbelt. So, again, there's no way of you getting out of there, because that hole between that little tiny bit that goes between your legs and the seat is probably like two centimetres.

Davey:

It's almost like a bucket seat, isn't it?

Hannah:

It's a bucket seat yeah.

Hannah:

They're very comfortable, but they can be quiet because the shoulder restraints are so close to your ears. If you're going round bends, inversions, if it's a particularly rough roller coaster I'm talking about, you saw at thought park, um, you bang your head between the shoulder restraints and it can be very uncomfortable. Yeah, colossus is probably one of the most uncomfortable um restraints, particularly for tall people. Uh, and I am actually going to include myself not as a tall person, but just because it's they're very old restraints. Um, it's got 10 inversions like coaster. It's quite an old coaster, so it's rough as well and they're just really small seats, really really small. Did not think about like obesity rates increasing in the population, I guess, when they built those restraints? So very, very restrictive, incredibly restrictive restraints. So, yeah, not, yeah, not built for the bigger person, and I just mean in terms of stature as well as bulkiness.

Hannah:

Muscly people as well would really struggle on that coaster.

Davey:

One thing I noticed about Rita.

Hannah:

Yes.

Davey:

Over-the-shoulder restraints. They are over-the-shoulder restraints. One thing I noticed about Rita is that the seats all look different heights. Did you notice that?

Hannah:

The reason they do that on Rita is that the seats all look different heights. Did you notice that? The reason they do that on Rita is so every car has four seats. You've got two in front, two behind. Your two in front are slightly lower and the two behind are slightly higher. That's just so that you're able to see the track.

Davey:

Similar thing to Oblivion as well, because Oblivion, if you sit in the back or sit in the front, you still get a front row seat, you still get kind of a front row seat. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hannah:

On, rita, I don't, you know we're probably going to do. We talk about seat rows.

Davey:

No, not really.

Hannah:

Oh, I'll include them here, then shall I, yeah, include them here. So launch coasters, to be honest, as much as the front row is great and the back row is great, going around you get the most kind of initial force. Um, I don't think on launch coasters it actually particularly matters where you sit in them because I feel like the car is just going around and doing what it's thing.

Hannah:

Until it starts slowing up and going around things. I don't think there's much of a difference. But you've got a coaster like the big one. For example, at blackpool pleasure beach we sat in the middle and it was the most uncomfortable ride because we were on the wheel bearings, so it just was horrible for us a really horrible experience.

Hannah:

Particularly most enthusiasts would say they don't really like row six. Like you, most most coasters have like 12. As 12 cars for a like lap bar situation. Um, most will opt for the front or the back. Um, we were quite lucky with wicker man. We actually got both the front and the back. The both times we went on, uh, but middle of the track is still a great ride, but it's not as good as the no, I mean when we went on to nemesis, didn't we?

Davey:

we could have gone on to the front and we, we all said no, we'll go on to the back, because we knew that there was going to be like more g's at the back we'd already done the front as well I think um the front of nemesis is great, but I personally prefer the back yeah that's a minority.

Hannah:

A lot of people prefer the front um, to be honest with you, but uh, but yeah, sorry. Going back to restraints, so you've got over the shoulder ones that have the flexible um padding, which is like swarm, it's like air galactica um fly in fantasia land has those as well. I can't think of any more superman in six legs, yeah yeah, I've never been, but yeah, I can vouch for that, I guess, by the way you've described the ride.

Hannah:

So so, yeah, so over the shoulder things, but that does mean that your head is a bit more free, because your shoulder pads are kind of more bespoke to your body and more bespoke to the way your body lies in the seat as well. So your head is completely free. And then you've got kind of the modern style of lap bar, which is basically a little podium, comes up in front of your seat and essentially it just sits just above the top of your thighs it comes up and pushes down on your thighs and then so it comes up over you and then they push it down as opposed to pushing it into you which

Hannah:

is a lot more comfortable for people like me with a bigger chest or for people that struggle with shoulder restraints being too too pinchy on the shoulders, particularly people with a with a longer torso or particularly people that are particularly muscly again in the upper arms and stuff like that. You can just fit more, more comfortable or bigger in the pectoral area as well. It's just a more comfortable ride, and a lot of people don't like those type of restraints because when you go upside down they feel like they're going to fall out, which I know is something that you've discussed as well.

Hannah:

A ride that I can think of particularly for that is a ride that has a lot of hang time, which is ride to happiness in plops land. Right, happiness is it's a launched roller coaster, um, but it also has a spinning element, so all the cars spin. I think there's five cars in total on a train and each of those independently spin, and there's a.

Davey:

There's two launch sections as well isn't that on one of your reels? It is on one of my reels, yeah so there's a lot of.

Hannah:

It has a lot of hang time at the start because as you leave the the, the station's actually up in the air and it uses that momentum of being up in the air to go down to the launch section. And there's a couple of twists before you get to the launch section. And it's very, very slow.

Hannah:

And it does feel a little as though you're a little bit loose in there, but there is no way of you falling out. So it has a lot of hang time and there's a lot of people that are like, oh, do you prefer hang time or air time? Air time is when you come out of your seat up a hill. Hang time is when you're upside down and you come out of your seat.

Davey:

Yeah, because a lot of the coasters I find, because of the G-force, you're actually pushed into your seat anyway. Yes, so even your restraints are there, they're not actually doing any work because just the G-force is pushing you against the back of the seat anyway, yeah, this ride is the opposite, because it's hang time and I think that's possibly why I like the launch coasters so much, because I do feel more secure in there because of the g-force is holding me in the chair yeah so I think actually no, no, I'm talking about that could actually be one of the one of one of the things and why I don't necessarily like the the digger diggers at the start, yeah, is because I am loose in the chair, but once I'm going I'm secure in the chair.

Davey:

I, but once I'm going I'm secure in the chair. I think I've just solved what my problem is. There you go. I think that could be it.

Hannah:

Yeah, there are some other sort of fandangled kind of restraints, different restraints around the world. I do remember it's a defunct ride now, but there was G-Force at Drayton Manor which was sort of a lap bar, but it came from the right hand side and then really squishily tight, tight in up just under kind of your breast bone essentially, so it goes right across your tummy and squishes you in. The idea of g-force was that the g's will keep you in the whole time, but that restraint was very uncomfortable.

Hannah:

It was like a thick band that went across your tummy and kept you in. Not my favorite. It's, uh, a very uncomfortable I think ride. Especially at the end of it you feel like you can't breathe because you've squished in too tight. I don't really like that. Yeah, I would prefer a lap, a modern lap kind of restraint. I don't actually know what they're called, but a modern lap restraint as opposed to a over-the-shoulder is my preferred.

Davey:

Well, interestingly enough, Interestingly enough so, when we were on Spinball Wizard, that is a lap bar that comes down. And when it came down, because that is where, as you quite eloquently put, I trapped a nut when we went to Alton Towers the other day and as we went around the corner that was really painful.

Hannah:

But what I did like about that is that had a handle at the front yeah, so a lot of them do so, taran does as well yeah taran and icon both have this thing that comes up in front, and then you've got something to hold on to, whereas something like rita you do struggle to hold on to. The only thing you can hold on to is the shoulder restraints itself rita's got the um the handlebars I I know Nemesis has. Nemesis does, I'm not sure if Rita does.

Davey:

Actually? No, I don't think it does. I think I had my thumbs underneath it.

Hannah:

Yeah, under the thing. So sometimes people find comfort in having something to hold on to, particularly Spinball Wizard and Dragon's Fury, actually at Chessington. They're very similar rides. They're spinny rides and they have that, that the one that comes up in between your legs and then it has kind of like a kind of like a closed fork uh, spoon, sorry at the at the thing, and then you've got it all the way around. Um, taran actually has two like little separate hand holds, which is quite quite a nice touch. But yeah, some people find comfort in the fact that they've actually got something to hold on to. Some people don't like having their hands up in the air. I'm not one of them. I love having my hands up in the air.

Hannah:

But I understand the comfort that brings of being able to actually hold on physically and then brace yourself, because that's what you're supposed to do on a road.

Davey:

Well, that's the funny thing is, when you talk about launch coasters and I know mentioned rita quite a lot and I think rita is your favorite.

Hannah:

I think rita is. I think rita is my I think it could be longer.

Davey:

Um, but I like hulk as well. But what gets me about Rita is the amount of people I see with their hands up. Now you go from 0 to 60 in what two seconds I think it is. So it always amazes me, like, does that not hurt? You know, just from the sheer G-force of the people on there. I've never put my arms up in Rita for that reason, because I know how quick it is.

Hannah:

So funny, you should say this I've got quite a funny story quick. It is so funny you should say this I've got quite a funny story. Uh, last time I was at thought park, um, stealth, very similar mechanism. It's a launch coaster as we're going up over the top hat. Um, when I refer to a top hat, I'm I'm talking about a coaster that goes kind of vertically up, then it goes uh sort of across at the top and then vertically down again, so like a top hat sits on your head yeah it goes up one side, then it kind of goes plateaus at the top and then comes straight back down again.

Davey:

King dakar king dakar is an example of that.

Hannah:

Yeah, um, as well as top thrill as well. That's another version. So, uh, I was on stealth and I had my hands up because I always do on stealth um, and I was at the top and my hands are up and this guy's uh, like air pod case, but like a different brand of airpod case uh came out of his pocket. I didn't catch it, but I saw where it landed and god did that hurt when that hit my hand because of the velocity we were going back. And now there's a part of me it's like I don't know whether I'll put my hands up again because the things like they shouldn't have things like that in their pockets anyway, that's a really stupid thing.

Hannah:

And then they have to go in the right area and pick them up, especially if it's like a wallet or something like that. Idiots who don't secure their things. Please, anyone like listening to this podcast now, please secure all your items. It's not just for show, it's not just for fun. Put them in a locker, put them somewhere, because there are people that will be riding it with their hands up and then they get struck by a bloody air pod case yeah oh god, that hurt really, slapped my hand hard, um, and anyway, I found, found your AirPod case and it's probably with thought park reception as we speak.

Hannah:

But yeah, it was probably one of the most painful experiences I've had on a roller coaster. That's not part of the roller coaster experience itself. I don't know how we got onto this.

Davey:

I don't know how we got onto it. Launches we talked about launches.

Hannah:

And putting your hands up.

Davey:

So now I'm a bit weary about putting my hands up, just in case some idiot hasn't put their stuff in there in the in their bags and yeah, ouch, really hurt, can say so what actually is it about them? About roller coasters in general, that you enjoy what. What is it? Why is it?

Hannah:

because you are a very big roller coaster enthusiast yeah you are very much so for me it's the thrill is probably the biggest thing, but I also like the story behind the roller coaster, the fiction that they've created for the storyline of that coaster.

Davey:

Wicker Man's good for that.

Hannah:

Wicker Man's great for that. Nemesis is good for that Nemesis is another one, nemesis, is all about an alien that's come to this earth and you've got Subterra, which gives you kind of the backstory of like the eggs hatching in the cave.

Davey:

Actually, let's just talk about Subterra. Let's just talk about Nemesis Subterra.

Hannah:

Go on.

Davey:

So if you would have heard and I must admit, looking back on it now it was fishy, so you may have listened in one of our previous podcasts, Myself and Hannah have spoken about the Tower of Terror. When we went to Disney and how the ride said it was a simulation. However, when we got into the Tower of Terror and the doors opened up and we very quickly realised it wasn't a simulation and this was a drop tower.

Hannah:

Yeah, I am particularly not a fan of drop towers. I've now been on a shock tower, which is different. So instead of taking you up slowly and then dropping you, this one actually shoots you up and then holds you there and then slowly lowers you down. That's great fun. Love a shock tower that's great. A drop tower not a fan.

Davey:

Okay, actually I might.

Hannah:

The reverse.

Davey:

I might like a mixture of the two there. I might do a drop tower if it shot you up quick and shot you down quick.

Hannah:

Okay.

Davey:

Then it's over in a few seconds, isn't it? And I've done it, but yeah, I'm not. Yeah, but yeah, the Tower of Terror. When we went to Disney, both me and Hannah, we were not expecting that.

Hannah:

No.

Davey:

We were not expecting that. When the doors much, we could see all the way to new york, I was like what the hell? And then we fell. And that is the first time again. I think we said previously that you swore in front of your grandmother yes, yeah, and you just had a little kind of lap bar. We just did not expect that justified swearing in front of my grandmother yeah, so we went to, as I went to on towers last week and hannah and this new ride well, I'll say new it's not new.

Hannah:

It's one of the oldest rides there, Exactly exactly, and I'd never been on this before.

Davey:

And we said we went on Nemesis, and then we went on Nemesis Subterra and Hannah said to me she said oh, it's a simulation, at which point I should have realised an alarm bell should have started ringing, but no, I trusted my daughter there's a simulated lift.

Hannah:

I hope we're not ruining the spoiler alert, but it is a really old ride.

Davey:

It's a really old ride. I don't know how we can spoil it at this point.

Hannah:

It's a drop tower in disguise, basically, but it's not a very long drop tower, it's only 20 feet.

Davey:

It's just the shock. It's just the shock.

Hannah:

I knew it was a drop tower before I went on it with my husband earlier in the year and he wasn't, and he liked the surprise. The only thing he didn't like was the fact that I didn't warn him that he probably should have kept his elbows in other than that, the the shock kind of factor was there and it drops, and then it gives you the whole kind of backstory of nemesis, which is very cool. Yeah, um, but yeah, it's like oh no, the egg is cracked, it is hatched. Oh no, what are we gonna do?

Davey:

we're gonna have a drop.

Hannah:

That's what we're gonna do and then it has all these things that like poke you in the back to make it feel like there's like a spiky little alien behind you and yeah, it's really good, it's like a little 4d kind of experience slash drop tower. Yeah, it's a great dark ride but yeah, very old and the restraints are quite restrictive as well they are.

Davey:

So I mean, that should have also set alarm bells ringing, and the fact that there was a chain above my head as well would have also set alarm bells ringing. But no, I trusted you that it was just a simulation, and I do apologise for calling you a bastard. You shouted so loud it was like you bastards, you bastards, but like you say, it was only 20 feet. It was just the shock of it. I just did not expect it. I did not expect there being a drop tower.

Hannah:

I really, really didn't. No, and it's funny because, like all in the queue line, I was wondering if it like alluded to the fact because it says about going down into the sub sectors and stuff like that, and I kept looking at them. I was like I wonder if he's gonna know whether he just thinks that the illusion of the lift section of the ride which doesn't move, it doesn't move, it doesn't move.

Hannah:

Yeah, there's this thing that looks like you're going down into the subsectors but you're actually just rumbling in a lift. Yeah, but yeah.

Davey:

That was funny it was funny.

Hannah:

It was funny, but I knew that as a drop tower, I knew it wasn't going to be that bad for you. If it was several feet in the floor, I'd be like, all right, fair enough, I'll let him know, yeah, and then you can decide whether you want to. But I knew that 20 feet wasn't going to be too much of it no, but it was, it was funny, it was, and yeah, and.

Davey:

But also, you know, I thought I'd know you by now. You had this like mischievous look in your face the whole time and I should have clocked it and I didn't. I did not. Yeah, that's yeah, bless, yeah. But um, interesting because 13 has got a drop in it.

Hannah:

Yeah, how do you feel about that?

Davey:

I like that because again, it's a weird one, because that's only a lap bar.

Hannah:

Yes.

Davey:

And it's a drop Now. I like the drop in 13.

Hannah:

So the drop in 13 is actually longer than the drop in Subterra.

Davey:

Oh yeah, I know it is yeah.

Hannah:

Three stories.

Davey:

Yeah. Whereas I think Sub, yeah, I think subterra, you could argue, is one yeah, yeah, I enjoy, I enjoy 13, but then I know it's there now. Yeah, so I like spoiler, I know, but then I but like I like the anticipation of that one and like you know, I do like 13 it's an incredible ride.

Hannah:

Uh, just the theming of being lost in a forest. I didn't really get theming until, like I went recently, like before we went, when I went with my husband and I was like, oh, I actually get it now, like we're trying to run through, we're trying to get away from something in the forest, because that's why you can't see a lot of the track.

Hannah:

Anyway, you can't film the track because there's no way around it, because it is so deep in the forest that you can't there's no way to actually, which is uh for enthusiasts. It's quite difficult to make videos about because you can't physically film it. But but yeah, uh, it's a, it's an amazing ride with an amazing little backstory to it. But yeah, I think that's the reason I go on roller coasters.

Hannah:

Just going back to the actual question, yeah, yeah it's just I love the story and I love the theming behind something and I think that's why I'm not as keen on galactica slash air at alton towers, because it doesn't have a lot of theming. And that was because they were trying to. They were trying to get the vr side of it in.

Davey:

I still can't get my head around that and it didn't really work.

Hannah:

Um, they took it out pretty quickly. I think it was only in there for about a couple of years, um, and then they took it out. So that's why it doesn't have a lot of theming, and I think of all the coasters, because I've just retracted nemesis nemesis reborn, actually, in that same section, I think galactica might be the next one to be either revamped or repurposed.

Davey:

It does look as though it's one of those ones where they've kind of let it go to a certain point and maybe they're going to relaunch it with something.

Hannah:

Yeah, they've let it go quite a lot. Now it's. I think it will be the next one to be either revamped or potentially got rid of.

Davey:

Almost like as an Avatar type thing.

Hannah:

They just need to fit it with the theme of the area though, because it's all very nemesis-y like alien taking over they need to kind of find a way of maybe a ship to get away from the nemesis alien. Potentially, yeah, a good shout, but because the roller coaster itself is supposed to be the alien and they're they're trendial like little tendrils, tendrils little veiny bits coming out.

Hannah:

So that's kind of what the roller coaster is built on, but maybe Galactica could be like an escape from it, or maybe they just need to get rid of it and put in a new coaster, a little launchy, launchy, lsm jobby.

Davey:

I like them yeah.

Davey:

I know you do so do you ever have, or have you ever been afraid? Or and do you, do you get? Because one thing that I noticed as well this time around, especially with you and mitchell, is that both of you know where all the cameras are on the coasters. So, yeah, you do pull some pretty good faces and they are for show. They're not like genuine fear. You look at my face and I look like gromit, you know it's like. But then there's you and mitchell. I mean there was one way you both had your tongues out and you, kind of mitchell, had this kind of cross-eyed thing going on. And then there was another one, although we couldn't quite see it. I know that you said you both went deadpan yeah, that was.

Hannah:

That was such a shame. Some guy's arm was in the way. That's why you shouldn't also put arms up on a roller coaster yeah, we, uh, we just dumb deadpan. We sometimes like we'll challenge each other to do certain things, particularly on launch coasters, because that section is so quick that you can't always prepare for the camera. So, yeah, we like to pull funny faces. So have I ever been scared? Yes, Like yeah, like 100 percent, Sometimes the first coaster of the day.

Hannah:

I get quite nervous. I remember going to Thorpe Park perhaps a couple of years back, just after Covid, and I was thinking to myselfpe Park, perhaps a couple of years back, just after Covid, and I was thinking to myself, because you hadn't been on a roller coaster for so long because of Covid, like two years maybe had passed and I remember going on Thorpe the first time and I'm thinking, bloody hell, I'm actually quite nervous and it's silly.

Hannah:

I've been on this coaster so many times. I know this one particularly does give me headaches, the nerves of that, more like oh, I'm going to ruin the rest of my day, sort of thing, but um, but yeah, of course I'm scared, like uh, particularly a new coaster as well. If I'm not, taran again was probably a good example of this when we went on our honeymoon, is that. You know, I got on that coaster and I was like I don't, it looked intimidating and I was like, oh jesus, I'm really nervous. I know there's a launch on this and I know it's. It's probably one of the most powerful ones at the moment around in the world. And I was thinking to myself, oh my god, like, of course I get scared, like that's kind of the. The beauty of them that's what I like about them is that they do frighten me a little bit yeah, I mean yeah.

Davey:

The funny thing is like when we went to ontario's the other day, do you notice? Like we went around the coasters and yes, smiler was the last coaster of the day, by which point, I've been on every other coaster that was available I, I think Bar 13, I think, and maybe one other because the queues were so long.

Hannah:

Yeah, we had some ride closures, yeah, which was a bit of a shame it was a little bit of a shame.

Davey:

But then we got to Smiler last and, bearing in mind, I'd already been on quite a few of the thrill-seeking coasters that day, but as soon as I saw that vertical lift I was like, yeah, straight on, so that didn't.

Hannah:

I think it's because we also got it out of the way early on so you could just do it, say you'd done it and then that was it, like that's. I think that's we did the best thing and then it closed for the rest of the day.

Davey:

So that was good timing. Really Talking about is say for smiler. Take smiler, for example. Yeah, okay, smiler is 14 inversions. It's the most inversions in the world. It's got a little bit of a history that there has been quite a serious accident on there. Um, it's got this reputation of being quite a scary coaster.

Hannah:

Okay, one other thing about smiler is the annoying all the way through.

Davey:

Okay, so you could argue that Smiler is probably the most thrill-seeking ride there is at Alton Towers currently, Arguably.

Hannah:

Arguably, but I think I would agree with you. Yeah, in terms of intimidation and the amount of inversions, yeah.

Davey:

Okay, so go to Alton T, the park opens and we'll come on to queue length in a little while anyway. But as we know, queues get very, very busy very quickly and sometimes you could be waiting an hour for a ride. So you get through the doors, you run down to Smiler. You're first on 10 o'clock in the morning, so you're on Smiler by 10 past 10 in an ideal world.

Davey:

Yes, in an ideal world. Yeah so fastest, most inversions, most thrill-seeking coaster, would you then find the other coasters in comparison to be a little bit meh after that, or so what I'm kind of saying is, would smiler be something that you would say build up to as the final ride or going first, and would it take any enjoyment out or help the enjoyment either way?

Hannah:

it's a really good question, but I think when you address certain coasters, coasters have different thrill-seeking elements yeah rita, you've got the launch is is the most potentially terrifying part of the ride. Wicker man, you've got kind of the backstory is quite terrifying. Um in itself being sacrificed to a wooden god, it's quite rickety as well, though it's rickety, it's very fast as well yeah nemesis.

Hannah:

You've kind of got the whole alien side of things, which can be quite scary, um, galactically. You've got the element that you're always constantly looking down at the ground. You, you know when people say, oh, don't look, don't look at the ground like, and then you've got oblivion. Of course has its own kind of elements to it and I think my gut, my gut feeling is no, I don't think it would make coasters feel meh, because coasters in their own right have. I think that's why a lot of theme parks have quite a lot of variety when it comes to coasters. The only park that I'd say doesn't have the most variety is blackpool pleasure beach, because a lot of their roller coasters are like grade listed and stuff like that, and they can't be removed.

Hannah:

Um, particularly like the big dipper and stuff like that, I think is grade listed and they've got a lot of old, rickety coasters there, so it feels like once you've been on one you've been on all of them. Um, they've got some other coasters there, some variety. They've got quite a few coasters actually in total, but generally speaking they're, you know, a lot of them are a bit samey, like they've got big dipper, grand national and they've got the nickelodeon street and they're all very, very similar. They're all wooden coasters, um, whereas alton towers, they're all different. If you think that reet is the only launch there, galactica is the only flying coaster. Nemesis is the only um suspended coaster you've got, you've got 13,. The only drop coaster, smiler. Yeah, okay, nemesis is similar to Smiler in the fact it's got inversions, but Smiler you're.

Davey:

It's a completely different ride. It's a different ride. It's a completely different ride.

Hannah:

You're on the track. You're not below it. Wicker man is the only wooden coaster there, so it's got variety and I think there are things that people seek as different things and I really don't think that would feel meh against the other ones. Same with Fantasia Land Like Taron is pretty terrifying, like that's probably the best coaster there, but some people would think Fly is more terrifying. It's really down to the individual, I think. I think Smiler is probably the most thrilling coaster there and I don't think many people would disagree with you also.

Davey:

the others have elements that are equally as scary for some people, for some riders, I mean, the drop is exhilarating, in Oblivion Exactly exactly.

Hannah:

There are a lot of people that look at Oblivion and think, no, I'm not going on that, but happily go on Smiler. It's just one of them, it's subjective, like most things in life. It's really subjective, yeah. So I don't think anyone would go on smaller and think, oh, the rest of this park is meh, you just go. The coasters all have their own unique thing that they're achieving. Yeah, for their own thing.

Davey:

So yeah, um, so actually I just mentioned queues. Let's ask that question are the queues worth it? Because some of them are incredibly long. Now, that's one thing I do like about modern day is that you can download apps yes and you can look to see how long the queue length is yeah, I suppose you didn't do that back in your day no, you just had to.

Davey:

No, you did have the, so we had the boards, and I remember the boards would be in the queue length as well, so it would be. If you're standing here, you're around the park yeah, yeah, that's it. But now you've got the app and you can kind of look to see. But if you take, say, on tower I mentioned Alton Towers because it's you know where we have just been- fresh in your mind.

Davey:

I think we we are going to be doing. We kind of not mentioned Disney too much, and the reason being is we want to do a separate episode on Disney theme parks because we want to invite my sister or my sister-in-law, hillary.

Hannah:

Disney, in my experience, is not what I would class as the same type of theme park.

Davey:

No, it's a different.

Hannah:

They are their own category, in my honest opinion. They don't have the thrill rides. They have more of the theming side, because of course they've got everything at their disposal to theme against.

Davey:

They don't have to recreate anything.

Hannah:

They don't have to create a story or back line, because everyone already knows it, because they've watched the films and they've watched this and they've done that. It's a different ballgame.

Davey:

So we're going to talk about Disney in another episode with my sister-in-law, hillary, who worked at Disney Parks. Yes, so, yeah, we need an expert in to talk about. Disney, we do so that's what we're going to wait for her for that one. So yeah, so do you think the queues? Are they worth it?

Hannah:

I mean as an enthusiast, yes, but I will caveat with this is that I tend to go non-peak times, so I don't tend to face many queues. And something that shocked myself and my husband this time ago in Alton Towers is that the queue lines were longer than we thought they were going to be, and that is just because we're getting so close to summer. Now People are more willing to take the kids out of school at the end of the year than they are at the start. We tend to go in May, april.

Davey:

It's going to be May, yeah.

Hannah:

March, April, May, whenever they open, sort of within that time. We tend to go then and the queues are non-existent, because it's cold and people don't want to be on them, which is great for us, and we don't have children, so we don't have to worry about taking kids out of school or anything. It's literally just us two. So while I think the queues are worth the rides because I've either been on the ride before and happy to queue for it we do tend to go off peak pick your time.

Davey:

Yeah, pick your time, if you can pick your time to go yeah, there are a lot of um. We did notice the other day because the queue, the queue lengths were a little bit longer than what we were expecting, but then when they weren't obscene the tuesday was better yeah, the tuesday. They weren't obscene, but there were quite a few school trips, weren't there? I think, getting towards the end of the school year, that was when, you know, a lot of school trips were going.

Davey:

So yeah but it wasn't. It wasn't horrendous, I think the most we queued up was what? 40, 45 minutes for a ride yeah it wasn't. That, wasn't that I mean, even because, mitch, I did notice that mitchell was timing us as well yeah, he likes to. Yeah, just see how long we were there. And we did notice that I think the app said one particular ride we should be queuing for 45 minutes, but we actually threw it in like 32, 33.

Hannah:

They tend to go over just so they don't get in trouble.

Davey:

I mean, I did notice that Smiler at one point. There was 80 minutes.

Hannah:

Yeah, at some point during the day.

Davey:

But we got on that pretty quick.

Hannah:

I think the longest we we probably waited for was maybe 13 just because of the closure?

Davey:

yeah, because a lot of people then wanted to go on it. I think the longest we waited, maybe was an hour yeah we waited quite a while for galactica.

Hannah:

Actually that time because nemesis had closed, so everyone jumped into the that was true, yeah yeah, we didn't. We got pretty lucky we did.

Davey:

Yeah, we timed, timed it quite well, so if you could design your perfect roller coaster, so you've got Roller Coaster Tycoon in front of you. Okay, on the PlayStation.

Hannah:

Planet Coaster, yeah, planet.

Davey:

Coaster Right Most perfect ride. What would it look like Now? You've talked about all these different types. We've talked about inversions, we've talked about restraints. We inversions, we've talked about restraints, we've talked about suspensions all of that. You tell me now what would be all the elements that would make up your perfect?

Hannah:

roller coaster would definitely have a launch it. That is just the obvious. I'm a huge fan of a loop and I'm a huge fan of a corkscrew. There's something called a heartline roll and a barrel roll. They're all pretty much the same thing. Um just means that you go sort of round. Most people know what a corkscrew is. But heartline is your heart, is the center of gravity. If you think about how the roller coaster turns through a corkscrew, that's called a heartline roll. And then you've got a barrel roll, which is several in a row, um, similar to colossus at thought park. So it definitely have some sort of inversion element to it. I wouldn wouldn't go as crazy as Smiler.

Davey:

That is intense. 14 is a lot.

Hannah:

Yeah, 14 is a lot, I think, in my opinion probably too much.

Davey:

Yeah.

Hannah:

Some people do get sick and I would like to keep the nausea down. Definitely a modern lap bar restraint that cuts on the thighs so your head is completely free and mobile, because that's my comfiest restraint. But yeah, I love airtime rather than hang time. I much prefer airtime, so some airtime hills love that side of things. I really like banked turns as well, so that's when the track is not at a complete flat angle it can be tilted left or right. That's like banked turns. I also really love a winged coaster and there is a launched winged coaster in the UK which is Mandrell's Mayhem at Chessington, which is one of my probably up there in one of my favourite rides. But it's quite slow so I would speed that up. Something I haven't spoken about on either of these episodes part one or part two is a boomerang coaster, which is where a coaster does not complete a full circuit.

Davey:

So Manta's.

Hannah:

Mayhem, for example, launches you backwards up a hill where it then stops, and then it falls down the hill and launches you backwards up a hill where it then stops and then it falls down the hill and launches you again through the station, has a little twist, goes up kind of a banked thing around.

Hannah:

I think it's Tiger, Rock and Jumanji, because it's Jumanji World oh right, okay, yeah, yeah, and then it comes back down backwards and then relaunches you back over the twist and then round the park again. So I do really like boomerang coast and I think they're really well. Uh, I think they're really well made and really well thought out. Any coast that has a track change in it halfway through is pretty cool. Um, I'd really love to go to park asterix. There's one there that I can't pronounce, but it's um, it has a track change within it as well. So, yeah, just something that's really exciting, has the most amazing theming some sort of spooky. I love spooky theming. Vampire is fantastic. At Chessington for spooky theming, there's an animatronic vampire like playing the organ.

Davey:

Oh, ok, yeah.

Hannah:

Yeah, and he's just constantly playing the piano. He's been there for years, ever since I can remember, from when I went as a child, and he's still there now. So they've just re-put the chandeliers in and all the spooky music in. There is very cool. So, yeah, I think something that had a spooky theme a winged launch coaster with inversions, loops, yeah huge fan Excellent, yeah, excellent.

Davey:

I could go on, you could go on. I Huge fan Excellent, yeah, excellent, I could go on, you could go on. I think, because we are kind of coming to I think probably we should start thinking about ending the episode, but it would be wrong of me for not to just. I think I'm just going to hand over to you now for the next few minutes, or next couple of minutes because of all this different research that you've done, or next couple of minutes because of all this different research that you've done, and you've done some really decent work here. Hannah, talking about the first, the oldest, the tallest.

Hannah:

Yeah, I think it's stats time. It's stats time isn't it?

Davey:

I think it's stats roller coaster. Stats time with Hannah.

Hannah:

And then I think we should end on, maybe, how you experienced parks in your youth to now. Yes, but I'll go through some facts first. So the first, the world's oldest kind of modern roller coaster uh, descended from the russian mountains, built in the ice, apparently in the 17th century, so it was in russia, uh, in st petersburg was the first ever what they class as the modern roller coaster, which is very cool. The oldest, what century did you say 17th? 17th century?

Hannah:

Yeah incredible right. The oldest current standing roller coaster in the world is at Luna Park, which is in Australia, in Melbourne. It's the world's oldest continually operating roller coaster. It was built in 1912, and it's a scenic railway. So I mentioned in part one. The scenic railway is a type of roller coaster. It's actually also at Great Yarmouth, pleasure Beach I think the oldest one in the UK. I have actually written it down. Oh God, I'm good. Scenic railway is the oldest roller coaster in the UK, which is at Dreamland in Margate, and it opened in 1920. So it only opened eight years after the oldest roller coaster in the world, which is incredible, tallest coaster in the world we've already mentioned quite a few times as king de car six bags no uh, for anyone that wants to know, it's 139 meters tall and it goes from zero to 128 miles per hour in a jaw dropping 3.5 seconds.

Hannah:

Um, the tallest roller coaster in the UK for our UK listeners is Hyperia. It's 72 metres tall. It replaced the big one at Blackpool Pleasure Beach. Now just a caveat to this Blackpool Pleasure Beach measures the tallest coaster by sea level. No other roller coaster in the UK Cheating Cheeky no other roller coaster in the UK or the world measures from sea level. But because I guess they're on the beach, they wanted to crank their stats up. So it's actually not as tall as it depicts itself to be, which is annoying. It says that it's only one foot shorter than Hyperia. It's not. It's several feet shorter, I believe, or several meters, I can't.

Davey:

Meters and feet are lost on me. I know several meters. I can't my meters and feet are lost on me.

Hannah:

I know imperial metric, yeah, um, just anyone that's been on stealth at thought park, because blackpool's quite a way to go, unless you're actually based in blackpool. But stealth is 62 meters and hyperia 72, so it's a good 10 meters. I know you've been on stealth. Speaking of stealth, stealth actually holds the record as the fastest accelerating roller coaster in the world. It goes to 0 to 80 in 1.8 seconds. The fastest roller coaster, however, in the world is a formula. Rossa is, uh, it's a launched coaster in ferrari world abadabi. It goes, uh, I've only got it in kilometers per hour, but it's 240 kilometers per hour. The fastest roller coaster in the uk the big one still holds that record at 137 kilometers per hour.

Hannah:

Roller coaster with the most inversions we've spoken about quite a lot is Smiler, with 14 inversions. For any Easter eggs anyone that's really, really clued up on their Smiler knowledge. There is actually 14 security cameras around the outside gate of the ride to represent the 14 inversions. Are there really Fun little fact there? Also, there's an element that's very similar to a cobra roll within the roller coaster. So if you think about how, when a cobra is about to strike, they actually have that element in there, but they've adapted it slightly and called it the Staffordshire Knot, because that is the county that the park lies in. Just a fun fact. Actually, did you call it?

Davey:

the pretzel.

Hannah:

No, cobra, pretzel loop is a thing as well. It's kind of very similar. There's another element of a coaster that's named after I believe. It's like a World War I jet fighter. I can never pronounce it M&M, m&m, m&m.

Hannah:

Yeah, and that's named after a fighter jet move yeah, fun fact there for you. Move, um, yeah, fun fact there for you. Well, and my last fact, before I go into how many coasters there are around the world the longest roller coaster in the world is the steel dragon, uh, which is uh. 2000 in japan, ranked as the longest roller coaster in the world. Uh is 8133 feet long.

Hannah:

Wow, it's a long coaster, that's a long coaster unfortunately I didn't research the gen, the the time it takes you to get around that, but I imagine quite a lot.

Davey:

Yeah.

Hannah:

So the continent with the most roller coasters at the moment is Asia. Asia takes the top mark with 5,416 roller coasters. That's not unique roller coasters. Some roller coasters are copy and pasted around the world. For example, nemesis Inferno at Thorpe Park is copy and pasted around the world. For example, um nemesis inferno at thought park is copy and pasted at fantasia land and they call that black mamba there. But it's pretty much the same coaster. Yeah, b&m, it's just copy and pasted. So that's uh, this isn't unique coasters, this is coasters in total. Total. Europe comes out second with 4853 coasters, north amer America taking the third slot at 4,344. Just to get an idea, africa, australia, south America all have coasters, but they're all under 600.

Davey:

Wow, it's quite amazing. Quite a difference, quite a difference, quite a difference.

Hannah:

So the sum of the amount of roller coasters in the entire world is 15,449 coasters, but 13,100 of them are actually unique.

Davey:

So there's about 2,000 coasters that are copy and paste. Yeah, is that maths? Yeah, that's maths. I'm not very good at maths.

Hannah:

Yeah, I'd say 2,300 roller coasters that are copy and pasted.

Davey:

Excellent.

Hannah:

There you go, Fun facts yeah fun facts with Hannah. So let's end on.

Davey:

We should have had a little jingle for that as well.

Hannah:

A little jingle. Fun facts with Hannah. Yeah, so let's talk, let's sort of end, on how roller coaster parks, roller coasters themselves, differ from when you were younger to now, from your latest trip.

Davey:

Yeah, I'll be honest, I don't think they really do differ that much no smoothness oh, oh, I mean the actual ride itself. Yeah, the ride is. Oh yeah, definitely so. I mean, the restraints have changed, I think for the better, oh, for the better. I think it's weird.

Davey:

I think the stakes have got higher but safer at the same time yeah, okay, I think you know I like that yeah, I think the the the thrill of the ride is probably a little bit more intense, um, because I mean you think of the corkscrew. So corkscrew we used to go to on towers is one the first coaster that they had on towers. I say that like that because I'm not sure possibly, I don't know yeah, um. Yeah, I mean, I used to love the corkscrew and the black hole was another one on towers that used to go on, yeah, um the corkscrew they've immortalized by using it as their entrance they have.

Davey:

Yeah, um, but so when you actually look at the yeah whether because the track is outside alton towers as you work, walk in, you look at that inversion on that and then you go and look at smilers inversion and or say even potentially nemesis's inversions, completely different do you ever remember thinking call.

Hannah:

This is a rough ride because I've seen the footage of both the black hole yeah and because they uncovered it yeah so I've seen the footage of both and it looks it looks rough as heck yeah, yeah, I would say both the courts, yeah black.

Davey:

I mean, I can remember the black hole being particularly uncomfortable yeah, okay yeah. So I would say yeah, I would say the safety's definitely got a lot smoother. Yeah, definitely got a lot smoother.

Hannah:

What about, like baggage? Like how you put your baggage away on a ride, like how, when you're queuing, and then, before you're about to get on the ride, like, how does that work?

Davey:

We've always like on tires we've chucked it the other side. It's always been like that In a cage or just on the platform In a cage. It was in a cage, okay, so that hasn't really changed that much then. No.

Hannah:

I guess, when it works, it works yeah.

Davey:

But I mean even the queue lengths. It all seems very similar. I mean, the introduction of the apps has helped with the queue lengths.

Hannah:

No-transcript yeah so virtual queuing is. You book a slot within the queue line and then you have like 30 minutes or 15 minutes to get to the queue line yeah and then you get in with a well, what we have now as a qr code. Now there may have been something similar and you had like maybe an actual special card or something at some point.

Davey:

I can't remember, because it used to be, because again it was more money than what you'd have to pay.

Hannah:

I just kind of just used to, and so is fast track, and fast track, I think, is only good when you know you're going on a particularly busy day. Some people get fast track for staying at the park. Some people get fast track because they want to and they don't want to wait in the queue.

Davey:

I think it's very expensive.

Hannah:

It is very expensive. People get fast track if they're disabled or don't have the ability to stand in a queue very long. Not all disabilities are obviously physical ones as well. So I would just say to anyone going, be mindful that the people taking fast track are not just those that can afford it, but it could be people that have hidden disabilities.

Davey:

What I will say is, if anybody's neurodivergent is, just be wary of Smiler and that sound. Yeah, absolutely that is just, I mean, even me. I find that intense, really, really intense. I mean, you have those earplugs, don't you, which are very good.

Hannah:

Yes.

Davey:

You have those earplugs which?

Hannah:

kind of help you.

Davey:

But that, yeah, it's very overwhelming and the noise of the coasters can be very overwhelming.

Hannah:

Yeah, what about, like security getting into the park? You got your bag set oh, I get searched everywhere no, but did you when you were younger? Did they think?

Davey:

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, actually, when I went on school trips no, not so much, you just used to kind of go I don't remember really being searched as a child not as a child, but as a teenager going at thought park they actually have metal detectors today yeah, but I mean, yeah, I don't know airport style I don't know what it is about me. Everywhere I bloody go, I get searched. I just yeah. They just pull me out of the queue all the time what about the cost of food and accessibility?

Davey:

never really used to eat. Again. I'm sorry, I'm probably the wrong part because, again, I used to take packed lunches and I didn't used to spend. So I would because my, when I used to go to roller coasters it would be I'd pay for the admission. Um, go on a school trip and everything I wouldn't even spend. I wouldn't spend any other money in the parks. I couldn't afford to. I didn't have any money.

Hannah:

So how did you get there? I mean, you spoke about school trips, so you probably went by coach. But how did you get there if you weren't in a school trip? Did you ever go?

Davey:

uh, no, no, I only ever went on school trips. Um, so you go from cooks. I used to live. I used to live in sleaford, uh, so again, it wasn't. Didn't go that many times.

Hannah:

Like a couple of times there's not a massive amount of infrastructure in the uk to get to parks. That's one of the things that we fail at, I think, as a country in germany. Um, they have specific trains, specific coaches that go to the parks but, I think in the uk we don't have that as much no, you can't get to like I think you probably can in stains thought park.

Hannah:

You might be able to get from the train station to a shuttle potentially, but it's not as easily, or well, uh, well advertised, I'd say that you can actually do that. It's quite a struggle. Yeah, maybe you're the wrong person to talk about this. I probably am to talk about an enthusiast that.

Davey:

Yeah someone's been to a lot more. Yeah, yeah, those many, many years, many years ago yeah, I just interested to know what yeah, it's and difference was but no, I think there is a lot of. It is the same, but it is different as well. I know that's a bit of a cop out of saying it, but yeah, yeah, um, so I think we should end on where you go next. Where's your next? Where is your next rollercoaster journey?

Hannah:

I'm actually going to Fantasy Island, which is one of the closest ones to us that I've never been to, which is crazy. It's actually Lincoln, pretty much like it's. It's just like north of this county. Sorry that where.

Davey:

Lincoln. Skegnessy area oh really when. Lincoln, skegnessy area. Oh really, yeah, okay.

Hannah:

I'm pretty looking forward to it.

Davey:

Oh really.

Hannah:

Yeah, it's got a few coasters Skegness.

Davey:

Sorry anybody from Skegness, but I did used to live in that area.

Hannah:

For anyone that does coaster credits, which is a credit per coaster that you've been on, people categorise them different. So, for example, nemesis Reborn, do you class as an extra credit or do you count it as one? I don't count it as an extra credit, but I'm actually at 75 roller coasters that I've been on in my life so far is that unique roller coasters? Unique is tricky, but yes, yeah, other than the fact that Nemesis is Black Mamba yeah, yeah, yeah, but I've been on both of them.

Hannah:

So they're two credits to me, because they're are two different rides. Yeah, yeah, 75 excellent yeah so hoping to hit 100, potentially at the end of this year, but definitely next year.

Davey:

So that'll be quite a milestone for me, so excited and if you did want to keep up with hannah's adventures on her roller coaster journey with mitchell, because they do do some pretty good videos on there. I must admit they are quite good as a big and small adventures big and small adventures, yeah, we're on instagram.

Hannah:

Yeah, well it's a cute little account that I uh, I plug probably too much time into, but it's just something I enjoy doing, um, and you know I'll carry on until I stop enjoying doing it.

Davey:

So, yeah, I, I enjoy I know this isn't a roller coaster video, but my favorite reel on there that you do is that. Let's skip to the good part video.

Hannah:

Yes.

Davey:

I like that, I really like that. It's really good.

Hannah:

Got a few like that. So yeah, I've got some more coming up. Actually, I created another one the other day.

Davey:

Excellent.

Hannah:

Yeah, I guess that's the end of part two of roller coasters.

Davey:

I'm sorry, To be honest we could have have done.

Hannah:

I can talk about this for a long time, but, um, join us again for next episode over there every thursday. We are also on socials. We are trying to build it up, but I'm a bit rubbish at keeping on top of it.

Davey:

But, um, because I'm too busy doing the roller coaster, I was going to say that in a sarcastic way, but I thought I wouldn't yeah, no, it's fine.

Hannah:

Um, yeah, so we are on socials. That's where you'll get the latest news. If we can't put out an episode on the Thursday or something like that is where you'll hear most of our news. But yeah, every Thursday, come and join us. Bye-bye, outro Music.